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[Ann Reardon] YouTube BANNED my Debunking Video but leaves DEADLY how-to vids online, 34 dead! YouTube Drama
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What's really cool is that I watched her debunking video when it hit reddit, and started getting videos in my feed about using microwave transformers to do fractal woodburning...
But to be fair I didn't see any dislikes on them though so it's probably safe.
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u/Gockel Jul 01 '22
But to be fair I didn't see any dislikes on them though so it's probably safe.
very important point.
if they don't want to actively moderate bad advice/dangerous videos, the community could do it for them in a way. but they turned that off, too. so godspeed, DIY video fans.
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u/MitsyEyedMourning Jul 01 '22
Also remember, added to the removal of thumbs down count is the ability to delete negative comments leaving viewers with a genuinely deadly video to seem awesome, neato and replicable.
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u/Amish_guy_with_WiFi Jul 01 '22
Yep, all sorts of fucked up. And their reasoning for removing the dislike count is such BS. They say it's to prevent cyberbulling or whatever, but they literally still show the dislike count to content creators.
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u/Justtryme90 Jul 01 '22
It's all a marketing ploy, people click more on positively reviewed content. Kinda disgusting that they remove critical content and leave outright dangerous stuff up. People should just go around throwing copyright claims on all dangerous content
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u/SaucyWiggles Jul 01 '22
A big motivator for Facebook being so shit as revealed by the Facebook papers is actually that people engage far more readily and frequently with "negative" content, so the angry reaction face was weighted more highly by their algorithms.
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u/FuzzyBacon Jul 01 '22
Not just more heavily, twenty times more heavily than other 'interactions'.
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u/Valiant4Funk Jul 01 '22
Holy SHIT
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u/FuzzyBacon Jul 01 '22
They set its weight down to zero a few years back but the damage was done. Facebook is a hate filled cesspool because it drove user engagement.
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u/erratikBandit Jul 01 '22
It was because the advertisers were getting ratio'ed. The fat cats don't like it when their annual Call of Duty reveal trailer gets 4 million dislikes.
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u/emdave Jul 01 '22
People should just go around throwing copyright claims on all dangerous content
Presumably it was the wood burning video creators that falsely flagged the debunking video though?
Surely what is really needed, is a competent review process from YouTube, but that would cost money, hence why we don't have it.
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u/Justtryme90 Jul 01 '22
I presume it was yeah, the only appropriate reply is to just flag all of their dangerous content
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u/DamnImAwesome Jul 01 '22
Which is crazy to me. YouTube doesn’t pay for its content. Everyone uploads everything to their platform for free. And they can’t be bothered to take care of the creators who make their platform great.
Twitch is the same way. Phantom bans with minimal explanation
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u/Zathoth Jul 01 '22
We all know that the corporations started crying about how having a mass-downvoted video was hurting sales and that's why youtube did it.
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u/Falcrist Jul 01 '22
Yuuuuup.
Corporate channels want to seem like they love feedback, but only the good kind.
They want to eat their cake and have it too, and youtube is trying to make it happen.
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u/Darkwing_duck42 Jul 01 '22
Lmao... Reminds me of surveys at work.. just spin the "results" anyway they want it's pretty gross
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u/Tumble85 Jul 01 '22
Man, the other day I was thinking back about how different the internet was 20 or so years ago. Remember actually exploring the internet, going to all sorts of different websites and forums that were all created and maintained and moderated by different people? I was try to think how many different websites I visited back then versus now but it's not even worth trying to calculate because of how much the internet has changed.
It's crazy now there are many websites and apps out there that have literal centuries worth of content under their control. Like how many years of content get uploaded every single day to YouTube and Twitch, how many books worth of words and pictures to Facebook and Wikipedia.
It's like a completely different river formed, going from a hundred miles across and twenty feet deep to twenty feet across but a thousand miles deep.
On one hand I do enjoy the endless content but I do not like how much control corporations have over me now. I wish more large companies would stay private and keep their mission "make money by running a good company that makes a good product". People here on Reddit would probably be shocked how many multi-million dollar private companies like that there are out there because of how ruthless and quick to sell out the tech industry is.
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u/BeerDrinker_69 Jul 01 '22
"THE TRAILER FOR OUR SHITTY MOVIE REBOOT HAS OVER A MILLION THUMBS DOWN, MAKE IT STOP!!"
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u/jackiechiles_esquire Jul 01 '22
OMG I had no idea about any of this until I went and looked just now. This is shockingly fucked up. What kind of insane dumbasses are running Alphabet now?!?
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u/GenericThomas Jul 01 '22
YouTube's worst mistake imo.....well that and the ad-pocalypse
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u/welcome-in_jaaAAMmm Jul 01 '22
Didn't Tumblr get neutered because of something that passed which was supposed to hold them accountable for any potentially illegal content? I feel like it was phrased at the time to prevent human trafficking or something. But why isn't YouTube held to a similar level of accountability by keeping up these videos of fractal wood burning? Plus they're removing the video/s warning people.
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u/LordFauntloroy Jul 01 '22
I think that only applies to porn. Iirc they tightened the liability rules for displaying pictures and videos released without the subject's consent in response to revenge porn sites.
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u/seabae336 Jul 01 '22
No, apple threatened to remove their app from the app store due to concerns about CP.
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u/retardedcatmonkey Jul 01 '22
Was it just CP or was it that you could access NSFW stuff without an account?
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u/seabae336 Jul 01 '22
Well, it was more underage people posting nudes of themselves and shit, and credit card companies threatened Apple and so Apple threatened tumblr.
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u/BarryTGash Jul 01 '22
And there is the rub: when credit card companies make a fuss, payment gateways sit up and actually pay attention. No other reason.
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u/SgvSth Jul 01 '22
"Want To Know Why Tumblr Is Cracking Down On Sex? Look To FOSTA/SESTA" This explains that the issue is different than described here.
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u/saketaco Jul 01 '22 •
I do wood turning as a hobby, and I am a member of the American Association of Woodturners (AAW). The AAW has denounced fractal woodburning as dangerous after a series of fatal accidents.
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u/Bubbaluke Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22
I've been an industrial electrician for almost 10 years, wired up 13,800 volt motors with wires as thick as a pool noodle, and I would not fuck with a microwave transformer at home. It's not worth it.
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u/Whatachooch Jul 01 '22
Copy. Don't fuck my microwave.
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u/OkCutIt Jul 01 '22
Only if it's a transformer. Decepticons are fine.
You can trust me, I'm definitely not a Decepticon.
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u/Meverseyou Jul 01 '22
I'm a paramedic and recently had a call, an electrocution of 485 volts. Instant cardiac arrest. Luckily coworkers did CPR. Vfib, defibbed him. He survived, many aren't so lucky.
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u/cjsv7657 Jul 01 '22
I've done a lot of dangerous things for various jobs and projects. There are two things I'm actually scared of working with. High voltage and springs. They will both fuck you up quick with no remorse.
There are safe ways to work with both but people just don't take proper precautions and don't have the proper knowledge.
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u/moeburn Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22
Yeah the voltages it takes to set that stuff up are so large that any amount of current is going to make it to your heart, and it can make it across an air gap of half an inch. You don't even have to touch any exposed wires, just get close to them. Your sawblade isn't going to cut you just from getting close to it, let alone stop your heart.
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u/IWannaPorkMissPiggy Jul 01 '22
On top of the arcing, it doesn't have to be your physical body that gets too close for an arc to kill you either. It could arc to a tool, or a clamp, or the table you're using. It really can not be overstated how unpredictable and dangerous this process is.
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u/Assupoika Jul 01 '22
Welcome to the world of high voltage! Where everything is a conductor and your life ends before you know it from the tiniest mistake!
Let's try this at home kids!
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u/Mypopsecrets Jul 01 '22
I started watching this and about five minutes in went to find one of the dangerous tutorials just to see what the process was. Found a tutorial using a microwave transformer on a channel called Makeshift Frank. Three minutes into watching that video YouTube started erroring out, refreshed the page to find out the video was removed.
Never actively watched a video get removed, it was up since March, what a weird coincidence haha
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u/Thr8way Jul 01 '22
used to happen when people would stream live event, like UFC ppv. Stream buffers, page reloads, video and account are no longer available. Wait 10 min, and new account and stream are up.
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u/Ok_Skill_1195 Jul 01 '22
Doubt it was a coincidence. You saw Ann's video and decided to check out some videos to see how dangerous it is. I'm betting other in her fanbase looked them up to report them.
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u/IDDQD_IDKFA-com Jul 01 '22
Big Clive also did a great video on it before she did.
I started to get videos in my feed {most with very low views/subs} after watching it.
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u/Beard_o_Bees Jul 01 '22
Big Clive is the real deal. He likes to mess about with all kinds of weird and potentially dangerous things, but he's always, always safe about how he does things.
While i'm on the subject - I really like 'ElectroBOOM', and I get that Mehdi is a very skilled engineer, but his - 'getting shocked by doing something dumb' gag that he does on nearly every video - might be sending the wrong message to more impressionable minds, kind of trivializing the potential dangers of screwing around with electricity.
Or - maybe that's just me entering my old man 'get off my lawn' stage of life.
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u/ZestycloseBit7620 Jul 01 '22
The Act Man's videos and subsequent demonetization were all manually done. Even TeamYouTube got the involved, and they all stood by the decision to cut him out.
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u/CheapImpression1 Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 02 '22
UPDATE: The video has been restored, thought it appears that all of the comments from before the removal have been wiped.
Big Clive's video about how dangerous it is, is still up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBeSKL9zVro
Also I love how Ann does one video about making lemon desserts, then how to save cake fails, and then does a video about russian content farms.
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u/SarcasticOptimist Jul 01 '22
And another video on safety precautions, none of which are on the average Fractal Wood video.
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u/CheapImpression1 Jul 01 '22
That was a really well made video running through how to eliminate most of the dangers associated with it. I do wish he had earthed the basket though.
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u/e-wing Jul 01 '22
Lol his comment at the end about the narcissistic people who will criticize him and tell him they’ve done it and it’s perfectly safe...
To those people I say: Try not to scream too loudly when you’re dying, of course you won’t be able to, due to respiratory paralysis...lol.
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u/breakupbydefault Jul 01 '22
The Russian content farm video blew my mind when I first saw it. It took such an unexpected journalistic and dark turn. I always link that video when Ann Reardon is mentioned. Her videos can be relaxing, fun, but also very informative. My chocolate tempering game went up several levels after watching her explain it so clearly. Such a range. It's not your average baking channel. One of the best content creators out there.
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u/begentlewithme Jul 01 '22
It's a coin toss; Will today's video be increasing my experience points in the kitchen, or destroying my already fragile faith in humanity once more? How exciting!
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u/breakupbydefault Jul 01 '22
I feel like that's how Dave feels. "today will my wife feed me things that are delicious sweet creations? Or will it make me gag and scream while she laughs?"
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u/cartiercorneas Jul 01 '22
And the effort she puts in with all the graphics and stop motion? so cool
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u/IWannaPorkMissPiggy Jul 01 '22
Big Clive can speak with authority on topics like this because he fully understands the subject, whereas Ann takes available, factual info and condenses it into a video that the average person can understand while making it entertaining for a wider audience. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Clive was one of the resources that Ann uses while researching these videos.
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u/NotAzakanAtAll Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22
As an ex-electrical engineer, Big Clive is a treasure.
Not that you need to have been an electrical engineer to know that.
Also I wouldn't in my life do this burning this. It's insanely dangerous and not even in a cool way. If you die it's just smoke and you are dead. No real cool fire work or fancy light show, wouldn't get a 100 upvotes even.
Youtube should be ashamed.
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u/SillyBoy_6317 Jul 01 '22
Ann Reardon is a fucking boss. Go buy her cookbook
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u/AccountGotLocked69 Jul 01 '22
Is her book also good for professional chefs? I know she digs science, been wanting to get it as a present for a chef friend of mine
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u/SillyBoy_6317 Jul 01 '22
It's aimed at a more general audience, so I doubt there's anything really groundbreaking, but I don't know enough about professional chefs to really have an opinion.
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u/babylovesbaby Jul 01 '22
It probably won't teach a professional chef anything new in terms of techniques, but maybe some new recipes? It's all desserts/sweets.
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u/MouseTheOwlSlayer Jul 01 '22
I dunno. Cooking and baking are pretty different skills. If their friend doesn't do much baking, it might still be useful? But I also don't have her cookbook and am not a professional chef, so I can't say.
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u/BocuNoBravo Jul 01 '22
I have it, I can agree it won't teach a pro chef anything new but for me it was really helpful to learn some of the science behind my baking in the book as well as recipes.
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u/AbbyShapirosAreola Jul 01 '22
I am not a chef, but I consider myself a fairly advanced home cook, and worked for several years as a prep cook in a teaching kitchen.
I was surprised her book is actually fairly advanced. Probably not for a professional pastry chef, but it's not aimed at beginners either. A lot of the recipes are pretty fancy for something you would make at home.
For instance, it teaches you how to make those fancy desserts you see that's like a chocolate orb that blooms like a flower when you pour something hot on it. I always wanted to know how to make those. Turns out it's a pain in the ass as you have to make all the individual petals on sheets of acetate. But very pretty! Definitely recommend the book. I think anyone would be pleased with it.
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u/Jigsaw_isnt_a_puppet Jul 01 '22
I love watching Big Clive, he's good at reverse engineering and seeing how alcoholic drinks taste if you use a soda stream on them.
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u/MrSqueezles Jul 01 '22
From his video
it shows a mutilated hand and, well, the Karens would report the video if I put that up also I don't want it to be a scary video like that
I'm a Patreon of Ann Reardon and am glad she made the video the way she did, but it's full of graphic images and scary words. It just takes one report and one reviewer to see that segment out of context. I'm sure Ann has filed an appeal. YT could have a better process for popular sites like this.
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u/Ms_Macsa Jul 01 '22
YouTube showing again how incredibly bad their algorithm is.
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u/SquidCap0 Jul 01 '22
Oh, yes. Her videos were reported, algorithm took one look, found the word "death" and removed the whole thing.
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u/Ms_Macsa Jul 01 '22
Why was the video reported? I don't understand people...
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u/FC37 Jul 01 '22
Because she's calling out other creators. A small subset of subscribers will always develop a weird, parasocial attachment with the creator, and they'll take it upon themselves to defend them from criticism.
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u/DondeLaCervesa Jul 01 '22
Which is a fucking shame, because those creators should be well aware of how dangerous it is. I know two people who do fractal wood burning, one treats it like an X-ray technician where he has a physical barrier between him and the set up, and flips a switch from behind that barrier so he is nowhere near harm. The other didn't have any real safety practices and is now dead.
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u/ToeFondler Jul 01 '22
What a tease... Did he die from the fractal woodburning er nah?
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u/aint_we_just Jul 01 '22
It's possible that was the case but I'm skeptical since in her last video she basically accused YouTube of stealing creator content and putting in on their Facebook page where content creators get no credit. So timing wise it's sort of questionable.
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u/SquidCap0 Jul 01 '22 •
Crafts channels hate her with a passion. She also revealed that 5 minutes crafts is owned by Russians and is connected to their psy-ops, spreading revisionist history in their sister channels. I was one of those that tipped her about that story... This is the story i sent to her, and she released a video about it two weeks later. https://www.lawfareblog.com/biggest-social-media-operation-youve-never-heard-run-out-cyprus-russians Being on the Russian radar is weird. I've received death threats from Donbas, that was also connected to Russian psy-ops and Jessikka Aro's book about it...
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u/MithandirsGhost Jul 01 '22
Very interesting. Would like to meet for some tea and discuss this?
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u/SandysBurner Jul 01 '22
Hold the polonium, please.
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u/peterpanic32 Jul 01 '22
I’ll take extra polonium here, if it’s not bad for the bees and flowers, how can it be bad for me? Checkmate, libs.
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u/coehl Jul 01 '22
Let's find a place with a window view for him as well. Just as an extra courtesy.
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u/DefiantLemur Jul 01 '22
Russia is a strange country.
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u/jadrad Jul 01 '22
More of a fucked up mafia state run by a psychopathic dictator and his oligarch lieutenants than a country.
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u/wcg66 Jul 01 '22
That video she did on Russian backed craft channels was excellent investigative journalism. Such an excellent channel. YouTube is complicit in the propaganda on its platform but if it gets views and advertisers are happy, why care?
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u/SquidCap0 Jul 01 '22
No, youtube just doesn't care enough if the information is correct or not. Removals are not human made, they are based on algorithms and triggered by a number of reports. If you get 100 reports, you are going to have to fight the decision, at some point (if you are lucky) a human looks at it and makes the obvious decision. Bigger channels have a HUGE advantage, that is really the reason why i'm not that worried.. Ann will get enough publicity to get noticed. The smaller channels are really the ones that are being hurt the most as they can't really fight it.
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u/darsynia Jul 01 '22
To be fair, I found out about that from Rachel Maddow before her (and was delighted to see she'd posted a clip from the Maddow show in her explanation!). So at least she wasn't the only person making those connections.
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u/Weidz_ Jul 01 '22
She debunks videos that makes millions views, often ends up on the front page and are highly profitable to both Youtube and their publishers, some people don't like this.
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u/Ph0X Jul 01 '22
She debunks videos that makes millions views
To clarify, it's not just that they make millions of views, they're literally businesses whose whole strategy is to make hundreds of channels with thousands of clickbait channels trying to profit off copy pasted fake content.
She's literally killing their business by calling out their shit.
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u/darsynia Jul 01 '22
I mean, she's explaining in detail how those content farms do their work and I assume there's some kind of small dip every time one of them is posted. I assume the sites like Troom Troom and others send employees to her videos to report them because it's technically threatening the popularity of their fake videos and 'threatening their livelihood.'
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u/Bhargo Jul 01 '22
The fraud channels she exposes report every video she makes, and Youtube lets the fraud channels continue to exist and do this.
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u/arodynamicfalcn Jul 01 '22
I noticed a few people saying "un-alive" in videos recently, usually referring to suicide, but just realized that it probably came from algorithm loopholes
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u/TheChrono Jul 01 '22
It's not the algorithm at all. That's just a tool. They currently have an insanely stupid system that blocks content creators from actual resources within the company to resolve real issues.
Any real human could look at this for a few hours and come to a complete conclusion. But Google doesn't want to pay for that. This has NOTHING to do with algorithms. It has to due with distribution of resources within a company.
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u/notheusernameiwanted Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22 •
Besides the money side of it tech companies love using these algorithms to shift blame. They act like the algorithm is some force of nature that they can only try to mitigate. It's like if a restaurant had a horse as their waiter and it kept knocking over tables and shitting on the floor. Then when people complain the owner says "well you see that it's hard for the horse to navigate through the tables and horses just shit wherever they are. We're looking into moving the tables around a little bit and finding some system to catch the shit but everything we've seen so far is very expensive". They shift the conversation into that direction and never talk about why the fuck they're using a horse as a waiter.
They always try to obscure the fact that an algorithm is at the end of the day a human action. A human has to create the algorithm and the decisions humans make in building the algorithm create the results that the algorithm gives us. Algorithms and software are just tools that humans use and we don't give the people that use other tools the same kind of leeway. If a carpenter used nails that were too short when installing flooring and all the boards were coming up we don't just shrug and say "well I guess that's just the problem with these nails" we say " hey asshole use the right fucking nails".
Ultimately this is all just to hide the ball, because the truth is the algorithm is working exactly as intended for these companies. To go back to the the restaurant with the horses as waiters metaphor. This restaurant isn't actually making its money from providing a good dining experience. They make money from people who pay to watch a horse ruin someone's dining experience. Social media companies don't make money from users having a good experience. They make money by creating an environment that is as hospitable as possible to advertisers selling their users shit they don't need.
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u/svnpenn Jul 01 '22
Any real human could look at this for a few hours and come to a complete conclusion
anyone could watch literally one minute of the original video, and understand removing it is stupid.
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u/Crushnaut Jul 01 '22
I think the point is the couple hours could figure out that Anne is right and the other videos need to go too. They could solve the entire situation.
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u/suitedsevens Jul 01 '22
I didn't see the original video and was sitting here wondering what could be so dangerous about burning wood. And then I saw the microwaves, don't fuck with microwaves people.
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u/radioactive_caravan Jul 01 '22
It's the transformer from the microwave that allows you to slap an insane amount of voltage from the mains into two crocodile clips stuck in a piece of wood. If you touch this or brush up against it you are instantly dead as the voltage is 10 times the amount needed to kill a human. And because it's through a transformer your fuse board will not detect a short and a corpse could be left sizzling for a while also causing fires.
But hey it gives the wood a cool burn pattern I guess.
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u/SpurnDonor Jul 01 '22
But hey it gives the wood a cool burn pattern I guess.
For something that's unique every time I think the design is super underwhelming and not worth a fraction of the risk people who do this are taking.
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u/kcox1980 Jul 01 '22
I know taste is subjective but as a woodworker I've always hated this pattern. It looks super chintzy and corny. Like the woodworking equivalent of a Native American themed wolf sweater you see for sale in the "old people" catalogues.
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u/Rejusu Jul 01 '22
I feel like you could also replicate it with a laser engraver and software. Might not look as natural but would be a million times safer.
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u/neoclassical_bastard Jul 01 '22
Get a high res pic of patterns other people already did and vectorize it
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u/Twin_Brother_Me Jul 01 '22
People are taking apart microwaves and fucking with the business end of the transformers? Well that is one way to earn a Darwin Award...
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u/samw424 Jul 01 '22
Erm, excuse me but what the fuck?
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u/1d10 Jul 01 '22
It's an algorithm, her video said "this will kill you" the other videos said "this is fun".
Algorithm hunts for things about death, not fun things.
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u/justjoshingu Jul 01 '22
And the fractal people probably reported the hell out of her
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u/1d10 Jul 01 '22
Her video relies on her viewers being logical, the other videos rely on the viewers being ignorant, logic is harder to weponize.
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u/failparty Jul 01 '22
BRB making a video about how fun it is to overthrow fascism.
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u/wan2tri Jul 01 '22
I remember watching a video about how fascism is being normalized in YouTube itself (i.e. via multiple videos from multiple channels practically saying the same things over and over) and that it's a bleak portent of the future so there should be ways to combat that as an end-user.
Instead the video gets removed for "promoting fascism".
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u/iheartalpacas Jul 01 '22
BRB, making video about how fun it is to swing on a rope using your neck.
Edit, forgot to mention the fun!
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u/trend_rudely Jul 01 '22 •
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u/Naniwasopro Jul 01 '22
i hate this.
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u/NuclearCandy Jul 01 '22
I believe this is the "MLM hun copypasta" style of writing.
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u/Makaidi39 Jul 01 '22 •
My boomer eyes, what's going on here
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u/AnotherThomas Jul 01 '22
We've seen thousands of years of evolution of the written language, from carving into clay tablets, to the mass production afforded by the printing press, to now typing words on a keyboard and bouncing the signal off a satellite orbiting the planet to be received by someone else's computer half-way across the entire globe.
And now people are all like, "nah fuck that, bro, let's just go back to hieroglyphics."
That's what's going on. WHY it's going on isn't something I can answer, but that's WHAT is going on anyway.
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u/Formally-jsw Jul 01 '22
This is modern art. Put this is a museum for all to gaze in wonder and despair.
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u/arehilarious Jul 01 '22
Does this make us look bad? Yea? 😡 BAN 🔨
Does this make us money? Yea? 😇 💸 PROMOTE UP UP UP 🚀
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u/Rudahn Jul 01 '22
Yet another example of YouTube’s flaws. I’m sure Ann’s warnings no doubt saved lives, I have so much respect for her for standing up and talking about these problems, and for including the original video’s message into this one in an attempt to keep it visible at the risk of having another strike against her channel.
YouTube’s removal of the dislikes also doesn’t help this issue at all. There’s now no way to immediately tell if what a video is telling you is untrue, biased, dangerous, or otherwise unpopular, especially if creators turn off commenting.
(I also highly recommend Ann Reardon’s recipe book too as an aside! If you’re interested in baking in any way and want to support her I’d definitely suggest purchasing a copy.)
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u/AiladeC Jul 01 '22
Honestly, the fact that she uploaded again the important bit and said that saving lives was more important than her channel is what makes her so great.
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u/welcome-in_jaaAAMmm Jul 01 '22
YouTube’s removal of the dislikes also doesn’t help this issue at all. There’s now no way to immediately tell if what a video is telling you is untrue, biased, dangerous, or otherwise unpopular, especially if creators turn off commenting.
I could only hope that some sort of prominent legal mind might be able to make a proper association between dislike numbers and the fallibility of the content which then perhaps could establish a precedent that at least maybe certain videos trying to portray particular medical advice could be removed after a threshold. Or something, it doesn't seem easy when someone's trying to fight against Alphabet/Google.
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u/Scout1Treia Jul 01 '22
I could only hope that some sort of prominent legal mind might be able to make a proper association between dislike numbers and the fallibility of the content which then perhaps could establish a precedent that at least maybe certain videos trying to portray particular medical advice could be removed after a threshold. Or something, it doesn't seem easy when someone's trying to fight against Alphabet/Google.
No sane person is going to base video removals around dislikes.
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u/IrregularHumanBeing Jul 01 '22
I can tell you, she definitely prevented myself from ever attempting it.
Her pointed statement at electricians hit me hard, because I am one.
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u/ToeFondler Jul 01 '22
Every electrician should understand the dangers from it on their own otherwise i wouldnt trust them as an electrician.
Edit: I was an electrician btw
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u/Theaustraliandev Jul 01 '22
Absolutely fucken ridiculous. YouTube will happily shovel fake hack videos into the faces the children (who can and have burnt / injured / killed themselves) mimicking what's shown. But when Anne outlines the issues to YouTube it's always the same song and dance of "we've investigated the claims and these videos don't contain anything against our terms of service"
YouTube consistently fobs off their responsibilities and pushes this shit content to everyone.
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u/JediGuyB Jul 01 '22
It legit pisses me off.
If it was all safe, fine, do your fake stupid crafts. But the fractal wood? That "make your own USB charger" one? The others I've seen that have to do with liquid metal or electrical parts? The ones that kids might try and damage their parents expensive things, if not themselves? Screw those people with a 50 foot poll and leave them in the sun to dry.
Heck, there's a next video, how to make skewered dried human.
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u/TrueLink00 Jul 01 '22
A major chunk of the banned video talked about how YouTube takes people’s videos and posts them to Facebook, and then keeps all the monetization from there.
I suspect that’s the real reason her video was banned.
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u/breakupbydefault Jul 01 '22
That's a very reasonable suspicion. It pisses me off that they did it under the guise of "encouraging or promoting dangerous activities" as the reason. That's such a personal insult to Ann.
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u/CordeliaGrace Jul 01 '22
Ooh, yeah! I forgot about that part. I definitely wouldn’t doubt that was the actual reason.
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u/SportsPhotoGirl Jul 01 '22
Wow, I had no idea. I’d seen some stuff of people making those. I’d never personally wanted to do it myself, but I can understand how others may want to try it out, the end result does look pretty cool, but I had no idea how it worked or how dangerous it was. I also didn’t know how a microwave worked, so that’s pretty neat to have learned too. This video and any others like it explaining the actual science behind the process should be available for everyone to learn the dangers of the process.
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u/CheapImpression1 Jul 01 '22
Big Clive provides an alternative way to do it that is a bit safer. Fair warning, he has a very dry sense of humor.
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u/GingerSnapBiscuit Jul 01 '22
"Try not to scream when you're dying. Oh wait, you won't be able to anyway because of respiratory paralysis. Lol."
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u/SayNoToStim Jul 01 '22
Ann Reardon is like the most wholesome person on YouTube, wtf. The only thing she ever does wrong is make her poor husband eat all that crap.
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u/Trevicarus Jul 01 '22
I came here to post this. Outrageous that this is happening. She posted a video that literally saved peoples' lives and YouTube has removed the exact video for being unsafe...
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u/migueeel Jul 01 '22
Time to mass report the other videos for promoting highly dangerous activities?
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u/No-Spoilers Jul 01 '22
My thought exactly. Fuck youtube. I'm more than willing to bet someone with a fractal wood burning how to video reported the video
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u/AnOnlineHandle Jul 01 '22
There's a major Minecraft video creator MumboJumbo, who went strong for like 10 years since he was a teenager making regular weekly Minecraft videos (it seems he's just taken a break for the first time in his life). He's been creating about 3 videos a week for like 10 years, and getting hundreds of thousands to millions of views on each one.
He used to have this little snippet of music in his intros, some trumpets playing, which he had permission to use. The song it came from included remixed samples of other songs, used with permission. One of those sampled songs was somebody's cover for a very old song, in a different part of the song to the few seconds of trumpets part which Mumbo Jumbo used in his intros.
A company bought the rights to that old song, which was covered, which was then partially sampled in another song, which another part of was used by MumboJumbo, and claimed all of his youtube ad revenue.
One of the biggest and most consistent youtube content creators for years, who was getting millions of views a week (more than many aired tv shows), and he had trouble getting in contact with youtube over it, and then had to remove the song he had permission to use from all of his videos, going back years and editing them all, or else they could claim all of his revenue (a decade of 2-3 weekly half hour long videos, from a few seconds of trumpets used in his intro, which he had permission to use, which weren't from the cover of a song which some business trolls bought the rights to).
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u/IAmNotNathaniel Jul 01 '22
this is the difference between being rich enough to have lawyers and not being rich enough to have lawyers.
a halfway decent lawyer probably would have been able to squash that. but if you don't have a legal team and are against people who have a huge legal team, you get steamrolled.
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u/cucufag Jul 01 '22
I don't think so. Check out this story: https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/bungie-sues-destiny-2-youtuber-lord-nazo-nick-minor-lawsuit/
Bungie, a huge game developer owned by Sony, literally cannot contact youtube support to resolve this issue, and has to litigate outside of it.
Youtube is a hell hole and there's no fixing this.
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u/Lord_Boffum Jul 01 '22
Love how she goes 'fuck it, this is too important, so here's the segment again'. If this means she faces more serious consequences, this story might get pretty big, news-wise.
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u/Johannes_Keppler Jul 01 '22
I think she's trusting the momentum she created. YT is quite sensitive to large news stories and she knows the Internet will blow this in to something (even more) big if her account gets banned.
BTW, I love how she stays positive even when mad.
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u/Lord_Boffum Jul 01 '22
I think YouTube knows they'll have a much bigger shitstorm on their hands if they delete this video of hers too. I wish they would though, you can't rake these guys over the coals enough. Fucking monopolist assholes deserve a reaming to end all reamings.
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u/Atomic_Shaq Jul 01 '22
Dealing with YouTube as a creator sounds like a Kafkaesque nightmare
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u/James_Locke Jul 01 '22
Ann Reardon is unfathomably based. She literally reposted the video in this one. Holy shit she's a hero.
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u/andrewsad1 Jul 01 '22
Fun fact, the algorithm loves videos having a lot of watch time, and watching at .25 speed quadruples your watch time per view. Not that I'm suggesting a large amount of people should manipulate the algorithm to make this video more popular or anything
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u/SquidCap0 Jul 01 '22
Anns videos most likely get tons of reports, the scammers etc really do not like her work. The good news is that Ann also has lots of fans that support her work, and the Youtube "helpers" (forgot what they are called) do really want to help youtubers, but often lack the tools to do so. But, the video will be re-instated at some point, it is just hassle and Ann loses quite a bit of views.
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u/WillemDafoesHugeCock Jul 01 '22
Ann Reardon has explicitly called out YouTube and Google for their shitty practices many times. I can't say I'm surprised they took the chance to punish her but I'm very disappointed. Her videos are wonderful, to see her with one removed before the five minute craft videos get nuked is just absurd.
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u/lynsea Jul 01 '22
The original video also called out YT for using content on FB without directing views to the original video. Wonder if they removed it for that under the guise of "promoting dangerous activities."
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u/Zero111of160cru Jul 01 '22
Everybody like her video, watch it completely, and leave a comment. But not just that, like as many other people's comments as you can and comment on their comments. Really drive up the engagement rate of her video. It's important! Have you ever wanted to make a difference in this world. This is how you do it! More than voting, protesting, or complaining. Getting this video to number 1 will save lives.
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u/KillermodeD Jul 01 '22
I feel sorry for Ann and the fact that she has to fight with one of the biggest corporations in the world to save lives with her educational videos, she does so much to help people in her video debunking dangerous and borderline deadly hacks that youtube keeps promoting non-stop. She needs to get some respect for using her time, energy and money doing free content on youtube just for them to shut it down, I will try to support by subscribing to her patreon and I really hope for her and for the lives of others that she doesn't get a strike on her channel. Keep fighthing Ann!
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u/IlIlIlIllllllllIIIII Jul 01 '22
Someone needs to sue Youtube for removing dislikes. Dislikes actually help.
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u/Edythir Jul 01 '22
I was ready to go talk about how 5 minute crafts has 77 Million subscribers and what absurd, ugly amount of money they bring in but. None or almost none of their last 30 videos broke 300K views, half didn't even make it to 100K.
But, still on the matter, viral videos are very proffitable for youtube in terms of adsense, telling people how dangerous these very popular videos are is bad for business, you don't make any money from caution or safety, safety costs money.
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u/193X Jul 01 '22
It's easy for a bot account to subscribe to a thousand content farm channels; a lot harder to fool YouTube into thinking a video has been watched by millions of bots without actually playing some of the video.
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u/siero20 Jul 01 '22
Huh... Yeah I suppose youtube loves showing fake subscribers because it doesn't cost them anything. Fake views would be leveraged by channels to demand more revenue so they of course would be much more stringent on making sure a real person watched the video.
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u/DolezalWasRight Jul 01 '22
God, I hate 5 Minute Crafts. I don't feel like it gets enough hate so fuck 5 Minute Crafts! Fuck the content creators/influencers/streamers/cocksuckers who make it.
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u/daekle Jul 01 '22
Does this move youtube from Negligent to Malicious? there has to been intent there for them to delete a debunking video whilst leaving up the originals.
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u/Totalsolo Jul 01 '22
My sister and her young children had to bury her husband yesterday because of this. It’s heartbreaking, wish I’d known about this video sooner, he died so recently, I might have been able to send it to him.
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u/Plorntus Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22
What is insane is actually Youtube official account comments on other fractal wood burning videos seemingly in support of displaying such dangerous content while also deleting this video calling it out?
Link to Youtubes official account commenting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG4-wR8D_bc
Edit: YouTube has deleted their comment.
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u/Stay-at-Home_Daddy Jul 01 '22
YouTube has an official account that comments on random videos?
Why?
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u/IAmABritishGuy Jul 01 '22
Ann Reardon should reach out to Electroboom, BigCliveLive, Practical Engineering & SmarterEveryDay to try and do a group video together regarding the dangers of lichtenberg fractal wood burning.
That would be the ultimate engineering team to back up her rightfully pointed out dangers.
- Grady with his extremely deep levels of research, knowledge & modelling, as well as his top of the range production.
- Destin with his willingness to learn and simplify/explain this learned knowledge to his viewers.
- Sadaghdar with his electrical engineering knowledge & his ability to demonstrate the dangers of electricity through humour.
- Clive with his electrical engineering knowledge & his experience of demonstrating safety features within products.
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u/thepetros Jul 01 '22
What is there to say that hasn't already been said about YouTube and how absolutely horrible they are with this kinda thing? No reason whatsoever to have done this and I sincerely hope she gets her video reinstated. Will probably take a huge social media pressure campaign to make that happen, as usual.
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u/BrightView00 Jul 01 '22
I enjoy this lady quite a bit
Her and her family are wholesome.
Her content is relaxing and often has stuff like this, bringing attention to stuff that needs addressing.
Sadly I'm not surprised to see Google / YouTube dropping the ball so embarrassingly
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u/throwitaway333111 Jul 01 '22
Fuck me. Not to fuck around with transformers should be fucking common sense to anyone with a basic understanding of electrical safety. Clown world where tiktok can encourage people to do this.
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u/NgBUCKWANGS Jul 01 '22
I saw it before it was ever taken down and thought it was a valuable perspective on why the average layman shouldn't try it.
This time, I liked, subscribed and shared the video because the balls on her to do what's right needs all the support she can get <3
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u/PoopnEvryDay Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22
If YouTube spent less time deleting education and safety videos from experts and researchers with credible sources, and instead on moderating and removing pseudo science, baseless alternative history, mean spirited "drama alert" videos, and people doing actually dangerous things on camera, maybe people wouldn't be so damn stupid.
That video was excellent.
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u/gamingthrowawway2021 Jul 01 '22
YouTube is a joke. I want it to be forced to become an archive site and have to struggle because of mismanagement.
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u/retroly Jul 01 '22
All those fractal videos make lots of content views and money, this vid debunks it and shows that its bad, this might stop people making these vial fractal burning videos and therefore revenue.
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u/Plorntus Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22
The annoying thing is that the only way to resolve this normally is to just stir up a storm on Twitter.
Willing to bet had this follow up video not been made then Youtube would have upheld its ban in yet another automated message timed 24 hours later and then tried to sweep it under the rug.
Edit: There we go couple minutes ago YouTube has responded https://mobile.twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1542944317320450049