r/pokemon Dec 02 '22 Silver 1

Nemona should be available anytime for rematch battles Discussion / Venting

How come the battle obsessed rival that wants to fight you the whole game again and again and just waits out because she wants you to improve and get better and only fights while holding back until you beat elite 4 doesn't fight you anymore in the end the real battle is on after Pokemon league but it's clear she wants to keep going.

She can scale every fight up to lvl 100 making her an even better rival than she is already and also gives endgame content for not much effort, IMO it's way better than the academy "battle royal" Or it could even compliment it as side content but it's just soo weird to me that this wasn't done.

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u/lucariouwu68 Dec 02 '22

Battle Tower but it’s just Nemona with like 50 different teams

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u/VianArdene Dec 02 '22 Wholesome Coin Gift

Each time she comes out with a new shoddy disguise.

Nemona? What? No I'm Ramona, can't you see my bushy mustache?

Wearing a beret: Le'Mona

Italian mobster: Verona

Deli worker: Belona

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u/Awesomesauce210 V for victory! Dec 03 '22

Okay, even without the disguises this sounds kinda cool. Maybe it could be structured a bit like the Eternal Battle Reverie, with Nemona giving you a few options on what she'll use against you.

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u/Jazzlike_Mountain_51 Dec 03 '22

Makes sense with the story too because she was always like "I perfected this team for this specific fight"

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u/Frousteleous Dec 03 '22

Clive, is that you?

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u/ArmyofWon Dec 03 '22

Nemona gets the Pompadour from Clavell.

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u/ki113r116 Mr Fancy Floaty Hands Dec 03 '22

You mistyped there. Clive is the cool kid with the pompadour. Clavell is the totally lame Academy Director

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u/Golden_Reflection2 Dec 03 '22

But we do learn that Clavell has a pompadour wig, so that’s where Nemona could get a pompadour wig for one disguise.

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u/ki113r116 Mr Fancy Floaty Hands Dec 03 '22

Oh yeah the same time Clavell revealed himself as Cassiopeia as well? Yeah, miss me with that, shit. #CLIVEISREAL

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u/C0untstockula Dec 03 '22

You can’t battle Ramona until you have defeated her 7 Ex’s which conveniently are also all nemona dressed up

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u/Gnostic_Gnocchi Dec 03 '22

Meerkat: Hakuna

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u/ArcticDragon-31 Dec 03 '22

Warthog: Matata

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u/jk9596 Dec 03 '22

Her Alolan cousin who looks just like her: Kahuna

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u/CraigJSmith-Himself Dec 03 '22

The middle stage before she turns into a wasp: Kakuna

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u/jk9596 Dec 03 '22

When she's at her angriest: Volcarona

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u/Any_Ad2581 Dec 02 '22

Lol. With the amount of times I had to battle her even without my consent, it is a deserved fate.

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u/StallsunGuy0416 Dec 02 '22

Doesn't sound like something she wouldn't voluntarily enter

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u/Any_Ad2581 Dec 02 '22

You are right.

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u/n0Reason_ Dec 03 '22

Don't you only fight her 4 times in the story, with 2 of them being in the tutorial?

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u/AlmostButNotQuit Dec 03 '22

Yeah, she brings it up basically every time she sees you but often has some excuse about why you can't battle this time

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u/nachtspectre Dec 03 '22

It feels lime half are La Primera telling her, you just got done with a battle and need to heal your mons.

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u/lucariouwu68 Dec 03 '22

I don’t remember the exact number of battles but I don’t think it was super high. I think people are remembering more battles because there were a lot of times she wanted to battle you but didn’t

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u/Tandria Dec 03 '22

I could realistically see them bringing back Restricted Sparring with just her as the opponent, so she'd have ready to go teams in every type.

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u/OldManQuail Dec 02 '22

It’s be the David Pumpkins sketch but with Nemona

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u/improbsable Dec 03 '22

That would’ve been the best idea

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u/Archist2357 Smell ya later Dec 02 '22

I thought at one point we would eventually fight the team she used to earn her champion rank, but she only uses the same team she made along our journey.

Cannonically she has a lot more pokemon since she did say at one point she arranged a team specifically to fight a gym leader, so every rematch she should have a new roster to fight

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u/yukiyuzen Dec 02 '22

I always thought they should have gone all the way:

You can challenge her post-game, but every real life day she uses a random generated team (sans legendaries of course) weighed towards Pokemon you haven't seen yet.

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u/tsunderekun Dec 03 '22

No, she should've been the new battle tower. Every floor you fight her, if you win she goes away and comes back with a shitty disguise and a new team to fight you till you lose

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u/yukiyuzen Dec 03 '22

"Nemona? Who's that? I'm Nemonana!"

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u/botbattler30 Dec 02 '22

Nemona leads with Glimmora, Palafin and Flutter Mane are in the mix, Houndstone with last respects, starter, finishes with Kingambit

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u/FaroresWind17 Dec 02 '22

Starting with Glimmora and ending with Kingambit? Pfft, stupid.

  • Geeta

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u/AttitudeBeneficial51 Dec 02 '22

I didn’t understand that choice at all lol

Best lead Pokémon and uses it last like bruh

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u/Lev420 Dec 03 '22

it makes sense story wise since its implied that glimmora is related to the tera phenomenon, with the material it drops being used to make the tm tera blast, as well as it appearing in the cave in area zero

but from a purely gameplay perspective, yeah its dumb lmao

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u/AttitudeBeneficial51 Dec 03 '22

Yeah but you can get glimmora close to the start of the game so it’s not like a big reveal or something

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u/Lev420 Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

they are pretty rare from what i've seen, and i guess it's meant to just be symbolic instead of being some big reveal i think

plus, the types used by the elite four correspond with 4 of the titans, with glimmora's tera being rock, completing the 5 types used by the titans

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u/AgenderWitchery Dec 03 '22

I don't think Glimmora's tera type is THAT relevant here. Tyme fulfills the last type, being a former rock type gym leader.

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u/Lev420 Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

in terms of boss trainers you fight in the main story, i think it's relevant.

me and my friend both did the league battles together, and we both noticed the pattern of the elite four following the types of the titans. when glimmora tera'd into rock, my friend went "oh there you go, there's the rock type". as if gamefreak rounded out all the types.

but yeah in lore i think tyme does fulfill the rock type specialist, but you dont fight her in the main story so i dont think it really counts.

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u/Saxavarius_ Dec 02 '22

Lol this is how i beat the Academy tournament. Lead with glimmora woth focus sash to set up toxic spikes and stealth rocks.

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u/FalsePretender Dec 02 '22

Fun strat. I like to open with Palafin's Flip Turn to enable hero mode and then bring out Glimmora for the spikes.

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u/FR4UDUL3NT Dec 03 '22

Palafin learns FLIP TURN???

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u/FalsePretender Dec 03 '22

For sure. Either when it evolves or around L38-40. Maybe try remembering a move and see if it shows up.

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u/Its-a-Warwilf Dec 03 '22

Oh yeah he does, it's disgusting.

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u/XYZAffair0 Dec 03 '22

Yes, because the drawback of having to switch out without a pivot move was too crippling to keep it viable./s

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u/DASreddituser Dec 02 '22

I just had my legendary bike mow everyone down lol. It was overleveled.

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u/Rodents210 Dec 02 '22

Kingambit second-to-last, Houndstone last with max Attack and Speed EVs/IVs, and a Focus Sash.

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u/KindaShady1219 Dec 03 '22

Imagine that being some player’s first introduction to Last Respects

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u/Cayden68 Dec 03 '22

replace glimmora with smooth rock ttar. Houndstone is alot more of a joke without sand

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u/Flipp_Flopps Dec 02 '22

What if you complete the Pokédex?

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u/edwpad Dec 02 '22

Perhaps rare Pokémon that aren’t easy to find, opposite exclusives in a version or have her get a bunch of Pokémon assigned to her then just randomly generate it (which changes after a real life day passes).

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u/HolmatKingOfStorms more like dundense Dec 02 '22

i assumed it meant "weighted towards pokemon she hasn't used yet"

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u/bezerkmayfall Dec 02 '22

This is such a good idea. It would help people fill their Pokedex, and it is like Nemona is still trying to mentor you to be the best trainer you can be.

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u/YobaiYamete Dec 02 '22

I'd like it if they just had her use teams from online ranked that have high win rates. Wouldn't be that hard to implement and would let people who don't want to play online still have a challenge and reason to breed strong pokemon

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u/unitedshoes Dec 02 '22

I don't know if I'd go for the weighting you described. A wide variety of Pokémon feels out of character for her. She's all about battling. The "Gotta Catch 'Em All!" side of being a Pokémon trainer doesn't seem to be a major factor for her.

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u/Relevant_View8038 Dec 02 '22

In fact she explicitly stats she is awful at catching pokemon

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u/BaulsJ0hns0n86 Dec 02 '22

True! She would probably have a Pokémon of each type ready to go, and then shuffle her team comp on a gym by gym basis.

No Pokédex for Nemona!

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u/92taurusj Dec 03 '22

It shouldn't be every Pokémon, I agree, but she should have a relatively large variety. She does say she trained up multiple teams, after all. At least one specifically for a gym, her original team she became champion with, and the new team she trained up alongside us. She should have at least 18 Pokémon for a rotating roster.

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u/giantenemycrabisreal Dec 02 '22

Do something like N in Black and White 2 but without the seasons

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u/Jebrawl Dec 02 '22

Instead of a Battle tower, Battle tree, or whatever. It should just be Battle Nemona.

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u/BestUsername101 Perfection-> Dec 02 '22

Just Nemona.

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u/Zezin96 Bi$harp Dec 03 '22

Wait it’s all Nemona?

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u/Dolvalski Dec 03 '22

Always had been 🔫

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u/Waste_Affect6860 Dec 02 '22

Just Pneumonia

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u/be_an_adult So I herd u liek Dec 02 '22

She also was admonished by the Prof just prior to the opening battle because she was planning on using her Champion Rank team, not the starter she’d just gotten. I thought it was a nice idea to have her be experienced instead of wet behind the ears

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u/Key_Buffalo7200 Dec 03 '22

That would have been hilarious as a first battle, just her bringing out like a level 80 against our level 5 starter

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u/Xandril Dec 03 '22

She could have easily just been like “oops, one second I forgot!” And switch it out.

Just give the player a heart attack by sending out a level 80 Garchomp or something equally PTSD inducing before sending out the actual starter.

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u/coralwaters226 Dec 03 '22

The cowards should have done it too. What a first for a pokemon game.

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u/Buffthebaldy Dance monkey, dance! Dec 02 '22

Would love to see her original champion team, and a new team with end game 'mons part of the pool of options.

Nemona is a fun character, and I wanna see more.

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u/the_fuego the_fuego Dec 02 '22

The entire time I was waiting for that Paldean Tauros from the first cutscene to come out and stomp my ass back to the stone age but it didn't happen. I even brought my own :(((

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u/parisiraparis Dec 02 '22

so every rematch she should have a new roster to fight

God damn that would be sick af

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u/MistarEhn Dec 02 '22

I was so annoyed when I got to the section of the postgame where you meet her on the field to talk about other students not wanting to battle her, and then she asks if you want to battle…

And the game then proceeds to give you a black screen and text box you that you battled her for hours straight.

Why didn’t I get to battle her at that point? I get that the idea was to unlock her for the Ace Competition, but by the time I actually got to rematch it, my core team was very over leveled.

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u/StallsunGuy0416 Dec 02 '22

Ace competition rematches was a catastrophic mechanic yeah lmao

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u/sapphicmusharna Dec 02 '22

I at LEAST think she should be able to appear as an NPC in Tera raid battles, like Peonia could in the Crown Tundra.

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u/Mystletoe Dec 03 '22

I think Raid battles should be Arven

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u/im_bored345 Dec 03 '22

Because of the herba mystica? That makes sense considering in the postgame he says he wants to be a chef specifically to help pokemon which would require them lol.

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u/Alpheu5 Dec 02 '22

Nemona could have been the Battle Tower replacement, except instead of fighting a bunch of trainers in a facility, you duke it out with her in the schoolyard as she tries different strats for singles and doubles. Then you win LP instead of BP because the League recognizes your battles as a learning opportunity for the other students.

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u/Believe-it-Geico Dec 02 '22

Amazing idea

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u/connorcook13 Dec 02 '22

Gamefreak would never carry out an idea this good. It’s against their core philosophy

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u/PCN24454 Dec 02 '22

Honestly, it would feel kinda boring without the other trainers.

Battle Facilities should come back.

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u/Rafi89 Dec 02 '22

Nemona dresses up in disguises. If you win you unlock her outfit.

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u/Jss_jule Dec 03 '22

Extra points if Clavell cant see threw her disguise and think theres just a bunch of new students enrolling without him knowing about it.

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u/LeviHolden Dec 02 '22

How about this: you can battle Nemona once a day, but you have to track her down. You can find a hint on her dorm room door, like, “out looking for Donphan!” or similar.

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u/Pokii HORN DRILL BREAKER Dec 02 '22

Alternatively, you can battle Nemona once a day but she tracks you down.

It could be as you’re shiny hunting, having a picnic, or perhaps even coming out of a shop. You have no idea when or where, but it will happen.

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u/EldritchDrake Dec 02 '22

A message pops up. Nemona is on the move! And then a distant meter pops up. You have to evade her or fight her.

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u/Pokii HORN DRILL BREAKER Dec 02 '22 Gold Helpful Wholesome

New survival horror DLC: Pokémon Scary & Violent

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u/bookemdanno Dec 02 '22

After a day of battling Nemona, you save and quit the game, put down your Nintendo Switch and go to bed. Then your phone rings, but the ringtone is "Hey *trainer*, wanna battle?"

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u/KoolioKenneth Dec 02 '22

Ok, that was genius. I tip my hat to you, good Pokii.

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u/Zedman5000 Dec 02 '22

every moment you aren’t running is a moment she is getting closer

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u/Bright_Weight_1572 Dec 02 '22

You can run but you'll just be tired when she catches you

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u/Dark_Blade Fireball! Dec 02 '22

Nemona isn’t very athletic though, so you’ll probably outrun her easily.

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u/Bright_Weight_1572 Dec 02 '22

We're in fan canon now. She's a terminator in fan lore 😆

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u/garrrrrrrett Dec 02 '22

Jaws music intensifies

Wait, this would make battle logging a real thing in Pokémon

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u/Versail Dec 02 '22

Ah yes, the yandere dlc

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u/fxxftw Dec 02 '22

SCREEEECCCH!

700 meters

you pray to a silent deity

550 meters

ancient instincts and deep fear begin to set in

350 meters

your eyes dart madly

150 meters

heavy, ragged breathing

heart racing-blood pumping to all extremities

0 meters

on the ground, a shadow looms dwarfing your own

“WANNA BATTLE!?”

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u/Bragnezam Dec 02 '22

"No"

"Oh, okay"

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u/TunaTunaLeeks Dec 02 '22

“YOU. ME. RIVALS. YES?!”

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u/Bragnezam Dec 02 '22

"I'm not leaving till you say yes"

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u/thenumber88 Dec 02 '22

"WON'T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER"

battle begins

"I GOT A NEW TRICK UP MY SLEEVE! I CAN NOW TERRASTRALIZE EVERY SINGLE POKEMON I HAVE ON MY TEAM! AND YOU CAN'T SKIP THE ANIMATIONS SO YOU'LL HAVE TO WATCH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAPPEN!"

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u/dathar Dec 02 '22

Nemona Everywhere

~Trainer-chan~

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u/Suparockr Shoop Da Goop Dec 03 '22

Me: minding my own business running around trying to hatch eggs with a flame body talonflame

Nemona, not fucking around this time:

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u/Fork_Master Sableye Republic Dec 02 '22

Oh that’s brilliant

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u/PunkRockTeacher Dec 02 '22

Or they could just do what they did with the Miss Fortune Sisters and plant her randomly in the field. She'd be the one NPC that can trigger a battle from eyesight once per day, or alternatively you can sneak up behind and challenge her.

Each battle her Pokémon are swapped out if you win, and gain one level. If you lose they stay the same.

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u/xDxRockx Dec 02 '22

wakes up and begins the day

"Time to brush my teeth, make a sandwich, and-"

aggressive knocking

"Hey, it's me, NEMONA!"

"God damn it; this is the 37th time in a row..."

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u/JayJayGolden Dec 02 '22

alternatively, players can invade others AS Nemona

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u/Polenball Trans Wrongs Dec 02 '22

Unfortunately, you are Miraidonless.

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u/ArbitraryChaos13 Dec 02 '22

No Miradons?

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u/LightningBlake Dec 02 '22

Pokémon kiwami: nemona everywhere

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u/Icehellionx Dec 02 '22

Nemona Everywhere System

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u/FyrelordeOmega Dec 02 '22

That's a fucking horror story

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u/Avatar_sokka Dec 02 '22

It follows

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u/FloofySkuntank Dec 02 '22

This is hilarious. I want the message to be super ominous like: “She’s approaching.” Or “She’s getting closer.”

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u/titaniumjordi Dec 02 '22

Nemona lies in wait

Footsteps approaching

She is hunting for you

Footsteps approaching

Footsteps approaching

Nemona has seen you

Footsteps approaching

RUN She is behind you

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u/Pokii HORN DRILL BREAKER Dec 02 '22

Actual cannibal Nemona

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u/PPFitzenreit Dec 02 '22

The Nemona Everywhere system

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u/JusticeDuwang Hyper Muteki Dec 02 '22

NEMONA
CHAMPION-CLASS
STUDENT PRESIDENT OF NARANJA ACADEMY

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u/person_number26 Dec 02 '22

It's like "majima everywhere" from the yakuza games your just strolling around town and nemona emerges from a comically large traffic cone as her theme fades in

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u/EnTyme53 Dec 02 '22

I'm picturing Nemona showing up with a mini cutscene a la the Shadow of Mordor/Shadow of War nemesis system.

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u/The_Strict_Nein Sub-Petaya for Life Dec 02 '22

Nemona everywhere

Traaaaaaineeeer-kuuuuuuuun

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u/Feraligreater328 I believe in Miror B. Dec 02 '22

Nemona, but she's just Majima from the Yakuza games.

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u/cluckay An Undead Samurai Dec 02 '22

Kiyru-chan!

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u/Pikagreg Dec 02 '22

Majima Everywhere but with Nemona. I want her to show up in cosplay of a random construction worker and ask for a battle.

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u/RNGcooks Dec 02 '22

Nemona is the snail that slowly walks towards you at all times but if she touches you, you die

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u/RTXChungusTi Dec 02 '22

am I the only one finding this remotely hot

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u/Versail Dec 02 '22

Nah holmes it's a Latina chick hunting you down everyone finds it hot.

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u/TsuNewHalf Dec 02 '22

kabedon

No.
A lot of people are crushing on her for this reason.

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u/EldritchDrake Dec 02 '22

Well I mean if we're going that route she goes for the full kabedon when she finds you.

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u/fyrechild Dec 02 '22

"Why has she started calling me Kiryu-chan?"

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u/Mabubifarti Dec 02 '22

and DMX plays when she finds you

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u/The_Unnamed_Feeling Dec 02 '22

Nemona Gon’ give it to ya

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u/projectmars Cinccino Best Troll Dec 02 '22

That seems more in line with her characterization.

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u/happygocrazee Dec 02 '22

I'm imagining her spawning in and booking it after you with a big anime dust trail behind her like the Sharpedo in SwSh.

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u/TunaTunaLeeks Dec 02 '22

That kind of reminds me of the side quest with the Xtransceiver in BW2. It was fun getting calls from a phone pal. That would be awesome to recreate that in a newer game!

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u/RathVelus Dec 02 '22

That’s a fantastic idea! Encourages exploration and can provide motivation for encountering more mon.

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u/CynthiaKitty Dec 02 '22

When you do her side quest after the main story and she's asks if you want to have a practice match, you agree and then the screen goes black and it's suddenly after the match... what... Why? Isn't the whole point of her character that you fight her over and over? Why cut out one more battle?

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u/adgazard Dec 02 '22

Because you battle her for hours according to the cutscene.

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u/CynthiaKitty Dec 02 '22

They could at least have given us one more battle

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u/adgazard Dec 02 '22

I think the best way to execute it would have been endless battles like in Arceus.

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u/dongeckoj Dec 02 '22

That would be great!!

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u/benhu12341 Dec 02 '22

wtf whats her side quest? and/or how do you start it?

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u/dongeckoj Dec 02 '22

After the credits roll, talk to her in the school

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u/SirCaesar29 Dec 02 '22

That pissed me off so much

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u/cross_duelist Dec 02 '22

I wanna see her fight with her old team.

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u/Bloodloon73 The Best and My Favorite pokemon. Dec 02 '22

I would also like it if she had a large list of possible Pokemon teams and it would randomly select one every time you battled her.

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u/unnamed_elder_entity Dec 02 '22

She can call you every 15 minutes on the Rotom Phone to ask about a battle. You can decline it, but she'll keep calling until you agree to a battle and then won't call until the next day.

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u/PoliceAlarm Dec 03 '22

"Niko! Let's go battling!"

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u/Cassandra_Canmore Dec 02 '22

I like this idea.

Considering, she's restraining herself and not using her full potential during your Gym Challenge. Because she didn't want to discourage you.

Once your champion rank, she should have been all "OK! BAN~KAI" and went all apeshit on you lol.

While constantly wanting rematches.

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u/Jss_jule Dec 03 '22

Once you're a champion and have proven yourself her equal, she shouldve had lvl 100s, 5-6 IV, EV trained, Egg move, HA Pokemon. I want a Cynthia level battle every rematch from her. Really sell that no one was on her level until you showed up.

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u/punchbricks Dec 03 '22

I'm more annoyed that you can't ever become Top Champ. How many times do I have to sweep Geeta with a single pokemon before people acknowledge her fall?

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u/happygocrazee Dec 02 '22

I miss the cellphone. And not the version from newer gens that just shows when trainers are available for a rematch, I miss the one from Johto! Where you could ask for some trainers number, and some would give you items, specifically call you for a rematch, or sometimes just shoot the shit. That was so fun.

I don't remember why but Hiker Anthony was always my favorite, I'd rematch him every time he called. One day I hiked up for our usual bout and the Graveler he'd always been throwing out had evolved into a full on Golem! I was so proud of him. Like, legitimately proud. That kind of dynamic player connection that's unforced will always be stronger than manufactured ones like Hop. I mean hell, I still remember the name of a random trainer from a game that came out 23 years ago! That's something.

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u/KirbyDerp Dec 02 '22

For me it was picknicker Gina just before goldenrod

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u/balrus-balrogwalrus Dec 02 '22

Would be neat if she could be battled once per day for some reward items and she regularly switches up her team randomly each time they reset the battle. She's said to be already an experienced trainer, after all.

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u/Intense_Judgement Dec 02 '22

I want a Nemona Everywhere system in the post game.

Walk down the streets of Levincia? Nemona calls out

Go see your mum? Nemona is having a cup of tea

Try to catch wild pokemon? One in every hundred or so is Nemona cosplaying

I really should have read the thread before posting, lol

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u/Becc-DeHam Dec 02 '22

Scarlet and Violet battle tower but its only Nemona

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '22

Right. It’s such a downgrade from past games even. I’d rather find my rival in some town and get to battle them daily rather than go through a whole tournament just for a chance to battle them, all while everyone’s great battle themes are overwritten. Platinum did rematches the best imo.

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u/Gaywhorzea Dec 02 '22

Black and White 2 giving us the world tournament was my favourite kind of rematch. I know it's not quite the same, but god it was fun and the soundtrack was incredible.

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u/TLKv3 He's My Best Friend. Dec 02 '22

It still pisses me off to no end that a Region that touts having a certified "Champion Rank" that is obscenely difficult to reach and incredibly rare for someone to do...

Doesn't have multiple Champion NPCs from previous games spawn around the map in the post-game.

Imagine finding Red on the highest peak of Paldea beside the sign with Charizard keeping him warm? Finding Blue down on the beach fishing with Blastoise? Wally in one of the cities enjoying finer meals and fashion designs? Steven at the North East of the map citing he believes Tera forms rival Mega forms and you can battle him and the only Mega in the game, his Metagross?

Like what the fuck. So much potential for this game squandered.

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u/Polenball Trans Wrongs Dec 02 '22

> find a random house that you can enter

> open the door out of curiosity

> piano starts playing

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u/Mrwanagethigh Dec 02 '22

The fact you can enter the house might be a give away this time

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u/Polenball Trans Wrongs Dec 03 '22

I think it would make it funnier because you'd be wondering why you can enter only to get hit with the "Oh fuck"

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u/benhu12341 Dec 02 '22

lmfaooooooooo

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u/killerz7770 DRAGOOOON Dec 02 '22

cries in Spirit Tomb

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u/nick2473got Dec 02 '22

Or just like, why aren't there other champion-ranked trainers throughout the region that you can challenge after becoming a champion yourself?

They don't have to be from old games, they can just be new characters. It's kinda weird that Geeta and Nemona seem to be the only champion-ranked trainers aside from the player character.

Imo there should've been a dozen or so champion-ranked trainers you can battle every day scattered throughout Paldea, unlocked after the credits.

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u/fatgunn Dec 03 '22

Geeta's dialogue after you beat her implies that she's been just destroying any challengers and that Nemona is the only one that's been able to beat her recently.

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u/nick2473got Dec 03 '22

Yeah. So? "Recently" is the key word there.

Why can't there be people who have been champion rank since long before Nemona beat Geeta?

There could easily be a variety of champion rank trainers of various ages, there's zero issue there.

I mean Nemona herself can't be older than like 18 yet she's a champion. Even if she was the first person to win in like 10 years (massively generous assumption), that doesn't prevent there being a whole host of champion ranked trainers in their late 20s, 30s, 40s, or even older.

We also don't know who was Top Champion before Geeta, or how long she's held that position, but the point is if "champion" is actually a "rank", then it simply cannot be that the only one alive is a teenage girl.

There must be older champions out there somewhere.

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u/Gaywhorzea Dec 02 '22

Don't get me started, that would be so cool. Maybe one of the DLCs can be a champion tournament?

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u/electric_emu Dec 02 '22

PWT was amazing. Nostalgia out the ass (that OST alone!) and a respectable challenge. Wish something similar would return.

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u/anonamus7 Dec 02 '22

So wild that we consider gen 5 nostalgia at this point(not that you’re wrong time just really flys haha) I wholeheartedly agree, gen 5 was one of my favorite overall generations for the content they put out and the new Pokémon

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u/Frogmouth_Fresh Dec 02 '22

I really liked being the Champion in USUM and having to beat a challenger after going through the E4 again too, that was very cool.

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u/ChongusTheSupremus Dec 02 '22

It's such a weird decision, considering that even as early into the series as RZE you could challenge your rival once a day.

Hell, in RBY you could challenge Blue as many times as you wanted as long as you beat the E4 on the way.

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u/TunaTunaLeeks Dec 02 '22

How funny would it be if Arven managed to get better than her and meet you in the finals? Tbh, she’d probably have a heart attack at the excitement of two rivals.

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u/carefree_dude Mr. Fish Dec 03 '22

She literally has a battle arena at her house. Your first battle was there, you should be able to endgame battle her backyard

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u/FriskeCrisps Dec 03 '22

did Nemona type this?

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u/shanedestroyer Dec 02 '22

Just make nemona the battle tower, you just fight her over and over again with different teams

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u/WookieTesticle69 Dec 02 '22

We need a nemona everywhere feature like in yakuza. Nemona will randomly be in bins and on buildings waiting to ambush. Replacing forced trainer battles.

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u/Levonorgestrelfairy1 Dec 02 '22

They should have her go Yandere and just be waiting at every pokecenter

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u/projectmars Cinccino Best Troll Dec 02 '22

Or forcefully "interveining" occasionally if you try to fight random trainers.

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u/Bright_Weight_1572 Dec 02 '22

Nemona taking out every trainer ahead of you because they aren't worthy of her rival. You can track her by the path of carnage

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u/metaltastic Dec 02 '22

She's a far superior rival then the last 2

but a good rival doesn't pick the mon weak to yours, that's like childs play

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u/Fatalfrosthawk Dec 02 '22

She purposely picked the one weak to you so it would be a better battling experience for you. Her whole goal is to get you hooked on battles like her so she has someone that can battle at her level eventually. That means letting you know about type weaknesses by picking the one you are strong against. Which turns around later on when the starter she picked is actually super effective against yours with the secondary typing.

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u/jugol Dec 02 '22

People make much of a big deal about the rival picking the weak starter anyway. Yeah it eases the first couple of fights but by the end of the story most rivals have another mon that has advantage over you. You being overleveled by then is a different matter.

Regardless of your starter, Nemona has Lycanroc (super-effective vs Skeledirge), Pawmot (super-effective vs Quaquaval) and Goodra (has super-effective moves vs Mewoscarada). If any the real issue would be the removal of the Set battle mode.

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u/swords_to_exile Dec 02 '22

I just mash B when I KO anything, so that I automatically decline the swap and don't see what's coming out until it hits.

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u/Ill1lllII Dec 02 '22

Goodra can also get grass immunity with sap sipper.

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u/Shylvie Dec 02 '22

Only applies if you pick the duck that wrecks fuecoco but by choosing plant or fire she has that secondary typing to potentially one-shot you

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u/Acceptable-Bag-7521 Dec 02 '22

Teras out of that good typing though!

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u/CrisVas3 Dec 02 '22

The clever solution would’ve been if by her last battle she had changed her starter’s tera type to its secondary typing. None of the major battles used their tera types in the way I hoped they would.

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u/Draconano Dec 02 '22

Iono used her tera type perfect, mon with levitate so it had no weakness. I think that is a perfect usage of the type in terms of GameFreaks difficulty levels. Brassius's sudo going grass was decent as well, as rock is super effective to 2 of the 3 types grass is weak to.

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u/EnTyme53 Dec 02 '22

That would have also been a good way for GF to remind the players how to change tera type. Only place I remember seeing that mentioned in-game is in one of the classes, which I know a lot of people skipped.

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u/CrisVas3 Dec 02 '22

Bonus points if she were to offer you one free switch for one of your Pokemon. Just to really nail in the mechanic. She could justify it as “evening the odds” or whatever

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u/TheShishkabob Dec 02 '22

You keep the pre-Tera STABs even if you lose the typing.

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u/Eagleballer94 Dec 02 '22

But your mon loses its secondary weakness to that type

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u/TsuNewHalf Dec 02 '22

Ya to be honest she's better because she's not a Rival.
Heck, she's not even an antagonist.
I think shes made to literally be that friend you play games with.

A lesson that it's fine to be competitive, but have some class.

I think its why I like her more then the last few.

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u/Levonorgestrelfairy1 Dec 02 '22

Atleast shes intentionally going easy on you

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u/theriskguy Dec 02 '22

I think you’ve missed that she does that on purpose.

And that she leads with a mon that beats your stater.

She’s a brilliantly designed rival. I wish you could fight her daily too.

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u/TheDivinestSol Where's me Mega Dec 02 '22

Whoa whoa whoa we need them to have something for the DLC

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