r/pokemon Nov 27 '22 Silver 7 Gold 1 Helpful 6 Wholesome 6 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Take My Energy 2 Heartwarming 1 Facepalm 2

What Reddit told me I'd get and what I actually got are two completely different things. I recommend this game to everyone who is a Pokemon fan. Discussion / Venting

This is the best Pokemon game they've released and I don't really care about how the rocks look or whatever. It took me a minute to actually enjoy it because the threads here only discussed the absolute worst aspects of the game without discussing any of the positives of the game. I've put about 60 hours into the game now and the amount of love and care they put into this game is phenomenal. If you don't like it then just return it, but don't be like me and not get the game just because of negative posts on Reddit.

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u/SakmarEcho Nov 27 '22 Silver

I have had a lot of fun with it but it undeniably runs like absolute shit.

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u/Competitive_Tomato_1 Nov 28 '22

I finally made it to the false dragon titans mission, and I got the worst drop in frame rate I have seen in the game. I am not sure if it is because of the pokemon spawning on the water nearby, but I had to jump from the water to increase the FPS

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u/PM_ME_UR_CIRCUIT Nov 28 '22

The water + pokemon + mist effects are wreaking havoc in that area.

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u/GnokDoorsmasher Nov 28 '22

Glaseado tends to run worse for me but the lake (Cassaroya?) is definitely running poorly.

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u/Ncrawler65 Nov 28 '22

The mountain generally runs pretty well for me. But Casseroya Lake and the forest/woodland areas with the Poison and Fighting type Team Star bases tank my frame rates. Which are the only technical issues I have run into (and I have put a good amount of hours into the game).

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u/bvttfvcker Nov 28 '22

It’s like they took cues from Dark Souls, lookin at you Blight Town

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u/MorroClearwater Nov 28 '22

Same for me, lake and forest are nearly unplayable. Had a Dragonair outbreak in the lake that I wanted to try farm for a shiny. It was impossible with the frame rate drops

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u/InvisiblePlants Nov 28 '22

I was fine there but the area surrounding the poison team star base- the forest area?- was bad. I realized why they didn't put that many trees elsewhere.

Still really enjoying it overall though.

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u/Sticky_Pasta Nov 28 '22

Trying to get bisharp to evolve at 4 fps was a highlight

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u/HairiestHobo Nov 28 '22

Which is a shame, because the Weather effects are actually pretty cool.

Ive noticed that in heavy storm/winds, small Pokemon like Hoppips and Igglybuffs tend to get blown away.

Small details like that show that at some point, deep care was given, but was eventually scrapped out for time constraints.

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u/DialZforZebra Nov 28 '22

Bad frame rate. Awful draw distance. And the lag is unreal.

But did I have a good time playing it? Actually, yeah.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22

This is where I’m at, too. I think I’d be almost entirely pleased if they did a high-quality performance patch.

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u/Disaster6991 Nov 28 '22

If they did a performance patch then I think the game would be amazing. I like the game just find it hard to play for long because of the lag and frame rate.

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u/Walkingispainful Nov 28 '22

the glitches are at worst mildly annoying and at best humorous for me, but the worst glitches i've had is getting stuck on cliffs and down the side of buildings

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u/harmonicr Nov 28 '22

I agree. The frame rate is bad. The draw distance is bad. The… forget it. Yeah. It’s a lot of bad. But me? I’ve had a lot of fun, and I’m not even close to being done.

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u/Officing Nov 28 '22

One thing that really helped was moving the save data from the SD card to the switch's internal storage. Greatly reduced my framerate and stuttering issues.

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u/CelestialApples 1289-8219-0595/ Brian (UM) Nov 28 '22

How do I do that again?

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u/Officing Nov 28 '22

Go to your switch's settings, then there should be an option called something like Data Management. From there you can select to move data from the SD card to the internal storage, and then select which games you want to move.

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u/ffffq Nov 28 '22

Doing this will keep your save file and just move where it is stored, correct? I’m not that tech savvy and when I transferred data between switches when I got an OLED one my save data didn’t transfer over and I didn’t realize it didn’t do that.

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u/Officing Nov 28 '22

Correct. My playthrough was exactly where I left it after I moved the save data. Didn't cause any issues.

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u/CelestialApples 1289-8219-0595/ Brian (UM) Nov 28 '22

Thank you!

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u/Niriu Nov 28 '22

It's so weird. I have it on my SD card on the first switch released back then and it runs roughly the same as sw/sh and Pla. I mean..it's not amazing but seems like everyone else has it so much worse.

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u/JZ1803 Nov 28 '22

That's game data, not save data right. This can be gigabytes worth of data while a save would be a few KB

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u/GalacticNexus Nov 28 '22

Yeah, I can't see why on earth save data would have any effect on game performance outside of the few moments in which a save is actually being made. That data shouldn't even be interacted with for 99% of the time.

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u/tatsumikosoulfist Nov 28 '22

Does this make it hurt more or less? XD

Got 4 copies for my family and we are all having a blast playing together... except the wife when she first started to experience crashing and lost some progress. If you can look past all the issues and problems then there is a very good game inside..

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u/TheGooseWithNoose Nov 28 '22

Yeah the crashes absolutely suck. The game does have a backup save systum (X+B +dpad up on the main menu) that makes it hurt less.. but save regularly!

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Nov 28 '22

This.

Its one of the better games and worse games of the franchise

You cant deny the story and characters are good.

Just that they needed time.

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u/_Fun_At_Parties Nov 28 '22

This is it. The game on a technical level is trash, it's buggy, laggy, and it's crashed on me multiple times. Basically the entire shit package. It also looks pretty damn ugly to boot

Is it still fun though? Absolutely. Probably the best story since BW2 if you care more about writing than stakes, and the amount of the depth to complete it exceeds any Pokemon game I've played yet. It has a lot to like despite its issues.

Reddit complains a little too much, but it's from a place of love. People want the whole package. The team could probably do it with more time

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u/MarcosSenesi Nov 28 '22

if you care more about writing than stakes

I like this part about the story so much more. It makes it more realistic and relatable compared to a kid stopping global apocalypse every game. I think SWSH tried something similar but due to their dogshit writing in that game it made the whole game feel meaningless but here it is just a more personal journey and at the end I was so satisfied seeing all the ends come together, which was again much better than the forced friend group in XY that was just there as set dressing.

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u/MasterPenguin_ Nov 27 '22 Silver Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy

It’s a fun game and I love it. But let’s be honest, for the biggest ip in the world, this is not what they should be putting out. They can do way better. The criticism is definitely valid and necessary.

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u/666afternoon Nov 27 '22

Ya, I'm 100% having a good time with this game, the pokemon designs are great - but I'm well aware that my pkmn standards are pretty low and there's so much polish that would've made this sooo much nicer. I don't regret spending money on it, but I've been here since before Yellow was even out and it's sad to watch the corners get cut more and more each gen. I can have fun And want better for the series

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u/jquiggles Gen 2 is pretty cool Nov 28 '22

I don't regret spending my money on it either. I've had a ton of fun with the game and can also acknowledge that we should all want better for the series.

I do, however, think that they got a lot of the key things right. The fact that the game only takes about maybe 20 minutes before saying "ok, you're done with the tutorial, now the entire game is open to you" was cool. It showed that Pokemon can work in the open world environment. The three stories were done well, as was the endgame. The Pokemon themselves look great, and I love some of the animations they have now (if only they'd use more of them in battle...)

If S/V just ran more smoothly and looked generally better, I think they might be my favorite Pokemon games, or at least in my top 3. The template is set for future main series games. They just need to provide all the polish that a company as big as Pokemon should be able to.

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Nov 28 '22

If you want to talk polish. Then blame the scheduling.

This game should have been cooked longer.

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u/Kureiton Nov 28 '22

Yeah, I've seen a lot of people calling GF lazy or that they have no passion, and I just have to strongly disagree. I think this game is brimming with passion and love for the franchise, but its bogged down hard by the clear scheduling issues that no team should be expected to keep up with.

I still cannot fathom why the franchise felt the need for GF to release two substantial RPGs in the span of less than a year, especially when we also got BDSP almost exactly a year ago as well

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Nov 28 '22

Because merch and anime.

Look at digimon. Their games dont need anime to function.

Pokemon needs the games to come out else they have nothing to animate.

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u/Kureiton Nov 28 '22

The problem is that this idea imo holds a lot less weight than it used to.

Beyond the fact that Journeys used far less material from SwSh and Arceus than what they normally use, the anime is facing tons of production issues right now. They apparently lost a great deal of their staff recently, and that resulted in the Masters 8 requiring break weeks and multiple recap episodes just to keep up, and we still have no actual announcement for the Gen 9 anime yet. Similarly, the cards are slated to release in Febuary.

This would have been the perfect time to slow down for a bit. Milk Arceus and BDSP for longer and give every side of the franchise the time they clearly need. But instead of slow down, they've only sped up, leaving us with an unprecedented three major releases in the span of a single year, and no one seems capable of keeping up

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u/materialisticDUCK Nov 27 '22

Exactly, people can enjoy the product but let's not act like this isnt the highest grossing IP of HISTORY, they should be releasing phenomenal products, not "once I got past the looks, it was fun"

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u/mantism *makes plush noises* Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

it's really sad sometimes knowing how some people have barely any standards.

Of course it's obnoxious and unrealistic to expect everyone to have the same standards as me but you'd think that at this point having a game run smoothly would be a reasonable expectation.

now there's literally 0 reason for them to improve the performance and QoL because people will just cope their way through it. They don't get that coping their way and insisting "game is fine once you look past A B C... X, Y and Z" is only going to make future games worse and more prone to fuckery.

edit: go ahead and enjoy the game if you think the game is currently enjoyable, I have no qualms if you are genuinely appreciating the game for what it is. I just want everyone to have some level of expectations and put their foot down eventually, because that's what makes developers make better games.

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u/Waffle_Fish Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

Not everyone has the same standards, but the bar is accepted as being low for Pokemon.

If Tears of the Kingdom released in this state, people would not put up with it nearly as much as the Pokemon community is with S/V

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u/RedTurtle78 Nov 28 '22

I think with this game in particular, its like walking a tightrope as a consumer. Lets say hypothetically everyone did put their foot down due to the poor performance and visuals. What if they pull a gen 5? B/W was one of if not the best game they've made from a story and difficulty perspective. But those games did not meet gamefreak's expectations sales wise (likely due to the lack of returning pokemon prior to post game) and instead of realizing that was the reason, the entire series went baby mode. Everything became infinitely easier, story took a backseat. They looked at the wrong feedback and completely regressed with gen 6.

Lets take another look at something else similar that happened. Assassins Creed Unity was on paper, the best assassins creed game to date. A culmination of all the systems they built up to that point taken to the next level. Technically, a return to even some of the series' roots in design. But it released with an unfinished story, extremely buggy, and with piss poor performance issues. Instead of refining what they had, and learning from the mistake of rushing the game out, they completely switched it up and turned the game into something devoid of its initial concept. Because instead of taking the feedback for what it was, they said "this isn't working anymore, we need to make something that isn't this game."

While I agree gamefreak should not be fully rewarded for rushing the game in an unfinished state, I also worry about them taking poor sales as feedback regarding the quality of the systems in place rather than it being due to the rushed release. And then they might think "sword/shield sold well, lets go back to that!" just like they did with B/W's failure to meet sales expectations. So the aforementioned tightrope is: should we put our feet down now, when everything besides the visuals and performance are HUGE steps in the right direction for the series, or should we use our money to tell them "more of this please" with the hope that they improve in the visual and optimization department next time?

Due to past experiences with franchises I love, I choose to support it for the good, even if it isnt perfect. I want them to realize what they're doing is a huge improvement. That may not be the right way to look at it, but there is a precedent here for this stuff.

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u/Wilkes-kun Nov 28 '22

No $60.00 AAA release in general should get away with this. That price implies top quality. For 60 I could buy God of War, Breath of the Wild, Mario Odyssey, etc. There shouldn't be performance issues of this level and I don't see how some people aren't noticing them.

It seems like only Pokemon could get away with these issues. It's unfair that other companies put so much effort into their games at the $60.00 level. I won't be buying S/V, and I've been a player since original Red/Blue.

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u/c_will Nov 27 '22 Silver Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Starry Burning Cash Timeless Beauty

I appreciate the increased emphasis on the plot in this game relative to Sword/Shield. The end of the game was certainly wild and I enjoyed it. Still, these games have some serious issues, and seem to be regressing in certain areas.

Beyond the atrocious and unacceptable performance issues, these games suffer from:

  • Lack of trainer customization. Being required to wear the school uniform at all times really limits what we can do with our characters in terms of appearance

  • Soulless and lifeless towns. This is a big one for me. There are very few interiors in this game, and the town/city life from previoius games (especially early generation games) has been destroyed. There is nothing unique or interesting going on in towns. We can't enter any buildings. There are zero unique structures or points of interest. The towns themselves lack that distinctive feel that towns from the older games possessed. We all remember Lavendar Town because that's where the Pokemon Tower was located. None of the towns in this game have anything remotely intersting to do or explore. Riding through on our legendary Pokemon without being able to go inside any of the buildings really destroys any sense of connection to the towns.

  • The obsession with sandwiches and crafting ingredients. It's absolutely ridiculous to me that the majority of "shops" in this game (all of which lack interiors, as previously mentioned) are just places to buy food items or ingredients for sandwiches. And in some of the towns there are literally two of the same shop right across the street from one another. It's ridiculous.

  • The "open world" feels empty and lacking. Where are the side quests or stories? Where are the unique points of interest of things to do out in the world? Remember the surfing mini game from Sun/Moon? How cool would it be to stumble upon a beach and find a little beach shack where you could engage in a surfing mini-game and have a chance to win some rare/unique prizes? Or maybe you're traveling around the lake on the northern end of the map and find a resort lodge where people visit, and you can go inside and do side missions/quests with some of the guests. These are just examples, but you get the picture - the open world itself is very much an empty place.

  • Battles are so. incredibly. SLOW. Seriously, after playing Legends: Arceus it was sometimes a pain to get through some of these battles. I thought this was solved with PLA but now we're apparently going backwards in this regard.

  • Bland environments. After the "open world" novelty starts to wear off after a few hours, you realize that the environments are just kind of bland. They're either green, brown, or white with very few trees or interesting enviornmental designs.

  • Lack of dungeons/puzzles. Remember when we had to infiltrate Silph Co? Or find our way through Mount Coronet? There are zero interesting places to get lost in and explore. I was hoping to find some cave where I could keep descending to lower and lower levels to get lost in, maybe with a rare Pokemon or something at the bottom. But nope...nothing like that exists in the game.

Overall, I think these games are an improvement from Sword and Shield obviously. But there are major problems with the world design, along with issues that somehow continue to plague this franchise. And of course we still have the fact that these are some of the worst performing games on the Switch with glitches galore and frame-rates dropping down into the low 20s.

A major performance patch and some meaty DLC would go a long way with improving the games.

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u/kaydavid426 Nov 27 '22

All I wanted was for there to be a secret cave behind ONE waterfall.

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u/LordZeya Nov 28 '22

There’s a secret cave on top of a waterfall at least, but obviously the lack of things behind waterfalls is literally a crime. Just have an acknowledgment of the trope- one map in Guild Wars 2 has an achievement for checking behind all the waterfalls, there’s nothing behind them but you’re still participating in the expectation of something being behind them.

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u/starcabin_ ghost type enthusiast Nov 28 '22

I gave up checking after a while but I was bewildered why they would even have so many waterfalls if there was never anything behind them.

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u/Blubbpaule Nov 28 '22

To add on to this:

-Different rules for you and the NPCs: "No pokemon out of pokeballs allowed indoors" while absolute EVERYONE in the school has his pokemon next to him

-Sandwich making being complicated and have no direct information on them how to get the buffs you want, making it an incredible boring trial and error to find if your combination is even possible.

-literally no world-building. No crater that is visible explaining some happenings, no ruins that tell a story. Every Open World game has areas which are full of lore and environmental storytelling. This game has none of it.

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u/tobyjoey Put something clever here later. Nov 28 '22

I think you may have covered the feelings I have been struggling to put into words so perfectly here it's like reading my own inner thoughts.

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u/snow-days Nov 27 '22

also, it's missing a lot of obvious QOL. including some that were even in previous games, and inexplicably taken out for SV.

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u/Daniel328DT Nov 28 '22

See that's thing I hate about DLC. If the base game cannot live up to expectations, then it's really hard to say that the game itself feels complete. Now with DLC the game magically plays better? It should not be that way. I really think you nailed a lot of the points I was concerned about especially since they went so far with open exploration.

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u/ArcHeroe9 Nov 28 '22

Being required to wear the school uniform at all times really limits what we can do with our characters in terms of appearance

Legit my biggest motivation to go visit all the towns before even getting any badges was to see if I could find a a shirt store. Extremely disappointed in that regard.

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u/GoldenBull1994 Nov 28 '22

And make the caves more elaborate and uneven than they were in legends arceus.

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u/InvisiblePlants Nov 28 '22

There are very few interiors in this game,

This was my biggest problem with Arceus, but at least there we could go into the village houses and tents. I worried I would see it on a bigger scale in S/V and here it is.

I want to go into office buildings and houses and talk to random NPCs. I want to be able to interact with objects and get unique dialogue back. It gives the game life and makes you feel immersed. There are so few NPCs you can actually talk to in these games, they're all just crowds who say something from a preassigned pool when you pass them. And that works, but it shouldn't be the majority of your nameless NPCs.

Side quests like they had in Arceus would have helped this, I think. Maybe if they'd spent half the time they had for sandwich content on sidequests, it would feel more fleshed out...

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u/SakN95 Nov 28 '22

I agree. But I would like to mention that even though I liked the end of the story (it's epic!), the plot feels interesting just right when it's actually ending. I'm saying this because for me it felt a little too repetitive doing all gyms, totem and TS bases with the feeling of a story being too absent. It felt like just some repetitive tasks to keep going.

And I get that the end it's the climax and all that, but I feel like other games distribute the plot throughout the game.

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u/Einstein2004113 Nov 27 '22

Basically my view, it's a nice game, could definitely be better, but with an absolutely awful technical side, and really we could've expected more from the highest grossing franchise ever

Plus generally a lot of cut corners or small things that could've been added. Of course, when taken individually, it comes off as nitpicking, but when you add a small missing thing here, a bug here, an annoying oversight there, it stacks up quickly and the game really comes out as rough

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u/Bluecar93 Nov 28 '22

Putting out a game that doesn't even hit 30 fps in 2022 is pretty bad. The graphics aren't even that great. It's not like we want 4k 60 just a stable 30 would be neat.

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u/GlaIie Nov 27 '22

Yep, just finished the game and loved it. Unfortunately the horrible performance and the unnecessary removal of features stand out just as much as the great story does

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u/SUDoKu-Na Nov 28 '22

I think the criticism of its graphical glitches and lag is valid and necessary.

I think cries that this game is the equivalent of Cyberpunk 2077, or that the game is literally unplayable, are dogwater and completely invalid.

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u/1Evan_PolkAdot Nov 28 '22

At least Cyberpunk 2077 looks state of the art. Scarlet and Violet looks like it could barely pass as an early PS3 title.

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u/LunaRealityArtificer Nov 27 '22

Im also enjoying this game, but saying they put a "phenomenal" amount of care into it is just completely absurd.

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u/InnocuousAssClown Nov 27 '22

It’s also crazy to suggest criticism of this game is limited to just Reddit. Plenty of people can see all the bugs.

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u/sundalius Nov 28 '22

Bugs imply that there’s an unintentional error. It looks like they just didn’t give a shit about pop in and focused on plot and trees, the things people bitched hardest about for Sw/Sh outside of Dexit

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u/JoBro_Summer-of-99 Nov 28 '22

It's worse than pop in, unfortunately. I've seen entire landscapes and shadows pop in and out of existence

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u/sundalius Nov 28 '22

Wild, but I believe you of course! I haven’t had that experience at all with he exception of when the camera clips OOB at the end of a battle from time to time.

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u/mysterioso7 Nov 27 '22

Apart from the obvious technical and graphical problems, to me it seems like they had a lot of great ideas and just didn’t have time to execute them. The care they put into the characters and story is very clear to me, and the end of the game is probably my favorite in the series. The designs of the cities are all pretty darn cool, I mean look at the water gym city design. It just feels so unfinished, particular in these cities where you can’t actually go in any buildings. I see what OP means about the amount of care put in, it just doesn’t translate because of the time and development limitations imo.

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u/mrsaturncoffeetable Nov 28 '22

Totally agree with this. To me it feels like a great deal of love and care was put into the design phase but that the same absolutely cannot be said for the development.

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u/itsLantik Nov 27 '22

They put a "phenomenal" amount of care into everything but the performance it seems. As much care as they could've with their time, which is very Game Freak.

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u/mtgthrowaway31415926 Nov 27 '22

They're putting a phenomenal amount of care into counting sales, we can only wish they put that care into making a game that functions properly.

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Nov 28 '22

I mean they cared as much as gen 5 story.

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u/ParanoidDrone Wishy-Washy Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

The core Pokemon experience of catching and battling is still just as fun as ever. That hasn't changed. But it is the year of our lord 2022. Pokemon is the single highest grossing media franchise in the world and one of Nintendo's flagship IPs. We should not be forced to deal with...

  • NPCs running at 10 FPS if they take two steps away from the player
  • Aggressive LODs to the point that simply moving the camera around in a battle can cause the Pokemon to adopt lower-quality models.
  • Constant and noticeable frame drops.
  • Shadows flickering in and out of existence based on whether I'm looking at my move list in a battle.
  • Pokemon spawning inside walls, aquatic Pokemon spawning on land, and land Pokemon spawning in the water.
  • Horrible environmental texture pixilation.
  • Camera angles that clip underneath the terrain.
  • Taking 5+ seconds just for all the Pokemon icons to appear when moving between boxes.
  • The absolute travesty that is the online raid search.
  • Static RNG seed for battle stadium doubles that makes manipulating accuracy checks trivial.
  • Elite four battle music glitching out completely if the game's been on for too long at that point.

And this isn't even getting into things that could be construed as "nice to haves" such as voice acting, difficulty settings, more interactive towns, or better character customization.

Again, the core Pokemon experience is still fun. But on a technical level, SV does not meet the expectations of a AAA title.

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u/Cascassus Nov 28 '22

Regarding the last point, I was wondering if the entire Elite 4 track was just that same synth over and over. You're telling me it looping that segment was a bug?

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u/TheDankestDreams Nov 28 '22

Wait really? I was really underwhelmed because I expected some epic battle music but now I’m hearing that was a bug? Thank god that was so lame.

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u/ParanoidDrone Wishy-Washy Nov 28 '22

Yep.

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u/callmenier Nov 28 '22

I mean I don’t think anyone is complaining about the gameplay. You have your standard, but to a lot of people a $60 game shouldn’t have triangle hills that looks like it’s from the ps2 era and runs at 15fps. I’m glad you’re having fun, hell even i’m having fun, but an unfinished game is… unfinished.

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u/Noblerook Nov 28 '22

Be me:

-Defeat a long gym leader battle

-Game crashes immediately after

-Cries

-Opens Reddit

-First thing I see is a post saying this is the best Pokémon game ever

-cries again

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u/ThermalFlask Nov 28 '22

It really is sad because this is why for me the series will never hit the heights it used to. Because no matter how low it goes, you still have people insisting it's better than ever

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u/NepGDamn Nov 28 '22

pokemon games have never really been all that good compared to the other brands that came out during the same years. The first two gens were also filled with bugs and bad coding errors, Golden sun is way better than RSE; it could be argued that M&L partners in time is a better rpg than DPP; gen 5 was the peak of GF design (idle/sleeping animations, a dex made only with new pokemon).

everything after gen 5 is just "bland and boring" so yeah, even if SV is filled with bugs and it's unacceptable for such a big brand, it's probably one of the best pokemon games to play

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

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u/saxlax10 Nov 28 '22

What link did you use on their website to give that feedback?

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u/aznmeep Nov 28 '22

I believe there's been reports of people getting replied that they are aware of the issues and are working on fixing it. ETA was a couple of weeks which could mean anytime, honestly.

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u/Tony_omnoms Nov 28 '22

That's great to hear. My complaint was literally 3 days after release, but this is definitely what we as a community need to do. Love Nintendo/ Game Freak, but these half ass games need to be brought up or they'll continue to get away with it and continue to release games like this.

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u/OwMyCandle Nov 27 '22 Silver

No one thinks the gameplay sucks. We’re all complaining about the shitty performance. We’d be understanding if the graphics looks good, but for gods sake it is so barebones. It should not run as it does.

Im collecting pokemon for my living dex rn. Playing the ‘is this box empty or will the icon (not the model) load in five seconds?’ game is not acceptable every time I want to move a monster. I paid $60.

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u/Mutoforma Nov 27 '22

is this box empty or will the icon (not the model) load in five seconds?

That's one of the most aggravating parts of the game for me.

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u/Adnrw_ Nov 27 '22

Along with not having shiny sprites in boxes and the ability to change it for the sprites on the poke dex main. As far as I know this feature was added in PLA (I know it wasn’t present in swsh idk before that as I never had a shiny prior) It was so satisfying to change the sprites in the dex and scroll through it while doing a shiny living Dex to give a clear indicator of your progress have without having to check your boxes

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u/starchimp224 Nov 28 '22

Having the Shiny model of the Pokémon represent them in the Pokédex was a feature in Sword and Shield. Every time I caught a Shiny I would switch the dex over to it

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u/OwMyCandle Nov 27 '22

I have been all about collecting pokemon and organising my boxes since 2002. How much more can they take from me lmao?

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u/Plushiegamer2 Nov 28 '22

They could make the boxes clunky like in gen 1 and 2 again.

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u/BubblyAttitude1 Nov 27 '22

Also you have to hover over new options in the the backpack for like 2 seconds before the red dot disappears 😤

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u/DeadpoolAlpha Nov 28 '22

Which is so strange to me because you can absolutely zoom over the red dots in the Pokédex and they go away. It’s such a tiny thing but it’s big confusing.

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u/Mail540 RIP 21/30 Nov 27 '22 Silver

Towns are bigger then ever except there’s no reason to spend any time in them because there’s a gym 10 food menus and 2 Pokémon centers and that’s it.

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u/OwMyCandle Nov 27 '22

Towns used to be checkpoints for interesting things, like mini-dungeons. Theyve been gym hubs for a while now, unfortunately.

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u/Mail540 RIP 21/30 Nov 27 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

Ironically, more developed towns also made the world feel more wild because there wasn’t a poke center every two feet. The sense of relief when you finally got to a new town and was able to heal, stock up on supplies, and talk to all these new npcs is completely gone

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u/Sorey91 Nov 28 '22

Ironically a lot of the QoL we've been getting kinda makes the towns less relevant to revisit or even make them memorable for one thing like in the past they kinda dispatched the move relearner, the move deleter, the nicknamer, the safari park, casino's/places we could play a mini game in exchange for currency to turn in for rewards, places we could hang out with our pokemon outside their pokeballs or even the cycling route they've removed and never really made an attempt to replace or innovate them in some way. Even the PC being accessible from anywhere is super convenient but like it kinda makes the pokemon center almost irrelevant since you can heal your pokemon with the comp if you feel like traveling to a PC is too far it will just take a bit longer. Really it's a shame that since GF went open world they don't seem to know how to make proper landmarks for their towns, LGA was actually a step in the right direction but they somehow managed to go two steps back for SC/V

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u/Haku_Shin_Flak Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

i gotta be honest, the older games' worlds feel bigger than these new open world games. never thought i'd be saying this about an open world pokemon game, but here we are.

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u/Utertoq Nov 28 '22

I hate the food places so much. I just ignore them..i really miss celadon city.

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u/gojistomp Nov 28 '22

From a strictly world building perspective, I kind of understand having so many different food shops. But from a (much more relatively important) gameplay and practicality perspective, I hate how numerous and spread out the shops are, especially with how little they stand out compared to all the empty, decorative buildings. Either put them all together in a group, or seriously cut down on the total number of shops, because right now it's just ridiculous. It's irritatingly difficult to find other shops like clothing stores with all the visual clutter.

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u/Plushiegamer2 Nov 28 '22

It would be nice if the stores had better theming, like each town would have food that has boosts of a certain type, like the Water gym area would have Water boosts, Bug have Bug boosts and so on.

The only sandwiches I end up making are Great Peanut Butter ones, for the lv. 2 Egg Power.

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u/TBOJ Nov 28 '22

Don’t forget the socks and socks alone store! Check out their one design but in both green AND olive! I heard their owner invented the piano tie

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u/ShiraCheshire Nov 27 '22

People keep saying "it's fun!" about the gameplay without getting that all Pokemon games are fun. All Pokemon games will always be fun. The core mechanic of capturing and battling is in itself so fun that a 12 year old making a ROM hack about their custom Pokemon that they drew in MS Paint will be fun, every time.

Saying having some fun with a Pokemon game makes it great is saying that the most basic core mechanic present in EVERY mainline Pokemon game (and ROM hack, and fangame, and most side games) is worth $70 and applause no matter what.

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u/OwMyCandle Nov 27 '22

They discovered the formula for a fun core experience and a rewarding gameplay loop, undeniably. But yeah, they need to, ya know, implement that core gameplay into a good game lol

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u/Sabaelos Nov 28 '22

That's like eating at a fast food restaurant. You've bought the "super deluxe burger plus" expecting it to be better than the normal one but what you got was only the patty with a pinch of the secret sauce on it. AND YOU PAID FOR THE PRICE OF A FULL FINE DINING EXPERIENCE. You can still like the taste and enjoy it but man, you're clearly being ripped off and you're praising them for it.

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u/snacku_wacku Nov 27 '22 edited Nov 27 '22

Not just perfomance. Set mode gone. Mandatory Exp share again. Starter animations (Decidueye bow, Chesnaught Shield, Delphox wand waving, go look up Cinderace’s Pyro Ball and you’ll cry) gone. Laziest E4 challenge since RBY. Can’t enter buildings anymore.

We need to stop blaming it all on the game running like shit. Yes, that’s by far the biggest issue but it’s not the only issue

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u/OwMyCandle Nov 27 '22

Sleeping pokemon no longer close their eyes.

Believe me, I have all the same issues as everyone. As a customer, I am appalled. Im just responding to the post.

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u/Buez Nov 27 '22

This is the biggest shit, they litteraly have the freaking animations for the old mons, just draw a fucking line where the eyes are and we're all happy.

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u/Yze3 Nov 27 '22

They literally have sleeping animations for all pokémon. They're just only used for camping.

I theorised in another post that this may be a leftover from Arceus, where Pokémon didn't close their eyes with the "sleep" statut because they were only drowsy.

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u/Buez Nov 27 '22

If it's the case that's it's leftover and the game is based on the Arceus engine. WHERE ARE MY FUCKING SHINY SPARKLES

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u/Yze3 Nov 27 '22

They only leftover the bad stuff, of course. Why would they keep the good stuff ? They can't make too many steps in the right direction.

And it's especially infuriating when nearly all the new shinies are barely different.

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u/Buez Nov 28 '22

Except for varoom, i love varooms shiny

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u/sneeplesarereal Nov 28 '22

The shiny symbol doesn’t even appear next to a Pokémon’s name when you’re targeting it, in a battle with it, or when you’ve caught it on the initial pokedex screen anymore either. It’s awful. I love shiny hunting but now I have to pay much more attention to the Pokémon whose shiny isn’t prominently different. And some Pokémon are so small too

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u/xONRTTODELIVERY Nov 27 '22

They literally have blinking animations in the battles

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u/KezuSlayer Nov 27 '22

I find this odd because my Venomoth closes his eyes in the over world

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u/OwMyCandle Nov 27 '22

They sleep in the overworld, just not battles!

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u/64BitDragon Nov 27 '22

This is honestly my biggest issue with the entire game. They made nice, custom animations for Pokémon sleeping, and then didn’t use them. Like what??! Why would that be a good decision..?

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u/OwMyCandle Nov 27 '22

Small indie dev company just forgot

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u/64BitDragon Nov 27 '22

Those poor indie devs. ;(

Sure I enjoyed the game, but things like this are so easy to implement, and they just didn’t.

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u/Mismagius456 Nov 27 '22

Set mode is gone wtf??

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u/snacku_wacku Nov 27 '22

Yup. They keep cutting features and people keep defending it.

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u/covertpetersen Nov 27 '22

Can't turn off animations either

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u/FrancSensei Don't let your dreams be dreams Nov 27 '22

Yeah, people are praising the gameplay like it's the best they've done, but... no?? they just improved the story somewhat, and that is very subjective, but with game mechanics they got rid of a lot of things like you say here, and some of them are replaced by worse, or more broken things, like the sandwiches and the picnics. And the open world is barren and uninspired so not even that

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u/FreshPrinceOfAshfeld Nov 27 '22

Nobody seems to understand the fact that the games have the potential to be so much better and our voices won’t be heard if we keep consuming everything with the “Pokémon” brand on it

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u/OwMyCandle Nov 27 '22

PLA and SV both are summed up as ‘potential.’ Best pokemon games ever made, conceptually, but brought down by the fact that theyre the jankiest pokemon games ever made.

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u/FreshPrinceOfAshfeld Nov 27 '22

And the argument always is “well I had fun so the game is good”. Like obviously you can have fun, I can have fun with shaking keys around. But if you look around at other games being sold for a similar price point you can see that there is much more depth in other titles that don’t rush a game out every year.

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u/OwMyCandle Nov 27 '22

There’s a bigger discussion about media literacy and criticism here. I dont want to get into it, but youre right, essentially.

Personal enjoyment does not constitute aptness. There are more factors at play worthy of analysis. But the general pokemon audience does not want to look beyond the core gameplay loop. I wonder why.

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u/motoxim Nov 28 '22

Yeah like other guy above me said, even a 12 years old can make a fun Pokemon ROM hack.

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u/Sea-Middle-7594 Nov 27 '22

Also really not rockin with the lack of a national dex no shiny indicator and everything is super slow it really is unacceptable for this game to feeling like a game cube game

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u/What_A_Placeholder Nov 27 '22

The graphics are good.

But just the graphics for the main character models and pokemon. You can literally see pattern fabric, cracks, fur, sheen in gorgeous detail.

Everything else is gamecube status.

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u/OwMyCandle Nov 27 '22

Pokemon and characters are undeniably updated.

But hey, dont diss gamecube like that. SSB Melee, Windwaker, Luigi’s Mansion are all gamecube games and look much better!

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u/InterestsVaryGreatly Nov 27 '22

Graphics are not the only thing that are a hog on processing power. They chose to sacrifice graphics over cutting back other resource intensive options.

(I've read the problem is it renders the entire map, if so, that's stupid, they should have had certain parts of the map always render - mountains, lights of that bright city, things you may actually see - and other things only render if nearish. There is also a pretty common method of reducing the polygons of far away objects, hope they do that too.)

But choosing to cut out graphics instead of Pokemon interactions and dynamic spawning imo was a good call, though I suspect some of these aren't terribly optimized if they are chunking that hard.

(The box thing is stupid, they should have realized early on the basic sprites were a much better experience. Or, render the basic 2d sprites immediately, and add the bigger sprites when they load)

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u/jojolantern721 Nov 27 '22

the amount of love and care they put into this game is phenomenal.

If this sentence were true, then the bugs and glitches would be minimum.

Pokémon is never going to change for the good while fanboys keep defending this incompetence, it's crazy how cd project red got hanged with cyberpunk and game freak gets defended

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u/PikachuUwU1 Nov 28 '22

Cyberpunk improved because of the backlash and criticism. Defending S/V in its current state at $60 from one of the biggest IP is not acceptable. It just enables more game crunching, shitty work environment for devs, and over all lower quality.

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u/mossy__cobblestone Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

That line is so odd. I pray this is bait.

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u/BlueLantern84 Nov 28 '22

No you’ll get a lot more of it. Expect a few “Is anyone else just enjoying the game and having an absolute blast?” Posts in the coming days

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u/gojistomp Nov 28 '22

These games are the ones that have given me the strongest feelings of "I can tell what admirable goals you guys had for this product, but you clearly did not have enough time or resources."

So to be nitpicky, I'd say that yes, there is a noticeable amount of love and care put into the games, but they obviously weren't given enough room to truly meet their goals.

But I get the feeling that the people with the power needed to make the proper accommodations are unable or unwilling to give the devs everything they need.

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u/MyKey18 Nov 27 '22

We’re never getting another quality Pokémon game again are we…

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u/motoxim Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

Well, if people already accepting this game as okay, I don't think how on earth GF want to try making better game.

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u/TehPharaoh Nov 28 '22

Op literally said they put phenomenal care into this game. The next game in this series will be worse.

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u/motoxim Nov 28 '22

Yeah if this quality is considered phenomenal I shudder to think what normal quality will be.

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u/VWEqwh2 Nov 28 '22

That's my worry, if people already are prasing this as the best pokemon even done while not caring about all the bugs, asful framerate, lazy ass gym challenges, lack of caves, lack of voice acting as if the pokemon company didn't have the money for it, lack of menus that work properly, hell, even giving potions to my pokemon is a hassle, then yes...We will receive the same next game if not something worse...

Like...instead of trying to get pokemon into BOTW or Xenoblade levels of quality we just gave up and conformed with this, and while the hame is fun I agree, it still lacks so, so much

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u/motoxim Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

I understand them not wanting doing the above bare minimum if even this kind of thing passed. But other game companies will not survive this level of scandal.

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u/OperationGoron Nov 27 '22

Not until it's developed by a different company or they make big internal changes.

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u/Darkiceflame Still waiting for a Zygarde backstory Nov 28 '22

And we all know how likely either of these are to happen...

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u/Sweettooth_97 Tsareena Cha Cha Nov 28 '22

Not as long as posts like these exist and get glorified lol

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u/MegaSwampbert Nov 28 '22

SwSh sales really sealed the deal. Part of me feels that SwSh was almost a test to see how little they could get away with.

They released a curry simulator without a plot and threw a Pokemon logo on it. And it went on to be one of the highest grossing Pokemon games of all time.

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u/PixBebop Nov 27 '22

People aren't saying you can't have fun, they are saying the quality of games is getting lazier and lazier. If you buy this game you are saying you are fine with this product and want more like it and possibly even lazier and more rushed titles in the future. The people complaining are trying to encourage people to stand up for themselves and demand a better product for $70 from one of biggest franchises in the world.

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u/Defiant_Bag_3788 Nov 28 '22

I guarantee if you took Scarlet and Violet and removed the pokemon IP from it, you wouldn't have nearly as many people praising it's gameplay.

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u/ATrollByNoOtherName Nov 27 '22 Helpful

“The amount of love and care they put into this game…”

No.

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u/Argnir Nov 28 '22

Op would have a stroke if they ever get to play any other AAA game lmfao.

Everyone agree that S/V can't even be judged in the same dimension as games/series like BOTW, Xenoblade, TES, Horizons, The Witcher, GoW, Spiderman, Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect, Far Cry, GTA, Demon's Soul, Borderland, etc...

If it was any other franchise making an open world that empty and low quality they would be rosted so hard the whole planet would unify to call Gamefreak out on how lazy/rushed those products are and world peace would be achieved over night.

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u/LaFlameLive4ever Nov 28 '22

I actually laughed out loud when I read that. Like come on.

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u/RaiderxReaper Nov 27 '22

we know its fun its fucking overworld pokemon of course we’ll love it but thats not why we hate it

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u/OralRadiology Nov 27 '22

These posts are all the same "I dont care about all that stuff people are complaining about and I'm having fun". Yeah if you don't care about all it's issues you're probably gonna have a great time but it still has a lot of issues that are ruining for people and the criticisms are perfectly valid.

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u/bored_homan Nov 27 '22

Okay so can you like... discuss the positive aspects?

Because generally I heard and saw how badly this game runs and how unfinished it is. Everyone else is saying "okay get past the problems and its a good game underneath" but what exactly does this entail?

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u/Gamer-Logic Nov 27 '22

I liked how a lot of the new Pokemon looked and their lore like Fuecoco, Tinkaton the little gremlin, Killowattrel, Arboliva, Farigiraf, Tadbuld, Fidough, Clodsire, Mabosstiff, and Greavard, Orthworm, Espathra, etc. Though I didn't care for some like Scovillain's line or Bramblin.

How they all acted in the wild. For example, Pineco, Bounsweet, and Slakoth all hanging from trees, Zorua and Ditto actually disguising themselves as other Pokemon in the wild giving you a surprise, Voltorb exploding if you get close, etc.

The personality Mirai/Korai have and the bond we have with them. I love how much they're like Toothless especially when they love sandwiches. Definitely up there as some of my favorite legendaries now.

The characters and their arcs, for example, Arven, Brassius, Hassel, and Team Star. It really made me care for them a lot.

The Let's Go feature.

The interesting classes you can attend that add to the lore and how they also have midterms and finals. The staff and their mini-arcs are also quite interesting with each having their own personality. My only wish was that Ms. Raifort's story cumulated into her doing something with those sealed mons.

The interesting gym tests. Snowboarding with Grusha, Kofu's auction house, Katy's Olive Roll game, being in Iono's stream, the scavenger hunt for Larry, etc.

How the Rotom phone catches you if you fall from up high

The sheer size of the world. (I'd just get lost exploring for so long and the size made me not mind the cities you couldn't go into though it'd be cool if we could go in them). There were also some areas I thought were really pretty like the Bamboo Forest, the Autumn area, and the whole Great Crater, especially the bottom cavern.

The finale with the twist at the end which made for a very interesting story up there with BW, SM, and Arceus. The professor actually being dead the whole time and the fake one is an A.I., the second Mirai/Korai, etc.

There are definitely problems with performance among others that shouldn't be ignored and deserve to be criticized like Pokemon not closing their eyes when asleep, slow frame rates, clipping, finding some Pokemon and Pokeballs stuck in the ground, the stiff and rough movements that were pretty noticeable early game (though it got better as the game progressed for me like the final cutscene), and the fact that I spent most of the normal gym battle halfway in the ground. However, I also felt that there were many great aspects like those above and it was a genuinely good game but is very much held back by these issues which make it seem like it was rushed and should have been delayed for more fine-tuning. Gamefreak should definitely be criticized for the issues in the game but the game is also genuinley fun.

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u/lunarfrogg Nov 27 '22

Great Pokémon designs, a good story, interesting battles, and amazing characters

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u/Trokag Nov 27 '22

Freedom is a huge one. The second you leave the school to take on the world you can go anywhere that isn't directly blocked off by progession mechanics. Wanna go fight some lv 50s with your fresh starter? Knock yourself out. Gyms can be done in whatever order you feel like, same with titans, and star battles. Wild pokemon can spawn in packs and all have neat mannerisms, making them feel more alive and natural than legends arceus sometimes. All 3 stories are well written, the available pokedex is extremely accessible, raids are (apparently) more fast paced than SwSh but that's just what my friend mentioned. I have no reference for anything SwSh. On top of all of this, there's enough to do in game without dlc that you should be content for a while. The game runs like absolute shit sometimes (5fps weather), and has some of the worst environmental textures I've ever seen, but I thought this absolutely was a treat to play. The game was very good at what it did good and very bad at what it did bad. That's why you're pretty much only going to see polarizing views but I personally had a blast and still do after almost completing my living dex.

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u/AJP14699 Nov 28 '22

Regarding your point on the 'any gym any order'

While true, there was obviously an 'intended route' because of the scaling.

I ended up doing Grushas gym as my 4th or 5th Gym leader because going clockwise, it made the most sense only to realise the leveling of his mons was 10 levels higher, i then realised Grusha is meant to be the last gym leader you face after beating every remaining gym. (I solely focused on the victory road story first before starting Starfall or Titans.)

I love that the gyms can be done in any order but IMO, if there would be no implementation of level scaling according to your total badges, then there should be an intended route/order for the story. It prevents janky continuity and keeps me engaged in fights rather then sweeping everything I 'skipped'. In my case after all the Gyms, I finished the titans route only to be spoiled for the ending of Starfall before starting starfall. Also titan/starfall fights were easy sweeps.

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u/Stobbel1 Nov 27 '22

amount of love and care they put into this game is phenomenal

This is such an insane take i dont know if i should laugh or cry.

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u/LordAsbel Nov 28 '22

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u/nyxe12 Nov 27 '22

The love is there (the writing and music? absolutely slap), the care is not, which is the fault of the company and not the people who actually worked on it - the schedule slog is ridiculous and is ruining the performance of their games. I beat my first run today and I absolutely had a blast and am going to keep playing. But I'm also frustrated that what could have been easily the best Pokemon game has so many fixable issues that could have been smoothed with even a couple months extra time.

The company has SO many resources and zero competition - people are guaranteed to buy their games regardless of when they come out because they have an extremely dedicated fan base. They could afford the time and/or money it would have taken to at a minimum deal with some of the frequent visual glitches, but for some ungodly reason stick to their incredibly demanding and strict release schedule.

I don't care how the rocks look either, and up until this game have been rolling my eyes hard at the "game cube pokemon graphics" flavor of complaints for the last few years, but I DO care when the wild battle forces my camera into the side of a mountain and can't be moved back onto the actual battle, or the E4 music bug happens and I hear the first 3 seconds on a loop and don't even realize the tracks are good until someone else posts about the bug and I have to look them up on youtube, or the tera battles don't register the damage dealt and I have no idea what's going on anymore, etc.

Some of these bugs are just stupid and shouldn't be there because of the kind of company Pokemon is. Some of the decisions that aren't bugs are just... really bad. The game design (not the writing) is pretty poor, and for hammering in the fact that you can do whatever you want in any order you want, that's untrue unless you want to grind a team of level 50s from the start and then destroy every boss in one shot. I'd get some of the weird open world flaws if they were earlier to the open world scene, but they're... not. There's so many open world games that handle the issue of how to handle difficulty scale and GF decided to keep a rigid difficulty structure without properly telling you the order to follow and then pretending they gave you a freeform structure.

I do, honestly, really like these games and do think people should play them. But the flaws that ARE there are just like.... very embarrassing, even if they don't literally break the game, and it makes me worried about what kind of flaws the next game will be released with.

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u/Shadowchaos1010 Nov 28 '22

It's nice to see someone speak sense and recognize the good and the bad both. I like Scarlet, and haven't had anything game breaking, but some of the negativity has been absurd.

Unfortunately, I don't quite know what can be done short of just calling Nintendo and hoping it might mean something.

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u/Gaias_Minion FOrrever Nov 27 '22 edited Nov 27 '22

Exactly what posts did you see that your main takeaway was "how the rocks look"?

Like I get if people don't care about graphics, but there is more than just graphics when it comes to issues in S/V

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u/tokidoe Nov 27 '22

It’s not just graphics, no Pokémon game has “good” graphics and yet every other game has looked better because of the art direction and style. The overworld and textures basically look like Minecraft lol.

That said, the gameplay is fun if you can get past how 2006 it looks. I just can’t play in docked mode and I’m mostly okay.

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u/zernoc56 Nov 27 '22

What I don’t get is how it runs worse in docked mode. Isn’t that supposed to increase performance? There’s definitely some jank in these games

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u/JoseJulioJim Nov 27 '22

Resolution, handheld outputs 720p and docked 1080p, if the game was 720p docked the performance might be much better.

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u/Kreeper125 Nov 27 '22 edited Nov 27 '22

Not sure how docked mode would increase performance. Not like the dock has any special hardware like a GPU or something in it. If anything it would decrease performance since instead of whatever the specs of the display on the handheld are it now has to work harder to display it on a TV

Edit - just checked, in handheld mode the switch only runs at 720p but in docked it runs at 1080p

So yeah, docked is definitely harder to run

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u/wezzaXIX Nov 27 '22

Pretty sure docked mode is supposed to help due to the switch not having to run on battery power which means that it doesn't have to conserve power, so the GPU can run at a higher frequency as it can draw more power. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

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u/InterestsVaryGreatly Nov 27 '22

Switch doesn't have a dedicated GPU, it's all on the CPU. And while yes it can run harder, simply rendering at 1080p instead of 720p is more than double the load, so that boost goes to higher resolution, not the other changes. If we could set dock to remain at 720p, that would be a really smooth experience.

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u/XIIISkies Nov 27 '22

I would like to argue that both of the Let’s Go games had at the very least “good” graphics

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u/Kingslayer1337 Nov 27 '22

What is there to actually do in the end game? I haven't played too much, but based on what I saw from my friend's gameplay it seemed like there wasn't really anything. It also seemed like they pared back the online features as well compared to previous games.

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u/PwndKitty Nov 27 '22

You can go back and fight all the gym leaders again, go after some legendaries. That's pretty much it other than filling the Dex.

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u/MrSoris89 Nov 28 '22

You can only rematch them once tho

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u/voggers54 Nov 28 '22

i think 6 star raids are fun as well and require having well built pokemon(s) to complete

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u/Isnomniac Nov 28 '22

Gym leader rematches, battles against all the teachers and staff and rivals, completing the extensive Pokédex, finding the 4 hidden legendaries, evolving Gimmighoul, shiny hunting, and catching the extra legendary at the bottom of the crater. Also, online battling has been a blast due to it not connecting with Home yet, people actually have to get creative

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u/Leidaans Nov 27 '22

From what I’ve heard, this is potentially the most barren postgame yet. Even SwSw had a better postgame, which is baffling. There’s isn’t even a battle tower.

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u/Togder Hyper Beam. Nov 28 '22

It's fun but... love and care? Come on bro. You're lying to yourself.

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u/Ekyanso Nov 28 '22

Pictured here is the reason we'll never get a high quality Pokémon game again.

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u/SquidF0x Nov 28 '22

OP hasn't posted in 2 years and suddenly this comes out of the woodwork with millions of upvotes and awards. Totally not a botted post, or a bought stolen account.

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u/Kanuck3 Water can flow, or it can crash Nov 27 '22 edited Nov 27 '22

If you don't like it then just return it, but don't be like me and not get the game just because of negative posts on Reddit.

See this is your problem right here. Nintendo does not usually refund games. The only reason they are this time is exactly because of the backlash you're saying not to listen to.

Video Games have always depended on people giving their opinion so others may make an informed choice. Saying 'you should just take the risk' is like saying 'actually pre-orders are great'.

I put about ten hours of time into it before I was able to take advantage of the refund exception. I found it to be the most lifeless and slow paced Pokemon game yet. So that's my feedback. If you're loving it, that's great. That doesn't mean you're feedback is any more reliable than anyone else's. There's lots of reasons to want feedback from many people before you buy.

Edit: oh and I can't believe how little attention is given to how bad the camera is in this game... It was my final straw.

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u/Dennis-unlighted Nov 27 '22

The Story Is really really great, but the performance issues and the low Graphics is nothing that should happen in 2022

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u/Noir_Vena_Cava Nov 27 '22

Reddit told you, you would get a bad looking game with performance issues and you got a bad looking game with performance issues

Having fun or not having fun is irrelevant

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u/azul360 The One True Fairy Nov 27 '22

These posts are starting to border on toxic positivity just like the toxic negativity that is also permeating comments too. It's ok to love a game and be critical of it too and I think people are forgetting that.

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u/Rizzan8 Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

the amount of love and care they put into this game is phenomenal

'love and care' by releasing unfinished, unpolished product where a lot of stuff is implemented in a half-assed way and is missing a lot of features from the previous games.

Nice try GameFreak employee.

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u/dReDone Nov 28 '22

One thing that gets me is one of the starter evolutions Floragato can use Bite. The animation for the cat is it slashing the opponent, then a bite animation happens. Wow. SO lazy!

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u/6soul Nov 27 '22

The constant 20 fps just makes me feel sick so I genuinely can't play them, had to return them for this reason.

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u/UnderlightIll Nov 27 '22

My fiance is really attuend to fps and such whereas I am not. I have played 45 hrs and he is just beginning. So i get it.

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u/Kaylewings Nov 27 '22

The best Pokémon game? “The amount of love and care they put into this game is phenomenal”? It shows that your first Pokémon game was SwSh. Scarlet and Violet are indeed very fun at their core, but they are far from being perfect and we, as consumers, NEED to call the triple A game company for releasing a game subpar in quality. People like you are exactly why we’ll never see the improvements we deserve in future Pokémon games.

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u/meepo6 Nov 28 '22

Thanks Mr.BallSack. You've changed my opinion.

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u/tuedrunk Nov 28 '22

This game runs fine on my switch it makes me wonder if it’s because it’s a newer switch or because I didn’t digitally download it or something because there are so many posts complaining

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u/HMKS Nov 27 '22

PLA was the opposite of this game for me. It was so out of the box for Pokémon and I genuinely enjoyed playing every second of that game. I’d recommend it despite the performance issues.

Scarlet and Violet though… I can’t in good conscience recommend it to anyone who is on the fence the way it currently runs. It’s a full-price game at $80 Canadian.

2-3 students can barely swing their legs in a cutscene. A CUTSCENE! With nothing else moving…

I enjoyed the game but it absolutely isn’t acceptable how poorly it performs in comparison with recent switch releases like Xenoblade Chronicles 3. If/when it’s patched, I definitely think it’s a solid entry in the main line games. Some nice changes (I wish they’d done more), but you really can’t do much in the game without being reminded of the performance issues.

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u/AShinyTorchic Nov 28 '22

You can like the game but calling this “the best Pokémon game they’ve ever released” is insane fanboyism

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u/VWEqwh2 Nov 28 '22

Bro...Returning is not easy

But don't be a crazy fanboy pokemon that can't see the hame does feel jalf assed in maaany aspects...

And compared to other rpgs and even konster catching games, pokemon is still kind of meh

As a pokemon game is noce! I like the open areas but man...Where are the side missions? Where is the voice acting? Wat that too expensove for game freak?

Where are the interiors? Game freak wasn't able to do interiors?

Where are the caves? Forests?

Where are the puzzles to find the titans? Do you remember in emerald how we had to solve puzzles as easy or hard they were to find pokemons?

No underwater this time too I guess?

Sorry but some landscapes do look kind of awful and an amazing view just becomes an ugly mess to see....

Where is the challenge? Do you like being treated like a 5 year old that cannot stand up for a little bit of a challenge?

Guys, this is why the entire gaming community thinks you will receive anything and be ok with it, because as consumers of a billion dollar company you seem to have 0 respect for yourselevs as consumers...

The game is fun, don't get me wrong, but it's now groundbreaking even if you compare it to previous pokemons, it's finally something new and different, and it's fun but man....There are still many many things that are lacking from the game

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u/Eitvids Nov 28 '22

sadly i dont have the patience i used to. to go through a laggy mess even if the game is fun i simply cannot enjoy it

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u/May_die Nov 27 '22

It's a fun game but you can't ignore the technical issues. Pokemon is the most successful franchise on the planet, why settle for such shit quality?

This attitude is why the games will continue to deteriorate because people will still buy them regardless of what they take away or what is not finished

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u/Me4aRZ I choose you! Nov 27 '22

I’ll probably get flak for saying this but it’s even unfair to compare it to Cyberpunk 2077 because at least with that game you had different platforms of varying degrees of power/performance so that you could at least enjoy the game to an extent if you weren’t playing on Xbox One/PS4. Granted it still had its bugs but the bugs were no different than a Bethesda title that we glorified into memedom and hilarity.

But what I’m seeing from S/V especially in the Digital Foundry video is that it’s performance and stability is lacking across the board even compared to a similar game from the same company that released nine months prior with Legends Arceus.

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u/AW038619 Splashing all the way Nov 28 '22

People aren't nitpicking what the rocks look like. They're talking about major performance issues that materially affect gameplay and hinder enjoyment of the game, and in some instances even crash the game. Stuff like menu icons stuck on the screen, no-clipping through the ground, Koraidon/Miraidon disappearing mid-ride. People are right to call Game Freak out on their incompetence and point out the fact that they shipped out an incomplete product for which they are charging people full price.

If they patch all these issues, will the game be amazing? Absolutely. But until they do, they are profiting off a product of horrendous technical quality.

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u/BasilNight Nov 27 '22

Oh man these posts again... Most (reasonable) people can agree that yes the game is fun but releasing a AAA like this is unacceptable and SHOULD NOT be supported.

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u/YammaTamma Nov 27 '22

Mfer played for 60hrs after looking at a couple of posts when the game released. Nobody is saying its a bad game underneath, just the graphics and frames are terrible which is objectively true

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u/steamtowne Nov 27 '22

don’t be like me and not get the game just because of negative posts on Reddit.

Wait, I thought you ignored those posts and, thanks to that decision, enjoyed the game. I think you mean to say “be like me” lol

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u/genesis-92 Nov 27 '22

It has issues, but it's also very fun! I think it's right to call out the issues as it'll never get better if we don't, but it's also ok to just enjoy the game.

I'm loving it so far, I laugh at the 2fps windmills and people in the backgrounds but GF and Nintendo need to be called out for poor performance aswell.

Glad you're having fun with it too OP.

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u/swords112288 Nov 28 '22

I'm sorry but did you do any of the Team Star bases yet? Having to click R 5-10 times at each group to send out pokemon was infuriating for a feature like Auto Battle...

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