r/pokemon Nov 26 '22 Silver 1

Having a trainer themed around Eevee and not releasing a new Eeveelution in a new generation was a missed opportunity Discussion / Venting

Not sure why Gamefreak hasn't made a new Eeveelution yet, but if they were gonna, this generation should have been it.

Just finished battling [redacted] at the end of the [redacted] quest and thought it was a cool battle. But just imagine if their ace pokemon was a new Eeveelution.

Also! Imagine if that new Eeveelution was locked behind an item/mechanic you obtain from beating said trainer. That would have been an amazing award for completing the quest/story and made your new Eeveelution felt earned.

Not sure what type they would have gone with, but it still should have been done.

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u/KNightedgem Nov 27 '22

The fact that Penny had her hair color matching the old Dragon-type icon and the fact that you receive Draco Meteor for beating the encounter felt like a big tease for a new Dragon Type Eeveelution. 😩

Like for goodness sakes, we have a tera-type Eevee event going on right now!

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u/Mary-Sylvia Nov 27 '22

Also the fact that she gives you a dragon themed item tho

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u/PapaProto Nov 26 '22

It saddens me they seem to have stopped bringing new Eeveelutions. I never did get my Dragon or Ghost…

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u/swizzler Evolve... Why? Nov 26 '22

I think dexit is the reason they quit giving eevee new evolutions. Eevee is probably one of the "this is always gonna be in there" pokemon alongside magikarp and pikachu, but every game with eevee is also going to have every evolution, which might mess up how many they can bring if they're locking base game dex at 400 every game going forward. Someone else in the thread mentioned rock/steel paradox eevee, that woulda been neat.

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u/Sanguinusshiboleth Nov 26 '22

Yeah, this is most likely why no new Eeveelution.

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u/EggotheKilljoy Nov 26 '22

Part of me is hoping for one to be released in a future DLC after the end of Pokémon Journeys and have Chloe’s Eevee evolve into the new evolution. It was the theory before it was confirmed there was no eeveelution, I doubt It’ll actually happen but it would be a pleasant surprise.

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u/Zandrick Nov 27 '22

I think her Eevee is like Pikachu and won’t ever evolve.

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u/Beelzebuth4269 Nov 27 '22

I could see them doing like Past Leafeon/Espeon and Future Glaceon/Umbreon or something

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u/Phairis Nov 27 '22

Yeah I bet they could do alt forms of each Eevee as a gimmick in a future game. I don't know what type they'd match up to what evolution but it would be fun to see. Honestly, I think they should have two sets of evolutions, special types like we have, and physical types that we're lacking. This way they can switch off every gen or so but still have every type. They could also have some spin off centered around them where all 18 types are available.

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u/MiscItems Down to clown! Nov 27 '22

Or past form eevee rock type and future form Steel type

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u/thedoc90 Nov 26 '22

I still can't understand the rationale behind dexit anyway.

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u/LilThiqqy Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 27 '22

From what I’ve gathered it’s an amalgamation of different reasons, but the main one is that it’s just not sustainable when you’re introducing ~100 new designs every 3 years. At some point it would’ve been too many and the dex cut was just inevitable, and they probably figured it was better to just do it sooner rather than later

Now of course the solution here is to just stop putting out new games every 3 fucking years which they shouldn’t be doing anyway, but gotta keep that cash coming in somehow I guess

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u/DarthSangheili Nov 27 '22

"I just cant carry all of these Pokemon!"

"Then maybe stop picking them up"

frantically staking more Pokemon

"Do what?"

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Nov 27 '22

Now of course the solution here is to just stop putting out new games every 3 fucking years which they shouldn’t be doing anyway, but gotta keep that cash coming in somehow I guess

Its the schedule fault. Theyd love to take their time

Tpc and anime and merch dont.

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u/LilThiqqy Nov 27 '22

Yeah exactly, management doesn’t really care about the games because they’re basically just vessels for the merchandise anyway

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Nov 27 '22

Ive only played halfway through SV and the story and characters are there.

It just needed time.

To say gamefreak is lazy when the story/characters have vastly improved is imo a slap to gf's face after fans have been complaining about SWSH story.

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u/LilThiqqy Nov 27 '22

Yeah I mean I didn’t say GF were lazy in any way, they clearly had great ideas for SV that they just didn’t have time to flesh out. They released a completely unfinished product but it wasn’t necessarily their fault, I’m sure they were aware of all the obvious issues and wouldn’t have released it in that state if it were up to them

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Nov 27 '22

Im not saying you sorry. Shouldve worded it better.

I meant posts that kept shitting on gamefreak and saying they are lazy... like, hello? Theres effort put in.

Its just time thats the problem. Lazy isnt the right argument for them, if they were lazy the three stories would be like XY standard.

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u/AlbainBlacksteel Best Boi Bulbasaur! Nov 27 '22

but the main one is that it’s just not sustainable when you’re introducing ~100 new designs every 3 years

Is it really, though? SwSh had every single Pokémon completely finished (with full stats, model data, animations, sounds, and textures) in its data - they just had to be enabled via modders in order to be accessed.

And this was with the game not even taking up a full 16gb cartridge (only 10.3gb of it).

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u/tokidoe Nov 27 '22

It makes sense in a vacuum not to have every Pokémon game have every Pokémon. But when you’re charging people for Pokémon home, with the promise that they can keep using their old Pokémon forever? Becomes a little bullshit imo, and I’m not someone who even uses home or plays pokemon that way.

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u/ImperfectWolf Nov 27 '22

It was absolute nonsense in Sh/Sw, they claimed it was because there was all these new models to deal with, but then it turned out the returning mons were using the same models as ever so their being cut felt like a horrible slap in the face. Legends: Arceus and S/V actually updated their models across the board so they justified it slightly better, but it's still stupid that so many pokemon are just straight up gone until gamefreak has the whim to include it in a new game or an update/dlc.

And even worse was BDSP acting like nothing beyond gen 4 existed, which meant that there was a couple of dozen mons that weren't featured in any gen 8 game at all, they were trapped in HOME for the entire generation. That problem is only going to get worse as the total number of pokemon increases; if they stick with the ~400 in the base game thing, the percentage of the total pokemon featured in any given game is only going to shrink as time goes on

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u/LionIV Nov 27 '22

Gen 5 starters have been locked to Home since the introduction of Dexit. Got a shiny Tepig I can’t use or transfer to a game where I can play. Literally, in Poke Jail.

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u/LilThiqqy Nov 27 '22

Oh for sure, they absolutely could’ve included every Pokémon in SwSh or SV if they wanted to. I don’t think every single one should be catchable in the main game, but it’d at least be nice if you could transfer them in from home afterwards or something. Especially with the DLC- you had 400 that were in the base game, then added like 200 with the DLCs- at that point, why not just include them all? Why purposely exclude those specific 200-300?

I can get why they did it, it just sucked that there was never any input from the fans or community in that decision. GF just arbitrarily decided which Pokémon they wanted to include and if your favorite didn’t make the cut, then you’re just shit out of luck for the next few years

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u/Chris908 Nov 27 '22

Omg yes, my fave Pokémon was weepinbell before gen 8. This is now the second game I can’t use them in. I am disappointed

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u/Concerned_mayor Nov 27 '22 edited Nov 27 '22

At the same time though, boy it does not sound fun to have a serious meta threat completely unavailable to you because you didn't buy X game, and bought Y subscription to transfer it to Z game

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u/LilThiqqy Nov 27 '22

True, ultimately I don’t hate the dex cut or anything I just think it could’ve been handled a bit better on their end

I still think the issue lies with them incessantly pushing out new games on a strict 3 year schedule when that’s just not what the series needs right now. I don’t think anyone would really complain if they took an extra two years of development to actually finish their games, especially considering how many spin offs and remakes they’ve been pushing out lately

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u/Red_Naxela_ Nov 27 '22

I understand why they can’t feasibly add every Pokémon in existence to a new region. What I don’t get is why we can’t still transfer any Pokémon to newer games. Sun and Moon did this, they had a limited regional dex but still allowed you to transfer any previous Pokémon into the game. As far as I can tell, they’re using the exact same engine as S/M, with the exact same Pokémon models and animations and cries. So why can’t we transfer old Pokémon?

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u/loomman529 Still catching em all Nov 27 '22

It's so they could bring us "higher quality animations."

Double kick: allow me to introduce myself.

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u/DyslexicBrad Nov 26 '22

The previous few games have been rushed messes. Now imagine how bad the issues would've been if they had to have more than double the current number of Pokemon in them.

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u/Liramuza Nov 26 '22

FOMO is the best and simplest explanation. Want to play with a Glup Shitto? Better buy this game cos the next ones won’t have him, they’ll have a Blip Blippins instead!

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u/ChongusTheSupremus Nov 26 '22

That doesn't really make sense tho, as they know people will buy the game regardless of whether Glup or Blip is in the dex.

ShSw were the first games with dexcut, and they became one of the second best selling pokemon games ever. Sure, part of that was due to it being the first home console release, but there are also the hardcore fans that will never skip a game, the casuals that don't care about the dexcut, the competitive fans that need the games, and just overall extra casual fans that will pick up anything popular.

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u/mute-owl Nov 27 '22 edited Nov 27 '22

I'm convinced it's to keep peoples' money invested in Pokemon Home. Lots of 'mons are stuck there and sunk cost fallacy, yadda yadda... Dex cut equals lots of people unwilling to lose Pokemon between gens, so they keep renewing their Home subscription. It's not that expensive of a service, but I do believe it was the driving factor. It makes these pointless, meaningless bunch of pixels on screen make them more money than the games did alone.

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u/Radi0ActivSquid UM Living Dex 807/807 Nov 27 '22

That's part of why I haven't gotten into these new generations. I hate the idea of moving my Living Dex on Ultra Moon up into Home and not being able to use a lot of the mons.

I've tried playing SwSh to go for a Home Dex but I just can't get into the games. They're kinda boring and hand-holdy to me. I also hate the Gigantimax crap.

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u/Guardianpigeon Nov 27 '22

Nah the best and simplist explanation will always be that the 3 year Pokemon cycle is cancer and not good for something as complex as game development.

Even when they future proof those Pokemon there is still effort needed to put them in the game. The more Pokemon, the more effort, and it can get worse if there's an error in porting them that some people blame for the original Dexit.

Additionally, Pokemon as a franchise is growing in scale. An open world game takes a lot more effort than fixed routes or segmented open world zones. And as graphics and tech improves so do the demands of the players, and they're at least trying to catch up even if they're failing.

So as the scale of these games keep growing larger, so too do the amount of corners they need to cut. They can't have VA because that's too much effort, they need that extra time focused elsewhere. They can't have over 1000 Pokemon, cut it down to 400 and save us some time. Don't even bother with set mode or EXP share toggles, we need every second we can get. That's the guiding principle of Pokemon these days. Corperate greed demands a generation every 3ish years so cut as many corners as we can to get that product out. It's made worse by their small dev team as well. Any sensible company would have created multiple studios to rotate like CoD does, but they realize that people buy the games anyway so they don't need to spend money to do that. FOMO and DLC sales are just extra bonuses.

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u/Rentlar Nov 27 '22

Not exactly related to your point, but I just wanted to say that Shitto means "Jealousy" or "Envy" in Japanese. You crafted a good Pokémon name to highlight your point about FOMO, lol.

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u/AveragePichu Leafeon :) Nov 27 '22

Glup Shitto is a recurring meme that I first heard from Vinny Vinesauce a year or two ago, but likely existed before that

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u/conye-west Nov 26 '22

Charitable explanation: the amount of Pokemon is ever increasing to the point where there will eventually be so much it's just nearly impossible to fully support them all, so they're cutting it off pre-emptively.

Realistic explanation: they can get away with doing much less while also not losing any sales, so why wouldn't they?

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '22

I think the explanation is that there are now over 1000 mons and it's just not feasible with the team, time and budget they get to be able to animate that.

Not many monster-taming games offer you a roster of 400 mons.

I don't think its anything sinister like FOMO tbh

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u/NurseTaric Nov 26 '22

For competitive play it definitely made it a lot better but then they released all the busted ass legendaries anyway so it didn't matter at the end, for a casual playthrough it's not at all impactful but for a fun challenge mode or something similar it definitely sucks.

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u/thedoc90 Nov 26 '22

It might be nice for comp, but gamefreak has repeatedly stated that they don't consider competitive when making decisions so that can't be their rationale.

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u/delecti Nov 26 '22

Honestly I don't think it's the worst thing. If there are 600, 800, 1000 Pokemon in each game, then a lot of people won't even bother trying. I sure wouldn't. I filled my national dex way back in HeartGold, and since then have more or less only bothered with the regional dex.

More cynically, the fact that it saves them effort is surely not a downside for them either. Even just deciding how old Pokemon interact with new mechanics requires a bit of work, and spread across hundreds of Pokemon that adds up. And that's leaving out the super basic things like updating the lists of egg/TM/levelup moves to account for new additions. Add on the ability to sell Home subscriptions, plus drip feeding additions in DLC, and I'm sure it's a no brainer for them.

I totally get why there are people who don't like it, my favorite Alakazam isn't in S/V and that stings, but I think it's probably the smarter choice overall.

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u/legandaryhon Nov 26 '22

The stated reason isn't necessarily bad; we're at over one thousand Pokemon now. That's a lot of models to animate, a lot of pokemon to balance, and a lot of data to store. (The stated reason being, "By reducing the amount of pokemon included in the game, we are able to spend more time on improving other areas of the game.")

Naturally, the stated reason doesn't match application... Or worse, it does, and that proves how ineffective the team at GameFreak is.

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u/thedoc90 Nov 26 '22

It was objectively untrue even, considering data mines proved the returning Pokémon used the same animations and models as in previous games.

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u/AveragePichu Leafeon :) Nov 27 '22

Even if that’s true it’s not a simple drag and drop, the SwSh leaked beta had a drag-and-drop port job on the animations and as a result a lot of animations didn’t work right

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u/Animegamingnerd Buff the Puff Nov 27 '22

Back in 2020, a beta build for Sword & Shield leaked online and indicated Gamefreak did use the Sun & Moon as a basis and try to get the full roster in. But there was a lot of optimization and changes that had to be done in order for them to work right.

https://www.polygon.com/2020/10/22/21528532/pokemon-sword-shield-leak-beta-prototype-early-build-cut-monsters-nintendo-switch-game-freak-4chan

https://twitter.com/Katy_Mayy/status/1319043808097685504

Dexit was simply due to a lack of time and challenges with HD development along with an expanded scope.

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u/blacknova84 Nov 26 '22

The big problem with saying its a lot animate is they literally son the Sun and Moon games with the promise of "future proofing all the models" I specifically remember GF bragging about this and then the next gen using the excuse of needing to animate all of them, etc as to why they weren't putting all of them in anymore.

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u/JustCozi Nov 27 '22

I think it's mostly because having over 1000 different high quality 3D models would have been a lot of storage space. Games like Xenoblade and Breath of the Wild done have this issue because later enemies are recolored versions of early game ones. A bonus of this would be exclusivity and FOMO, which is what most people focus on and get upset about.

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u/GhostOfMuttonPast Nov 27 '22

I think the best answer is that they can't get every pokemon in when they're releasing a big title every year.

Like, think about it, SV is the third Game Freak release in a year. There's been 6 games or expansions in the past 5 years. We're not working under pixel art anymore, making, rigging, and animating 3D models is a time consuming effort, and when you probably only have 2-3 years to actually make the game and the rest of your company is making 1 or 2 other games, things are gonna have to be cut.

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u/ASK_ME_FOR_TRIVIA Nov 27 '22

Honestly, it was due to happen at some point. The Pokedex is only going to be getting bigger, and from what we've seen Gamefreak has trouble building a game even with half the roster. Eventually we were going to hit a point where Lanturn just isn't worth the data/man power.

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u/Concerned_mayor Nov 27 '22

I don't think dexit is the reason.

I remember watching a (I think a lockstin) video on the topic.

All the current eevees are based on special types pre physical/special split with the exception of fairy, but come on, if they added fairy to RSE I doubt they'd make it physical

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u/bobert680 Nov 27 '22

Eeveelutons are all special types from before the special split in gen 4. There are no new ones because there are no more special types left

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

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u/ar4757 Squirtle Squad Nov 26 '22

but not carrying over features from game to game was an earlier mistake than Dexit

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '22

Mega Evolution was a mistake. Especially for pokemon like Sableye and Mawile who now arent going to get proper evolutions because of it.

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u/TheCruncher bbb-baka Nov 27 '22

I have never been happier that Dunsparce was ignored until now. A proper evolution beats a Mega in the long run.

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u/kipthunderslate Nov 26 '22

I feel like the 'dex cut just goes against one of the major core themes of the game since second gen, that trainers should use their favorites rather than just what is strong or weak.

The problem with dexit is that every pokemon is someone's favorite, and the excuse of "well you can just play the older games" is kind of a cop out. I don't think every pokemon should be catchable in each game, but you should be able to transfer them into the game from Home after story completion like the National Dex days.

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u/Hellion998 Nov 26 '22

Exactly! Gamefreak can make a Pokémon game with EVERY Pokemon in it, because they’re really just importing the same animations from the previous games, and that means less time for implementing them.

Gamefreak decided: “No, we need new animations instead for the games.” SwSh comes out, and… none of the new animations are there, so they’re definitely obnoxious losers.

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u/kkjdroid Nov 26 '22

"Making 3D models is hard!"

But reusing them isn't, and the mons you didn't cut are still using models from Stadium 2. If you're using Espeon's model from the N64, you can use Granbull's as well.

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u/Locke_and_Load Nov 26 '22

Also goes against the series fucking tag line of “gotta catch ‘em all”.

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Nov 27 '22

Thats only in the anime and never was the japanese slogan.

Japanese is just, Pokemon getto daze, aka Pokemon i caught you.

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u/Vexesf Nov 26 '22

That was just marketing for the west, "Gotta Catch 'em All" was not a thing in Japan. Also that slogan hasn't been used since like 2003 iirc.

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u/Vore_Daddy Nov 26 '22

You can evolve Eevee into a ghost type using a special stone called a brick.

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u/throwaway_SoUnsure Nov 26 '22

Any type can be a ghost type if you try hard enough!

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u/kkjdroid Nov 26 '22

It's a lot harder with Steel-types, though. Throw a brick at a Metagross and you'll be a Ghost-type.

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u/m00njunk Nov 26 '22

this is how I imagine you get a froslass from a snorunt

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u/Stealfur Nov 27 '22 edited Nov 27 '22

I remember seeing someone on reddit post some concept are for all other types and it was soo fucking cool. If I had one wish in the world it would be... well probably something better like no more bed bugs or something. But if I had more wishes then on the wish list is Game Freak hires this person and lets them make those awesome Eevees. I'll try and fine them and add a link if I do.

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Found them u/PTickles

Here's a link to one of my favorites

They also of other pokemon. Everything is so cool. Serious Game freak! Hire them! Please... unless they don't want the job...

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u/PTickles Nov 27 '22

Hey, thanks for the shout-out!

Also, if GameFreak is somehow reading this, I'd love the job lol

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u/Ozora10 Nov 26 '22

I want a winged flying type Eevee first

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u/Galgus Dig in! Nov 26 '22

Hawkeon is incredible.

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u/Liramuza Nov 26 '22

This is… actually really good? Wow. If I were the dictator of Pokémon I’d have a region based on ancient Egypt and premiere this bad boy in it.

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u/Galgus Dig in! Nov 26 '22

That'd be a great fit.

Guardeon would have been the perfect fit for Sword and Shield, though Hunneon is my favorite fan 'vee.

Maybe we'd get a regional Lucario in an Egypt region.

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u/PapillonsRevenge Nov 27 '22

Wow, why did this never occur to me? Why does Lucario look Egyptian?

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u/Galgus Dig in! Nov 27 '22

Anubis is popular I guess.

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u/danjo3197 LET'S ROLLOUT Nov 26 '22

Yes but it misses an opportunity for Pigeon

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u/Ozora10 Nov 26 '22

I saw a different version thats basically like this but skyblue and its incredible

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u/Simalf Nov 26 '22

what about poison?

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u/EmilioSantos7 Nov 26 '22

Same here. Those are my favorite types.

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u/WhattaTravesty customise me! Nov 26 '22

Impatiently waiting on a ghost Eevee

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u/CyborgJiro Nov 27 '22

id love ghost

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u/metalflygon08 What's Up Doc? Nov 27 '22

I mean, Dragon's really the only one we should get if the trend is actually real.

We need a Physical Eevee counterpart.

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u/Peach198 Nov 26 '22

Should have done a Rock type to represent the past and a Steel type to represent the future.

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u/Mushlover14 Nov 26 '22

This would be great for the DLC

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u/ZeackyCremisi Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

I can see 2 dlc for this, one is a Gen 6 tie in. Since it kinda make sense regions are close together.

Edit: fix the gen

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u/mesabiral Nov 26 '22

Gen 6 you mean? Kalos?

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '22

Getting Kalos/France as an entire second game area would be fire.

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u/ZeackyCremisi Nov 26 '22

Opps. My bad, yes. I barely played gen 5/6. It was the gens i did not get at release or ever until way past it czme out.

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u/Triaspia2 Nov 26 '22

Depends if they go fossil or ghost for a past theme

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u/Le_Graf Nov 26 '22

I'd rather get dragon type or ground type than rock, viability wise, though

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u/dusknoir90 Nov 27 '22

The only issue with a Rock type Eeveelution is they distribute the stats in a way which is more or less typical for the type, so you can guarantee it'll have 130 in defence and 110 in Attack, probably 95 in either HP or special defence, and garbage Speed. We already have so many Rock types with similar spreads, it would probably be even less used than Glaceon.

A fast special attacking Rock Eeveelution would be cool though.

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u/Arcane_Soul Nov 26 '22

They should have made Dragon type in gen 6 at the same time as Sylveon. It would have been a nice way to highlight he new Fairy type (much the same way Umbreon showed off the new dark type while also introducing a psychic eevee, at the time psychic being the strongest type.)

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u/GenericMan92 Nov 27 '22

Also Dragon is the last of the "Special" types before the Gen 4 split, at least that was always my reason for prioritizing it over the other types getting an Eeveelution

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u/Richard_Galvin Nov 27 '22

I thought Dragon was a physical type before the split.

Edit: Turns out I was incorrect. I definitely am surprised there hasn't been one now.

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u/GuyorG1rl Nov 27 '22

They also could've done it for galar showing a possible rivalry between galar and kalos. Like in real life with France and England.

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u/DarkNubentYT Nov 27 '22

She gave us Draco Meteor TM and legit had a Sylveon. Draconeon missed opportunity

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u/botbattler30 Nov 26 '22

There was such a heavy focus on Eevee in this generation, so the lack of a new eeveelution really just comes across as Gamefreak going “Ha! Gotcha!” and I don’t like it.

There was a whole arc in the anime about an Eevee that couldn’t evolve that really started to ramp up after SV were announced, there are static terastal encounters for every eeveelution, the trainer whose whole team is eeveelutions, etc.

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u/SomeRandomGuy453 Nov 26 '22

Don't forget the tera raid Eevee event that's going on RN

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u/Karsa69420 Nov 26 '22

Where is it? I forgot all about it

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u/SomeRandomGuy453 Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

Honestly I'm a little fuzzy on the details but

I'm pretty sure it's everywhere.

I think any of the tera raid you find can be a 3* Eevee

Edit: Seems like they can be 4 or 5* as well

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u/So0meone Nov 26 '22

They can be all except 6*

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u/CrownedWoomy64 Nov 27 '22

THERE ARE 6 STAR RAIDS?

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u/So0meone Nov 27 '22

Yep, you unlock them in the post game

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u/CrownedWoomy64 Nov 27 '22

They're gonna kill me

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u/ZoroeArc Totally a human, not a zoroark... Nov 27 '22

There's an upcoming event that will feature 7 star raids

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u/SomeRandomGuy453 Nov 27 '22

Do you happen to know how? All I can find is 5. I've heard you need to beat a bunch of those and you'll get a phonecall saying 6 raids are showing up but I went up to my waist in 5* raids. Spent a day and a half grinding them out, got more herba mystica then I'll ever use, and still haven't gotten a call.

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u/So0meone Nov 27 '22

Have you done the gym rematches and school tournament?

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u/SomeRandomGuy453 Nov 27 '22

Not yet. I take it that's necessary?

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u/aceofspadez138 El Toro Nov 27 '22

The upcoming Charizard event will have 7 star raids

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u/Routine-Ad6705 Nov 27 '22

Char in December is set to be 7 star

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u/Karsa69420 Nov 26 '22

Ok, I just unlocked 3* raids so maybe soon!

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u/Kholtien Nov 27 '22

I’ve also seen 1* as well, normal typing though, so useless

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u/theskyisbig27 Nov 26 '22

I feel like this would’ve been a good opportunity to add a new/stronger normal type eevee.

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u/CallMeLittleHardDad Nov 26 '22

As someone that used to really like super novices back when I played ragnarok because the gimmick was just funny to me, I'd absolutely love this.

Since eevees whole thing is that it's DNA is unstable it'd be funny if a cure for that was discovered by using an ever stone on it to make it evolve into whatever an eevee would naturally evolve into without the influence of the other stuff that alters its form to change from normal type.

Maybe even give it protean as a hidden ability so it still carries on that multi type evolution gimmick.

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u/King_XDDD Nov 26 '22

That would be awesome with an everstone, I would love Eeveeon.

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u/Ellurion Nov 26 '22

Glad to find a fellow RO player. I was a sniper / assassin main but tried out every job. Yeah a normal eeveelution would be great and the opposite of dudunsparce whose purpose is to still be "boring"

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u/GeoleVyi Nov 26 '22

It's double normal type

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u/Old-Moonlight Nov 26 '22

Just a normal real life fox.

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u/AxisAlpha Nov 26 '22

If it’s stats were good enough swords dance + last resort could be strong, especially with Tera normal

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u/Squire_Zorba Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 27 '22

A Normal Eevee evolution would have made a great paradox pokemon. Theory(not mine) relating to stuff in the ending: There's a few hints relating to the time machine that paradox pokemon might not be real at all, and are "imagined" by the the hidden legendary powering it, shaped by the expectations of those it's luring into the crater. Which is why Sada got the ancient ones and Turo got robots. It's also why Heath's expedition team was able to encounter them in the first place depsite there not being a time machine. How else would they be in the Scarlet/Violet book? There are also imaginary fusions of the legendary dogs and the swords of justice trio in the book at the academy, drawn by the expedition's artist after seeing the paradox pokemon. Eevee's unstable dna is why it doesn't have a normal evolution, so a paradox form might be a good way to make it reality. Maybe as something inspired by Penny's obvious obsession with eevee.

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u/ShaunWhiteIsMyTwin Nov 26 '22

They needed to save something for the expansion pack obviously

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u/botbattler30 Nov 26 '22

Pass the copium, my friend.

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u/ShaunWhiteIsMyTwin Nov 26 '22

I can only pass the sardonic capsule

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u/BellalovesEevee Nov 26 '22

That's why I'm high on copium and hoping they give us a new eeveelution in the dlc. As you can see from my username, I fucking love Eevee and their eeveelutions. Been waiting for one ever since Sylveon debuted. And been dreaming of either a flying type or a dragon type Eeveelution.

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u/Primal_Directive Nov 26 '22

They should’ve gone the Dunsparce route and made it a normal evolution with just bigger features and called it Eevvee

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u/NurseTaric Nov 26 '22

Eeveevee

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u/ahaisonline Nov 27 '22

ive long theorized a normal type eeveelution called Eeveeon

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u/ItsHammond Nov 26 '22

Yes the lack of a new Eeveelution is weird. Especially since this is the first main game set to introduce new evolutions to older pokemon since X/Y, that aren't tied to regional forms.

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u/gsouza994 Nov 26 '22

That's something I don't quite get. In Alola, for example, alolan Marowak evolves from a regular Cubone (from alola). Should we expect that girafarigs and dunsparces and ursarings from other regions keep evolving into their new recent evos?

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u/ItsHammond Nov 26 '22

Considering those latter aren't specifically named after their regions i think no, but who knows at this point. The Arceus evo's seem to be gone, which i hate.

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u/Number13teen Nov 26 '22

Which is strange since they aren’t regional evos.

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u/ItsHammond Nov 26 '22

I know! They were such cool evos. I'm sure they could introduce a historian or something who teaches the required moves for the move evos and it's not hard to drop the new items somewhere

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u/Neirchill Nov 27 '22

I think it makes more sense. It explains why they couldn't evolve in earlier games. They've somehow lost the ability to evolve.

I've heard other people say you can transfer one of them from PLA to SV through home and it will still evolve in SV, but that's not something I can test myself. Would be interesting to have it confirmed, although I was under the impression you couldn't trade from PLA to home yet

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u/aTemeraz Nov 27 '22

Scarlet / Violet are locked out of Home until March iirc

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u/UnboundKey Nov 26 '22

not gone at all, atleast Kleavor is confirmed to be in the game (just not obtainable since you need to transfer it)

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u/BestUsername101 Perfection-> Nov 27 '22

They're not really gone. They just need to be transferred in

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u/m0mma_m1lkers Nov 27 '22

How about Mime jr into Galarian Mr Mime?

EDIT: nvm didn't see your point on regional forms

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u/RennitheOG Nov 26 '22

This... Especially in a generation where types are literally the gimmick. Imagine a dragon eevee with like, fire tera type

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

I agree but this post is made virtually every generation there isn't a new eeveelution. I honestly don't get why they don't make more. Quite frankly I'm worried they're counting Eevees gigantamax form as an evolution.

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u/LightPengyu Nov 26 '22

This annoyed me. Why feature a trainer with eeveelutions in a new gen when there wasn't a new Eevee?

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u/bad_words_only Nov 26 '22

Because it’s one of the most popular Pokémon/evo lines (to the point of rivaling the main mascot).

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u/MandelAomine Nov 26 '22

But Eevee is popular because it has several evolutions, that's it's point

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u/bad_words_only Nov 26 '22

It’s included because demographics find Eevee to be adorable. The evolutions are bonus. It’s the same reasoning as to why they include pikachu in every generation.

Also, the previous three mainline regions gave Eevee a new evolution, an exclusive Z move and a gigantamax form.

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u/MandelAomine Nov 26 '22

Pikachu is included everytime because it's the mascott. Eevee got popular mainly because of his multiple evolutions gimmick. That's the reason why it got it's Z-Move, game and Gigantamax.

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u/RSmeep13 what is coverage? Nov 26 '22

if game freak believed that the premise of Let's Go! Eevee would have been laughed out of the room

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u/MandelAomine Nov 27 '22

Eevee is now popular on it's own but that's because of it's gimmick. Otherwise it wouldn't be more popular than let's say Vulpix

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u/RSmeep13 what is coverage? Nov 27 '22

I agree but I my point is that it's evident the developers do not understand that.

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u/ChaosDevilDragon Nov 26 '22

Missed opportunity seems to be the theme of this gen…

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u/Lolotmjp Nov 26 '22

doesn’t penny give you the TM for Draco Meteor after beating her?

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u/Azurephoenix99 Empower Nov 27 '22

I really hope that's a sign

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u/tjkun Nov 27 '22

Someone else posted that they missed the opportunity to make two paradox eevees.

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u/ttioali Nov 26 '22

Not sure why Gamefreak hasn't made a new Eeveelution yet

Because they don't make what fans ask for, simple as that.

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u/HolMan258 Nov 26 '22

Haven’t played the game, but given that Sw/Sh DLC introduced new Pokémon, it seems like them holding out for the DLC isn’t beyond the realm of possibility.

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u/LolzinatorX Nov 26 '22

There is 100% coming dlc to Scarlet and Violet, and honestly, all the focus on Eevee is either because a) everyone loves atleast 1 of them or b) teaser for new evo either in the dlc or next gen, dlc is probably more likely

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u/motoxim Nov 27 '22

Would they really adding Eevee evolution to DLC? I figured it would at least be in main game because of its popularity.

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u/ShuckU Nov 27 '22

But they gave us a dolphin pokemon

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u/CrescentCleave Nov 26 '22

Only eeveelution we're missing is the dragon eevee since the eeveelutions are of the special types. And tbh, i don't mind that it doesn't exist since what're they gonna do, give it a reptilian tail and dragon wings?

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u/Exploreptile Severe Brock-itis Nov 27 '22

Are you saying that doesn't sound absolutely kickass???

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u/CrescentCleave Nov 27 '22

You kidding me? It sounds absolutely awesome! But the question is, would gamefreak do it?

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u/hotdogflower Nov 26 '22

Just want to point out how counter-intuitive it is to “redact” the name of the character in the post when the spoiler is in the title.

There’s only 1 Eevee-themed trainer. I haven’t got to the point of battling them, but I still know exactly who you’re talking about because there’s literally only one option…

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u/Sanguinusshiboleth Nov 26 '22

I think their should have been two; they evolve if you level up in double battle with either an Ancient or Future Pokemon, with the evolution decided with which type of partner you choose for the double battle. If you picked an Ancient Pokemon you get one that could be a rock (Due to rock's association with the past through fossil pokemon) or possibly a dragon type (More feral/primal ancestor) and if you picked a Future Pokemon if could be a Metal (Futuristic robot) or Flying type (Airmachine/ufo/genetically added wings).

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u/GoldenThunder006 Nov 26 '22

That would be cool if there was more than like 3 double battles in the whole game

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u/ScowlyOwl Nov 26 '22

It's probably too much to hope to include one in DLC announcement but boy wouldn't that be neat.

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u/Sea_n126 Nov 26 '22

they could have done a steel type, what with [REDACTED] being>! a very skilled hacker and good with tech!<

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u/Carcass1 Nov 27 '22

I want a ghost type called Ghouleon

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u/Doobie_Howitzer Nov 26 '22

It would be Dragon type, the only type that was Special only in gen 1-3 that does not have an Eeveelution

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u/IGuessImDemons Nov 26 '22

There's also like a theme, Scarlett the past and Violet the future...literally the perfect time to do a Rock Eevee and a Steel Eevee in each respective title, which would also encourage trading as always. I don't know how this didn't happen?

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u/Tusslesprout1 Nov 26 '22

Its cause dragon is the last type from gen 1-2 thats “special typing” (this includes grass fire grass water electric ice dark psychic and if fairy was gen 1-2) the other 8 types are physical

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u/Wubbzy-mon Top 5 Nov 27 '22

We heard this not to long ago, no?

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u/TheTwistedKris Nov 27 '22

The quirk to eevolutions was they were always for the special types pre gen4 and then fairy. The only special type to not recieve an eevolution is dragon which would be interesting to see.

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u/Pegror Nov 27 '22

They don't have plans to make another eevolution. The Eevees we got were always to display new mechanics (day/night shift, phisical/special split, fairy types) and there's no type that fits well with Eevee anymore, according to them in an interview, when asked about new eevolutions, they answered "what would we do? Bug type Eevee?" And laughed

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Nov 27 '22

Also! Imagine if that new Eeveelution was locked behind an item/mechanic you obtain from beating said trainer. That would have been an amazing award for completing the quest/story and made your new Eeveelution felt earned.

Honestly thats worse.

People cant use it till late game? Boo

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u/CakeorDeath1989 Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

Spicy take incoming. Apologies in advance.

I know people absolutely adore the Eeveevolutions, but I'm honestly cool with them not including a new evolution for the foreseeable future. I'm okay with them not having an Eevee for every typing in the game.

It's not because I hate the Eeveevolutions. I definitely don't. I just think I'm over the concept, a little bit. 25 years on, and I'm bored by it. So a new Eevee would have to absolutely blow my mind, because I've seen all I care to see from that evolution line. I mean, what else is there to add? An Eevee that has wings for ears, added to the PokéDex not because it's an especially interesting or inspired design, but just because GF feel obligated to make an Eevee of every typing? That's a hard pass from me.

So I think if given the choice between a new Eeveevolution, or say, a regional variant that puts a new spin on, and shows love to a long, forgotten, and ignored Pokémon, I'd rather GF focus on a new regional variant. I personally think it's more original, plus GF can have a lot more freedom with their redesign of the Pokémon; something not possible with a new Eevee design.

For example, this generation, GF gave us Annihilape and P.Wooper/Clodsire, just to name two regional variants. I personally get more enjoyment out of seeing designs like those guys than I would a Ghost Eevee and a Poison Eevee. But hey, that's just my opinion. In a perfect world, we'd have both, and then everyone would be happy. But game development time doesn't work like that, unfortunately.

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u/Bonniethe90 Nov 26 '22

I’m actually glad they didn’t release a new eeveelution

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u/shawntails Nov 26 '22

It's a bit sad that we haven't had a new eeveelution since Sylveon. I always wanted them to slowly but surely create one for every type.

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u/Piper6728 Nov 26 '22

They miss the opportunity every generation since 6, even with an Eevee trainer, what made this so surprising?

GF has dropped the ball lately

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u/shadowstep12 Nov 26 '22

I see your rock type paradox Eevee and I level the fact Umbreon was originally going to be poison type why not take that concept and bring it back as the past paradox Mon eh? Eh? Who's with me

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u/ArtGuards Nov 26 '22

we need a dragon one, it’s the last originally special type

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u/Aegillade Nov 26 '22

Really weird to think this is the longest we've gone without a new Eeveelution. Before there was only a 1 generation gap before getting new ones, but now we're 3 gens deep without one. Particularly strange since in recent years TPC has tried to push Eevee as a secondary Pikachu

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u/ShuckU Nov 26 '22

It was already a huge letdown that SwSh didn't have a new one or two. It would have been prefect if they added a Dragon one and a Steel one. The UK is known for its tales of dragons, and there's plenty of famous knights. It would have definitely been best of they added these as a pair.

The fact that they still didn't add any new ones in SV is sad considering Penny is an Eeveelution trainer. The Journeys anime even had that whole plot of Chloe's Eevee not evolving, and people thought there would be a new Eeveelution.

But no... we're left with nothing. It's been almost 10 years since Sylveon!

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u/saintguccitank Nov 26 '22

DLC confirmed

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u/mikerichh Nov 27 '22

Inb4 they have one planned but DLC only

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u/ralts13 Nov 27 '22

I think the pkmn creators are just tired of Eeveelutions. Like how many times can you make weird element fox before to get bored.

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u/WaffleyDootDoot Nov 27 '22

Penny's hair literally looks like the Dragon type colors in some of the old games but no new Eevee :/

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u/MillionDollarMistake Nov 27 '22

Half the game is a missed opportunity.

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Nov 27 '22

Its funny how you put redacted in a bunch of very obvious context on who the trainer is.

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u/Chronicbudz Nov 27 '22

We aren't gonna get new Eeveelutions unless a new type is released, why you ask? well for one simple reason, they don't want Eevee overshadowed by it's new Evolutions every time they release one, if they could delete every eeveelution and and just have Eevee gain the Protean ability and have all its stats buffed when evolving, they absolutely would. Eevee and Pikachu are now marketing tools and nothing more, just be grateful we got 3 Meowths lol

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u/thekasafist Nov 27 '22

Eeveelutions missing are poison, steel, flying, bug, ground, rock, dragon and fighting. Would love to see a poison one though. Cause I never really played any poison only types since Muk in RBY.

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u/Mario32265 Nov 27 '22

I seriously don’t get why we’ve had such a big focus on Eevee for Gen 7-9, but no new evolutions. Does gf not know that most of Eevee’s popularity comes from its evo’s?

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u/Kilo1125 Nov 27 '22

All the ghost types this generation, and still no Ghost Stone to evolve Eevee with. Sadness.

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u/Dresnat Nov 27 '22

I’m holding out hope that we’ll get that in DLC revolving around Penny. It may be a fool’s hope, but I have hope none the less.

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u/ManOfEating Nov 27 '22

Also, the current anime series isn't over I guess, but there has been such a heavy emphasis on Chloe's eevee not evolving into any of the current eeveelutions that it truly feels like the only possible outcome for this is a new eeveelution tbh, and it would have been the perfect time for the games to introduce it right on time for the anime to do the big reveal. Imagine if they went through the whole last series talking about how this one eevee is special and what it's going to evolve into is a total mystery and then it's just a regular flareon or something.

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u/PeterTosh0 Nov 27 '22

Is it weird that I want a normal eevelution, eeveon

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u/Iunarx Nov 27 '22

What they should have done is make it a normal eevee and have it have a random Tera everytime you face her. If you die to her she has a new Tera type.