r/pettyrevenge Jul 01 '22 Wholesome 9 Helpful 6 Silver 2

Apparently booking a seat on a train is not a real booking if someone else decides to sit there.

I was travelling from Edinburgh to London by train and had a booked window seat with a table.

I got on the train to find 4 guys sitting at the table, the one in my seat that was clearly marked as booked, refused to move as he was with his friends and the train was packed. The ticket collected passed and I asked him to help.

He asked the guy to move but he refused and somehow that was that.

"So what now?" I asked

"You can find another seat but I have no power to move him, only the police and move him and they will not turn up just to move someone out of a seat."

There were no seats free in the carriage and probably not many free on the train so standing to London was a possibility.

"I'm going to take a seat in first class" - better surroundings, power sockets and free tea and coffee.

"You can't sit there, you don't have a booking"

"Well, you could call the police to move me but apparently they won't turn out to move someone out of a seat"

I had a lovely trip with power for my laptop and a wide comfy seat.

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u/QuarantinisRUs Jul 01 '22

And because your seat was not available you can reclaim part of the ticket cost I think

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u/sjupiter30 Jul 01 '22

How would you prove that though?

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u/asianabsinthe Jul 01 '22

Tape the seat offender to the seat and take them to customer service

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u/sirdiamondium Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 02 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome

This is 2022 and no one’s using analog tape anymore. With your fingers you’ll want to digitally hold them in place as you make your way to customer service

EDIT: yo yo thx to a nony mous who made it rain. Carry on

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u/alle_berry Jul 01 '22

I've been doing things digitally with my fingers for nearly 40 years...glad everyone else is getting on board 😉

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u/Roguebantha42 Jul 01 '22

But they stole your seat and refuse to move

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u/DrowsyDreamer Jul 01 '22

So that’s what blockchain is for!

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u/OblongAndKneeless Jul 01 '22

I unwillingly enjoyed that comment.

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u/Report_Myselves Jul 01 '22

im guessing they have to check the tickets and if's done it's registered somewhere? In france they have a small electronic device to scan the codes on the tickets but idk about UK

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u/jnd-cz Jul 01 '22

The conductor clear saw this and should print the compensation. That's how it works in CZ. Too long delay, your car with the seat not in the train, or WiFi not working are all reasons to receive compensation and the conductor can give it. Last time I had two of those problems, the train had different cars and no place for my resevration. The conductor promptly allowed me to sit in 1st class and printed two coupons for next ticket purchase.

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u/sjupiter30 Jul 01 '22

Thanks, that's a lot better than sending a picture to customer service or something. That sucks that the conductor didn't do that for OP

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u/lesterbottomley Jul 01 '22

In the UK the train ticket would show like this but not the seat reservation. That's just an extra ticket that shows your seating details and that's not scanned anywhere.

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u/Xain- Jul 01 '22

If only we had a small device that could take snapshots for historical reference.

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u/quantum-mechanic Jul 01 '22

We have that, but its a little clumsy to bring your easel and paints everywhere

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u/Alfred_the_okay Jul 01 '22

There's no automatic right to claim compensation for a standard class seat reservation being unavailable under the National Rail Conditions of Travel, but some train operators will give a refund in those circumstances (LNER does).

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u/chubbynugnug Jul 01 '22

Yeah except the refunds are shit and they’ll probably only reward him a very tiny amount if that, our train was late by an hour and we got refunded £20. So I imagine it would be even less for a seat reservation as you don’t pay extra for them you just request the seat

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u/Alfred_the_okay Jul 01 '22

Most train companies offer a 100% refund (or 100% of the relevant part of a return) for delays of over an hour, so you might have just been unlucky.

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u/freezerbreezer Jul 01 '22

In my country the ticket collector would have thrown the guy out of the train lol

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u/Ornery_Translator285 Jul 01 '22

No ticket!

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u/chastrength Jul 01 '22

This guy belongs in a museum

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u/AttackCircus Jul 01 '22

Underrated Indy Joke!

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u/ElectricJetDonkey Jul 01 '22

Thanks Silent Bob!

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u/Minerva9544 Jul 01 '22

I understood that reference!

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u/OldWhoFan Jul 01 '22

Jesus, the tickets please guy is cut

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u/OldCuntNugget Jul 01 '22

He's got those things, what are they called?

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u/JudmanDaSuperhero Jul 01 '22

Cum gutters

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u/HolyFootFetish Jul 01 '22

Morty, gross!

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u/LetheArdor Jul 01 '22

Cum gutters

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u/Brrrooooo Jul 01 '22 edited 6d ago

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u/Whind_Soull Jul 01 '22

If you can't ripple a river down a gutter, you're not properly hydrated. Drink your water, people!

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u/z0z0z1 Jul 01 '22

In my country the guy and the ticket collector would have been thrown out of the train.

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u/1jl Jul 01 '22

In my country we would throw the whole train off the train

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u/bourom Jul 01 '22

In my country there are no trains

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u/foxorhedgehog Jul 02 '22

In Russia, trains throw you.

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u/DrScrunchles Jul 01 '22

Yeah really; in Spain a big buff dude will bear down on you and forcibly throw your ass off the train. Don't ask me how I know ;)

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u/radioactivecowz Jul 01 '22

How do the staff not have the authority though? You agree to follow their instructions when you buy a ticket. Doesn't seem like they should require police to enforce basic rules

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u/BabbaKush Jul 01 '22 Gold

I used to work on the train from Belfast to Dublin. The conductor would not let the train leave if someone was breaking the rules, aka walk into first class, harass staff etc. Many times the police would be waiting at the next stop. It sucks for other passengers but that makes their walk of shame even more enjoyable.

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u/sittinwithkitten Jul 01 '22

That’s the way it should be. Don’t want to behave? Then be removed and forfeit ticket.

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u/coachz1212 Jul 01 '22 Gold Coin Gift Starry Eureka!

Oh man, I'm a manager at a movie theatre and one of my absolute favorite things to do is pause the playlist and inform the theatre that the movie will not be starting until everyone is in their correct seats. It become incredibly apparent who isn't in their seat. The theatres turn into mobs and start yelling at the people in the wrong seats. A lot of the time I can't MAKE then leave, but 200 people yelling shit at them usually does the trick.

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u/Hugh-Mahn Jul 01 '22

I'd go to you cinema just for that experience alone, just the thought is giving me a semi.

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u/prez-scr00b Jul 01 '22

The thought of your semi is giving me a raging

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u/ShouldBeWorking01 Jul 01 '22

The thought of your raging is giving me a throbbing

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u/dry_yer_eyes Jul 01 '22 Silver

The thought all of all your throbbing, raging semis is making me think of movie theatres.

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u/Highly_Irreverent Jul 01 '22

All your throbbing, raging semis in movie theaters is making me think of Ron Jeremy. Please, for the love of all that is pure and good in the world, please, stop.

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u/ShouldBeWorking01 Jul 01 '22

The thought of your Jeremy is giving me a Richard

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u/TipsyMagpie Jul 01 '22

Fuck the film, I’d go just to see that play out. I’d even already have popcorn!

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u/coachz1212 Jul 01 '22

It's not usually 200 people yelling, but you can feel the mob mentality building. The culprits usually just move to their seats in the front row because "Who could've thought Spiderman opening weekend would be busy?".

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u/FirstChurchOfBrutus Jul 01 '22

I like you. Yes, yes I do.

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u/ywBBxNqW Jul 01 '22

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u/bakkic Jul 01 '22

Yeah... I saw Silent Bob...

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u/ScratchinWarlok Jul 01 '22

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u/jathas1992 Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

Phew, me too. Best line ever, especially since it's his only one that film.

Edit: One of two lines.

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u/DickButtPlease Jul 01 '22

He also says, “Thanks.”

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u/drewster23 Jul 01 '22

Based on conductors logic you don't need a ticket either because he won't bother removing you and police won't care.

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u/GnarlyBear Jul 01 '22

Exactly my experience a bunch of times, including people in cattle class taking up a booked seat. Staff have the power and use it

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u/Sp0ilersSweetie Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

You agree to their terms buying a ticket, but the staff don't have any more legal power over you. If you don't move or leave when asked, the only people that can force you to comply are the police because individual citizens do not have the right to apply physical force to one another.

Edit: this comment lacks clarity. What I was trying to put across is that rail workers aren't legally empowered to use physical force.

Reasonable force is a right that all citizens have, including rail workers, but rail workers don't have any more right to use physical force than that provision. Therefore, if physical force is required to enforce rail regulations, rail workers will call for police assistance.

I hope this clears things up.

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u/TiWoAl Jul 01 '22

They do have the right to fine you though, at least here they do (but I'm not from the UK). For taking reserved seats I'm not sure what the fine is, but for not having an appropriate ticket it can be as much as 150 dollars.

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u/mikemojc Jul 01 '22

Then they could have fined the person that was sitting in the seat he had not booked. It was really just a matter of the ticket collector not wanting to deal with the conflict.

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u/moeburn Jul 01 '22

Can't fine someone if they don't give their name or ID though can you

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u/wings22 Jul 01 '22

Police will show up for that though. They will come to the next station and if you refuse to give info for a fine you can be arrested.

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u/RedBanana99 Jul 01 '22

Back in 2007 on a train between Bridgwater and Weston-super-Mare this kid clearly didn't care that he didn't have a ticket. The conductor held the train at the next stop and a scuffle broke out, right next to me as I was sat by the doors.

This hero from nowhere swept his knees back and pushed him on the platform. The idiot didn't fall but was furious. As the train moved off he was kicking and wellying the carriages.

No one applauded, but myself and Mr Miagi asked the conductor if he was OK. To be fair he was a few inches over 6ft but the kid flailed a LOT

We both gave our contact info to the conductor and we all met in court about 6 weeks later. The kid never showed up, multiple offences sentencing next hearing (not required to go)

The week after I got 2 open first class tickets valid for 2 years. Hubby and I went to London for a long weekend.

Now we use Seatfrog since we discovered how nice it is lol

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u/aFacelessBlankName Jul 01 '22

This. And then, once again, you would need police.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

This whole thread is a total mess.

Railway Bylaw 19. You cannot sit in a seat that is marked as reserved if you havent reserved it, unless you have permission.

That means its a criminal offence under the Transport Act 2000 to refuse to move.

The conductor is not law enforcement however as an agent of the train operator he can refuse service (i.e. stop the train and ask the person to move or leave).

If the person refuses to move his next resort is the transport police or normal police in a pinch. They are now responsible for enforcing the law.

They are then able to issue a spot fine. If the person continues to refuse to move other offences can arise as they might in any other police encounter. Force can and will be used if it gets to this point.

The conductor plain and simple couldn't be arsed. He probably wanted to get home on time. All there is to it.

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u/Sp0ilersSweetie Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

In the UK fines are handed out by the Transport Police because it's a crime to travel without an appropriate ticket and afaik the rail companies don't have the right to issue fines. Once about 15 years ago as a broke student I got a £20 fine for trying to travel on an expired ticket - would have been cheaper to get a valid ticket lmao

Edit: a couple people now have commented that the rail companies do hand out fines so it's very possible I'm wrong about that part. BTP 100% do issue fines though.

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u/Spheresdeep Jul 01 '22

I got a £20 fine for trying to travel on an expired ticket - would have been cheaper to get a valid ticket lmao

Well yeah, if the fee was cheaper nobody would get a ticket and they would just pay the fee.

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u/raz-0 Jul 01 '22

Someone should tell the SEC that.

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u/brcguy Jul 01 '22

And the EPA.

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u/ChaplainParker Jul 01 '22

Kenny Mayo boi would like a word! Lol

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22

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u/Current-Mission-5521 Jul 01 '22

In grad school I, too, refused to pay for a parking pass. It was 500$ for the entire year. There was a small loophole that no one had bothered to close, though, being that if you were a grad student, you taught two lower-level courses a semester. Your ID had ‘graduate student’ printed on it BUT if you showed up at campus police and showed them a copy of the course catalog with your name listed as instructor, they’d just give you a faculty parking pass. 100% free. Not many students knew about it, so some of us got prime parking spots and others (usually the dickheads who treate dother grad students like crap and were thus not told about the loophole) had to pay 500$.

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u/capmaverick Jul 01 '22

At my university, according to a Psy.D. student who had been attending since freshman year, if you never applied for a parking pass, they had no legal recourse to link your vehicle to you as a student, so as long as you stuck strictly to university-designated parking, they could ticket you to no end and you’d never be held liable. I wouldn’t have been brave enough to test that, but it seemed to work out fine for him.

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u/dirty_cuban Jul 01 '22

The parking garage at the train station in my town costs $80 per month. The fine for not paying is $25 and they ticket you maybe twice a month. As long as you pay the fine in a timely manner they don't escalate the fine amount or boot/tow. It's cheaper to get fined twice a month than pay for parking.

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u/Sp0ilersSweetie Jul 01 '22

Fair point, this is the kind of silly thing I say when undercaffeinated. My bad

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u/MrDude_1 Jul 01 '22

The fee has to not only be more expensive, but enough so that it's worth going for...

If I only get caught one out of five times but the fine is double the cost of the ticket, well then... I'm never getting a ticket and going to just do my best to not get fined.

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u/TunaAndBanana Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

rail companies don’t have the right to issue fines

Much like the “fine” (I think legally speaking it’s actually an invoice) I got from some company who manage Tesco’s car parks, for staying twenty minutes longer than allowed. First letter got filed in the bin, as did every subsequent letter because they can fuck off if they think I’m giving them eighty quid or whatever it was. Also, Tesco have actually cost themselves money since I’ve never shopped in one again.

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u/mule_roany_mare Jul 01 '22

expired ticket

Meaning you bought a ticket & it went bad before you could use it? Like a bottle of milk?

I absolutely loathe these revenue generating schemes. It’s a big hassle for commuters & a paltry amount of money for the operators.

LIRR (Long Island railroad serving it Manhattan>LI) tickets used to stay valid for a year if not indefinitely then they closed the window to two weeks.

Of course you can return an expired ticket but the process is sufficiently onerous that no one does it. I think you have to get return authorization over the phone, then mail the expired ticket, at which point you can get a new soon to expire ticket mailed to you.

….I know railroads need money, but making people want to ride your trains is a better long term plan that squeezing every nickel from riders stuck with you.

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u/Sp0ilersSweetie Jul 01 '22

Yeah, most if not all rail tickets in the UK have an expiry date. Some are valid only for one day. I don't remember what kind I had, just that the expiry date had passed. To be fair, I knew full well that my ticket was expired and I could catch a fine for using it, but I was young and foolish.

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u/mule_roany_mare Jul 01 '22

I wonder if some rail employee or aficionado will come in and try to justify best if used by & expiration dates on services that don’t actually expire.

I could understand if they need to clear their books at the end of the business year like outstanding debts, but that is a different story.

It’s not like they would stop selling tickets if they were oversold on a given day.

It’s easy to be stuck with an extra ticket when plans change, especially with round trip & bundled tickets.

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u/RicardoWanderlust Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

So technically, OP could have been fined for not having a valid ticket for first class, whereas the ticket guard was powerless to fine the group for incorrect seating (*as most train tickets are actually physically separate from a seat reservation) i.e. they have a valid ticket for that train.

BTP would/could respond to OP's infringement(?), so could have backfired for OP.

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u/Sp0ilersSweetie Jul 01 '22

The ticket guard is powerless to fine anyone, the BTP would be empowered to fine OP for sitting in first class, but I don't think taking a reserved seat is a crime in itself - if the incorrectly seated group had standard class tickets and sat in a standard class carriage they haven't committed a crime afaik. Also BTP rarely detect these crimes by themselves as they are positioned on stations not on trains, for crimes occurring on board a train they mostly rely on reports from train staff and the public.

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u/RicardoWanderlust Jul 01 '22

Yes, that's pretty much what I said.

Guard can't call BTP on the group, but could on OP.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22

Reddits talking drivel as usual. Railway byelaw 19.

"No person shall remain in any seat where notice indicates it is reseved for a specified person"

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u/Sp0ilersSweetie Jul 01 '22

Well I stand corrected. Thanks for the info :)

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u/DiZhini Jul 01 '22

If the conductor has no power to move him, (not allowed to us physical force to move him).
Imaging being the conductor and want to fine me. How do you get his name? He's not gonna tell you, neither show you his ID. Soo comes back too needing the police.

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u/GrumpyAtheist Jul 01 '22

Fine you how? They have no way to identify you and they can't demand ID since they apparently have no authority.

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u/TiWoAl Jul 01 '22

They can ask ID, tho obviously you can refuse to the point they would have to use physical force. Which they can't use. Police will show up tho (usually the local police from the next station) and/or the railway agency has it's own "police" in large stations.

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u/Billy1121 Jul 01 '22

What? I watched a documentary where a ticket inspector threw a guy out of a BLIMP for not having his ticket.

Surely a train conductor has as much power

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u/jellyfish-jones Jul 01 '22

To be fair, the guy that got tossed was a fascist. Also, no tickets.

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u/SlimJimGames04 Jul 01 '22

I've finally caught up on those classics and I'm glad I understood this reference

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u/Sp0ilersSweetie Jul 01 '22

They can tell you to get off the train, but if you don't move they don't have the right to put their hands on you. Instead the transport police at the next stop will remove you because they do have that right.

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u/Journier Jul 01 '22

I saw that great historical documentary as well. For the Historians reading this in the year 3000, The great ticket inspector Jones on a German Zeppelin, was allowed to throw passengers off the zeppelin any time the passengers didn't show their tickets. This aroused great spectacles of tickets being thrown at the ticket men as soon as they saw him.

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u/are-you-ok Jul 01 '22

"no ticket"

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u/Onehundredwaffles Jul 01 '22

No, and also they really REALLY shouldn’t be expected to. Expecting conductors to wrangle drunks and other potentially aggressive people out of their seats would 1. Make train conductor a very dangerous job and consequently 2. Probably cause a huge staff shortage since no one would wanna do it.

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u/P_SG Jul 01 '22

Ooh ooh. I saw this one too, I think! For some reason, it had to turn around shortly after take off?

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u/McGarnacIe Jul 01 '22

"They're taking us back to Berlin"

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u/techno_babble_ Jul 01 '22

Was this documentary, by any chance, Indiana Jones?

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u/AutomaticRisk3464 Jul 01 '22

In america they wouldnt let the train move ubtil the guys got up..they would probably even announce what seat # is holding the train up so everyone shames him

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u/iffraz Jul 01 '22

No in America Amtrak PD would drag them out of their seat and throw them out at the next station, they wouldn't hold up a train for one person being stubborn.

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u/FalloutRip Jul 01 '22

Can confirm. Amtrak staff don't play around - they got places to be, tickets to check. I've always had great experiences with amtrak staff, but you give them any lip and you're done. A few months ago when mask mandates were still in effect I saw some college kids get on at a station, and after the second reminder to keep their masks on they were escorted off at the next station about ~10 minutes down the line.

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u/pambeeslysucks Jul 01 '22

Haha I was on the train from NYC to Syracuse last year. The conductor came on the intercom and said something like if “you’re not wearing a mask you will be thrown off the train. That’s right, we WILL leave you in Yonkers.”

Everyone chuckled

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u/poor_bitch Jul 01 '22

This sounds about right, my sister works for Amtrak and she does NOT fuck around with the rules. Lord help her passengers, hahahaha.

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u/westphall Jul 01 '22

It’s similar in Germany. I once saw the attendant throw a man out of the window of the zeppelin I was traveling on for not having a ticket. The incident motivated me to quickly produce my own ticket.

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u/iotashan Jul 01 '22

Probably the same reason Walmart has a policy for firing employees that try to stop shoplifters... Employee safety is more important than customer service disability insurance is expensive.

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u/jazzzhandzz Jul 01 '22

Revenge AND free tea?! This is what dreams are made of.

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u/ndsmith11 Jul 01 '22 Wholesome

Hey now

Hey now

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u/TheNitromeFan Jul 01 '22

This is what dreeeeeams are made of

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u/throwaway798319 Jul 01 '22

Don't dream it's over?

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u/asharwood Jul 01 '22

The train seater should have taken it upon themselves to find you a better seat. Also, fuck that ass who took a reserved seat. I always hope shity people receive swift karma.

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u/Magnus_40 Jul 01 '22

I travel that route quite a lot and quite often when someone is in my seat I get an upgrade to first class. On occasion you get the ticket collector who does not want to do the job.

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u/Grilnid Jul 01 '22

That is completely out of the blue but seeing how you said you did this pretty often, how expensive can the tickets between Edinburgh and London get? Any specific website I should be using? Any caveats?

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u/Magnus_40 Jul 01 '22

It has been a few years since I have travelled the route. I work exclusively from home now. If you book in advance you get better deals I used to book months in advance where possible and look at the route operator website as well as central booking as they have exclusive deals that the Trainline etc cannot access. I used to use the Sleeper as well but the prices are silly now.

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u/SeasonActual Jul 01 '22

I regret to inform you that there is no such thing as karma. the only thing bad people get in return for their bas behavior is ahead in society.

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u/seydog Jul 01 '22

Finally justice! Loopholee becomes loopholer.

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u/lazy_fella Jul 01 '22

TIL 2 new words.

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u/seydog Jul 01 '22

TIL I can make up new words

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u/tilly9191 Jul 01 '22

All words are made up words

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u/Downvotemeplz42 Jul 01 '22

How very cromulent of you.

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u/PissedBadger Jul 01 '22

My mind is embiggened

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u/Vyb_3 Jul 01 '22

How could you say such a glasterous thing?

(glasterous - adj. - When something is obvious and true, but shocking at the same time)

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u/asianabsinthe Jul 01 '22

Grobvergooploots

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u/Juggletrain Jul 01 '22

That's the sensation when you're doing that suspicious looking waddle because your balls are stuck to your leg and they peel off.

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u/doktor_wankenstein Jul 01 '22

The Germans have a word for everything!

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u/vipros42 Jul 01 '22

I once had to argue a guy out of my reserved seat on a packed train. He was pretty aggro but did move eventually. Shortly afterwards I gave it up to a pregnant lady. The guy was super angry after that.

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u/Thebaldsasquatch Jul 01 '22

Wow. He’s mad that you gave it up to a pregnant lady because HE could have sat there and NOT given it to her. What a piece of shit.

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u/vipros42 Jul 01 '22

Yeah pretty much. Glossed over the fact that about 40 other people also didn't give up their seat for her either!

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u/mcgroobber Jul 01 '22

That's class moves all around lol

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u/CumOnMyTitsDaddy Jul 01 '22

And then you looked him in the eyes and said:"don't worry mate, we already knew you were a piece of shit!"

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u/chris552393 Jul 01 '22

I've had it before from London where someone has been sat in my seat.

Only yesterday I approached my seat only to find someone sat in it.

"excuse me, this is my seat.."

"Oh sorry, I didn't know..."

"yeah I can appreciate it's really difficult to understand sometimes, especially when it says 'reserved from London to xxxx' in big red letters above the seat.. I can understand how you didn't realise, easy mistake to make."

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u/Fudge_is_1337 Jul 01 '22

To be fair there's usually several seats on London trains (especially east coast mainline) that are booked but actually vacant. Exhibit A, I know for a fact there was one at 7pm Tuesday night this week because I was supposed to be sat in it

As long as they move when asked, no harm done imo

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u/vipros42 Jul 01 '22

This guy didn't apologise. Insisted on seeing my reservation then tried to snatch it out of my hand. Gave him the old "look with your eyes, not with your hands"

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u/starlareads Jul 01 '22

Nicely played sir!

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u/Soft_Use229 Jul 01 '22

lol power play

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u/SanctimoniousApe Jul 01 '22

Literally, as far as the laptop was concerned.

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u/Flat_Professional_55 Jul 01 '22

Some people are right knobheads. Imagine being so entitled that you take somebody’s booked seat and refuse to move, what a cunt. I’m glad you found a good solution to the situation. Some ticket inspectors can be right bastards as well though, so be careful haha.

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u/elppaenip Jul 01 '22

He got away with it, expect him to do the same thing in the future

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u/Flat_Professional_55 Jul 01 '22

Certain men love to try and get their way through intimidation tactics, especially when in a group. I’d never do such a thing, but I was brought up with morals and standards.

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u/elppaenip Jul 01 '22

Its pretty basic pavlov reward psychology

You could train monkeys the same way

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u/LeadPipePromoter Jul 01 '22

You say that as if we aren't fatheaded hairless primates ourselves

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u/LetsMakeThisHappen12 Jul 01 '22

He was rewarded for his maliciousness, so in eyes why change the behaviour

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u/rexmons Jul 01 '22

There's an old Turkish story about a wise man named Nasrettin Hoca. In one of the stories he's arguing with a man about something and the man slaps Nasrettin Hoca in a fit of rage. So he take the man to court and when they get in front of the judge the judge says the man must pay Nasrettin Hoca one gold coin (a small amount of money). Nasrettin Hoca argues with the judge that the punishment should be harsher. The judge tells him "it is what it is", so Nasrettin Hoca slaps the judge and tells him that he can collect his gold coin directly from the defendant.

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u/JudgeGusBus Jul 01 '22

Was traveling by train in Italy. Bought my ticket, got on, and it was packed, standing room only. I assumed this was normal and found a spot to stand. When the ticket-taker came through, everyone ignored him. I handed him my ticket, and he, with a look of surprise, said something like “oh! You actually paid?” He then went and found a nice window seat and kicked the person sitting there out of it and had me sit there.

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u/Sensitive-Swim-3679 Jul 01 '22

It pays to play by the rules, sometimes…

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u/gonnagle Jul 01 '22

Is this common in Italy? I was in Rome back in 2004 with family, tried to buy tickets to take the underground rail and the person at the booth just waved us on past. We spoke not a lick of Italian and were very confused, rode the rails for free for three days because they literally wouldn't let us pay. I still don't really get it

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u/JudgeGusBus Jul 01 '22

Mine was on a train from Rome to Florence. Another funny story about that trip: when I went to buy my ticket from Rome to Florence, the early afternoon train I was taking was listed as taking exactly two hours longer than the morning train I was not in time for. When I asked about the extra two hours, the ticket seller just said, “there is a strike.” Sure enough, a bit into the trip, when it struck 1 o’clock or whatever hour, the train stopped for exactly two hours. The train employees sat outside and smoked. Nobody batted an eye. After two hours, they got back in the train, and we went on our way to Florence. This was in 2005.

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u/DM_ME_DOPAMINE Jul 02 '22

I was on a train from somewhere I forget to Piza. Train stopped at midnight when it became Easter and we got stuck in Bologna overnight.

Ate the best meal I’ve ever had there, thank you Italian train systems.

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u/problemlow Jul 02 '22

Sounds like the staff were on strike at that time. As I understand it in Europe when people go on strike they continue to work but don't charge anyone anything for the use of the service.

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u/cowbongo Jul 02 '22

Not in Germany. I used to take a long-distance train every day, and when the workers went on strike it just wouldn't run. Also, one time a guy killed himself on the tracks and backed everything up for hours.

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u/whimsicahellish Jul 01 '22

One of my favorite parts of being an American in Germany is claiming my paid seat reservation from the occupant. It’s the same dance Every. Single. Time. They wave a hand at me dismissively and say “no English” (even though we both know they do), and then answering them with “Kein problem! Sprechen sie Deutsch, bitte? Ich habe eine Reservierung.”

And it is wickedly fun to purposely mispronounce the words while doing so, b/c you know, dumb American.

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u/BooooHissss Jul 01 '22

Hey, I have a similar storage unit story. Except mine was a deal for a 10x10 and I went in, signed the paperwork, give them the fees and I go to check it out and it was definitely not 10x10. Now, I'm a silly person who always carries a tape measure on them. Measured it out, it was something like a 7x9, I don't remember exactly, but I do remember it was oddly sided. Why? Because when brought to her attention, she offered me the 9x7 instead and asked if the different lay out would work.

No lady, I am paying for cubic feet here. I don't care about how it's laid out, I care about how much I can fit in the area. Turning my couch the other way won't make 300 cubic feet suddenly appear. She refunded me the price but refused to refund the activation fee.

Went the to the website, sent them a message calling it a bait and switch, got the full refund in a few hours.

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u/TwoScoopsofDestroyer Jul 01 '22

This is why Louis Rossman loves taking a laser distance meter to all the retail space showings in New York they all seem to advertise 30% or more over the actual square footage...

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u/answers4asians Jul 01 '22

I had gotten an assigned seat motor coach ticket out of Incheon Airport. The coaches typically have a row of single seats on the right and pairs of seats on the left but it's kinda luck of the draw what ticket you get. I mean you can request one or the other, but if they don't have, they don't have.

So, I had gotten a single seat which was great because I was traveling alone and didn't want to sit for hours next to a stranger as I had just done on the flight. Some dude comes walking up the aisle. He's taking people's tickets and looking at them then giving them back. He gets to me, takes my ticket and obviously swaps the ticket and at that moment I realized that he was trying to scam me out of my single seat ticket.

I waited for the actual ticket checker to come by. The scammer was following behind but hadn't said anything yet. The official checker took my ticket and saw that it was the wrong seat. Before the checker could say anything, the scammer started complaining that I was in his seat and produced the ticket he swapped from me. He really went for it. I looked the scammer in the eye and said in Korean, "that man is a liar and a thief." Scammer went silent, checker looked at him and waited for his story. He didn't have one. Checker swapped our ticket stubs back and scammer went back to sit down.

As soon as we're on our way, scammer sees that there is a single seat open and tries to take it. Under normal circumstances nobody would care. Under these circumstances, though, driver stopped the bus and guided him back to his assigned seat.

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u/Sterling-Archer Jul 01 '22

Why would you let some random dude look at your ticket? Did he at least look like he worked there?

I know cultures are different but where I live that dude would have been told to fuck off by twenty different people.

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u/answers4asians Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

That's the thing. He went through and looked at everyone's tickets on the bus. Nobody told him to fuck off. It's not like he just appeared in front of me and grabbed my ticket. He looked official right up to the point he swapped my ticket. Look like you belong. Notice people who don't (eventually).

So, why would I let some random dude look at my ticket? Because it's always some random dude checking tickets.

Edit: For that matter, I'm some random dude.

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u/EntityDamage Jul 01 '22

Omg...TIL I'm a random dude. What an existential crisis.

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u/DirtyPiss Jul 01 '22

Most people who act in an authoritative role are able to trespass boundaries, here's just one example of many: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip_search_phone_call_scam

There's also the old "wear a hi-vis vest and carry a clipboard and you can walk into any building" trick.

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u/yosoyellogan Jul 01 '22

Lmao the gall of the conductor to say “we can’t move them if they’re in the wrong seat. We basically have no authority. By the way, don’t you dare sit in the wrong seat”.

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u/kangarufus Jul 01 '22

Thanks for educating me that I can juts sit in first class any time and nobody can force me to move.

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u/Magnus_40 Jul 01 '22

You can but you could be given a ticket. I was leveraging the fact that he refused to move the guy in the wrong seat so if he gave me a 'fine' and I fought it then he would have to explain why he didn't try to do his job.

I think it was more to do with the fact that they oil workers from Aberdeen who were quite a way down a shopping bag of alcohol before Edinburgh.

You see them a lot on Fridays on the East Coast line, coming off the rigs and heading home with a bag of travel beers after a few dry weeks on the rigs.

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u/alle_berry Jul 01 '22

Semi off-topic, but are oil chasers a thing over there? I'm from the Southern US and TONS of women I grew up with deliberately pursued relationships with Roughnecks. "Oilfield Honey spending oilfield money" is even a bumper sticker I've seen. I guess there is some appeal in only seeing each other every 6 weeks, and I get that the $$$ is great (these are kept women for sure) but it's odd to me that it's almost its own culture for the women who date them. I'm guessing it's purely a US thing...but the drinking and carousing as soon as they're off the rig sounds the same so 🤷🏼

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u/EsCaRg0t Jul 01 '22

“Oilfield trash with oilfield cash”

Source: live in Houston

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u/AhoyWilliam Jul 01 '22

It's maybe not as pronounced, as all our oilfields are offshore so the lifestyle is much less sociable (month on/month off afaik) albeit with crazy money. That said, I don't know how close to civilisation the oilfields are onshore in the USA? Could the people working on them have a normal house and commute daily (on shifts ofc)?

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u/alle_berry Jul 01 '22

The ones I know of are offshore...I'm in the Louisiana/Mississippi/Alabama/Florida area....I don't know anything about the onshore oilfield life...That's Texas and part of Oklahoma I think...from what little I've seen (a scene in a random documentary 😂), it's kinda remote, I would guess at least an hour commute each way but idk if that's even a thing

Thanks for humouring my random ass question!

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u/Acyts Jul 01 '22

This is the greatest story of justice I have ever read. As a regular train user and having had this and similar things happen many times, I feel I can rejoice in your victory

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u/fishmiloo Jul 01 '22

We should just do reserved carriages and unreserved carriages like the Japanese do because I swear nobody sits where they're supposed to.

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u/LaLuchador Jul 01 '22

This is how I feel as a teacher, frequently. My hands are tied when a student simply says, “no.”

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u/Rhodin265 Jul 01 '22

The only thing that would make this better is if the suckers who stole your seat overheard.

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u/JazsimeFalls1970 Jul 01 '22

Going from Inverness to Edinburgh over 30 years ago we were moving so mum and I were taking our Border collie, Bobby, on the train so we booked seats. We get on the train and a bunch of teens are parked in our seats and told me to F off so I told them move now or else, they decided to see what or else was so mum told Bobby to get up on the seats and he was standing on thier soft parts so crys of" my balls ow your dogs crushing my balls" were heard up and down the carriage along with mum and several passengers laughing while I said " you asked what or else was, get out of our seats now". Bobby just thought they were messing about and licked all thier faces before we got him down so they could leave. They tried complaining to the conductor who told them in front of us to shut up or he would throw them off the train. I should point out the seats were the ones with a table so Bobby had somewhere to lie down. The conductor kept checking on us and made a fuss of Bobby. Other stuff happened but nothing as funny as that. By the time we reached Edinburgh Bobby had a few fans and mum and I had a fun journey to tell my dad and big brother about.

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u/Tintovic Jul 01 '22

BOSS level. I wil use that one.

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u/Workdawg Jul 01 '22

As much as America is a shitshow right now, at least flight attendants in the US are completely over people being assholes. You can find tons of videos of people acting like idiots on planes and just getting the sweetest of justice. They don't hesitate to call the cops and have you dragged off the plane if you are an asshole before takeoff. If you're really a moron and get in trouble once the plane is in the air, I hope you like fucking duct tape.

Glad it worked out for you, sucks that the ticketman was such a pussy about it though.

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u/FblthpLives Jul 01 '22

Because flight attendants serve an important safety function, they have considerable backup in U.S. law when it comes to exercising their authority.

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u/Random_Read3r Jul 01 '22

How the turns have tabled!

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u/Dismal_Judgment5290 Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

I don’t challenge it for short journeys but the couple of times I’ve told people to move when I’m on for hours, it’s always the same reaction as though I’m the inconsiderate one. Thankfully people have always moved, though one guy went overboard and mockingly treated me like I was a royal that he’d been warming the seat for. Like…sure…okay….I still booked this seat for this journey though…

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u/cibopath Jul 01 '22

I was traveling that same train line when I visited. I got a quiet car for the trip. These four guys were loud AF. I asked them to please be quiet and they immediately wanted to fight. We ended up, like you, in first class due to the train not being able to do any about it.

As an American, I was disappointed to see the same dumb ass people I do in the States. I put all of my hopes of a quite car with the British and was let down but will visit again.

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u/ParryDotter Jul 01 '22

There is this perception in the states that British people are super polite and high class. Go out near pubs any time after work hours and especially weekends and you'll see a very different image, lots of really drunk and rowdy people.

There is also this culture of getting drunk in the train, especially at nights

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u/DoctorGuvnor Jul 01 '22

Oh bravo!!

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u/barfridge0 Jul 01 '22

Splendid, delightful and devilish!

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u/paulc19802 Jul 01 '22

Surely in this circumstance you aren't getting what you paid for.

You agreed a purchase contract in which you handed over money for that reserved seat. If the company are unable to facilitate what you have paid for they are likely in breach of that contract.

Their lack of ability to do something to resolve a matter causing that breach is not your problem.

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u/stuninh0 Jul 01 '22

You're not on th grand Central that terminates at kings cross at about 12.30 are you?!

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u/elkwaffle Jul 01 '22

Are you currently on that train in someone else's seat which you refused to move from when requested?

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u/kingdomheartsislight Jul 01 '22

Hot British justice. Love it.

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u/tab_tab_tabby Jul 01 '22

In Canada, if the asshole refuse to leave the seat you paid for and if ticket collector fails to remove the asshole by himself, cops will be called immediately and they wait for the asshole at the next station to escort them out.

I've seen it few times. Mostly homeless that were travelling.

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u/CMDR_Expendible Jul 01 '22

Tangentially related, but I still feel horribly guilty about this to this day; maybe 10 years ago now, I was up in Telford for care work training, and I was so tired I didn't notice I was getting on a train at the wrong time. And no one on the station or train services noticed either. I sat down at my booked seat, and an Asian family got on with the same ticket, and said I was in their spot; and I refused to move. They sat on the table opposite, and presumably the ticket collector should have checked the seating but said nothing; and occasionally they looked at me, and I tried to defuse the situation by smiling... It was only after I got home and slept, and rechecked the ticket that I realised they'd been in the right, they'd booked that seat at that time. And that my smiling might have seemed like gloating, which is why they kept glancing at me.

There's no chance they'll ever read this, but all the same I'm genuinely sorry and it wasn't intentional. Stealing seats is petty and childish and wasn't something I meant to do.

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u/RexSmithisaGirl Jul 01 '22

Did you ever know that you're my hero?

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u/Karma_Gardener Jul 01 '22

Why buy a ticket at all then? Just get on and go... after all, the police are not going to come. Law is lawless

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u/Mac1692 Jul 01 '22

Why even buy a ticket? Apparently if you board the train you cannot be moved.

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u/HerringLaw Jul 01 '22

This is a concise example of how the legal system works in real life. The effective law is not "what are the rules," it's "who's gonna stop you?"

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u/Komrath Jul 01 '22

I like how he tried to play “not my problem” card but you made it his problem 🙌🏻😆

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u/muffinman282 Jul 01 '22

I don't understand what the ticket collectors job is if it isn't to manage who sits where

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u/theHaldirv2 Jul 02 '22

Take a photo of the people in your booked seat, then you can claim it back against the railway you travelled on and they’ll refund you, as they didn’t provide the agreed service :)

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u/peachbootys Jul 01 '22

This is the perfect petty revenge story. Well played!

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u/ChewyYui Jul 01 '22

The guy was breaking railway Byelaw 19

Except with permission from an authorised person, no person shall remain in any seat, berth or any part of a train where a notice indicates that it is reserved for a specified ticket holder or holders of tickets of a specific class, except the holder of a valid ticket entitling him to be in that particular place.

Cite that to them next time and tell them theyre commiting an offence

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