r/nottheonion Nov 28 '22 LOVE! 1

OneLove armband sends ‘very divisive message’, says Qatar official

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/28/onelove-armband-sends-very-divisive-message-says-qatar-official
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u/kevolad Nov 28 '22

Anyone - "Love everyone, love them equally"

Qatar - "Yeah, that's some divisive and hateful speech right there"

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u/dodslaser Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 30 '22 Silver Evil Cackle

This kind of behavior is never tolerated in Qatar. You love like that they put you in jail. Right away. No trial, no nothing. Soccer fans, we have a special jail for soccer fans. One love arm band: right to jail. You are wearing colorful clothes: right to jail, right away. Love men: jail. Women: jail. You are teaching how to practice safe sex: you right to jail. You look at a man? Believe it or not, jail. You don't look at a man, also jail. Look, don't look. You tell your friends you're going to a movie with a woman but end up going to brunch with a dude, believe it or not, jail, right away. We have the straightest men in the world because of jail.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

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u/DragonGemini Nov 29 '22

Not the President, just the head of the parks dept for the sister city to Pawnee.

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u/WillSym Nov 29 '22

That Fred Armisen, dropping in for random cameos and being the most memorable part of the show.

He's Uncle Fester in the new Wednesday Netflix show too!

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u/rayzer93 Nov 29 '22

Keep rooting for the mass migration to renewable energy so we can bankrupt these small dick sheikhs!

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u/teedeeguantru Nov 28 '22

Inclusion is Division! Love is Hate!

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u/permalink_save Nov 28 '22 Silver

Be tolerant of our intolerance!

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u/Jason1143 Nov 29 '22 Silver

Tolerance is a peace treaty. Everyone is a party by default, but if you break the treaty, it ceases to provide you with its full protection.

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u/ajax6677 Nov 29 '22

That's succinct and a more powerful point than the original quote. I love it.

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u/Jason1143 Nov 29 '22

I also like it because by specifying full protection it provides nuance. It doesn't mean you are allowed to just shoot them on the spot if they call for violence, that is still a step too far. But you might then by allowed to deplatform them.

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u/mosssmonster Nov 29 '22

Give me a platform or give me death.

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u/KoeiNL Nov 29 '22

Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

Karl R. Popper

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u/Freekydeeky1258 Nov 29 '22

It is so hard to get this point across. We literally have to be intolerant of intolerance, despite the mind-numbing irony of the statement. Otherwise, intolerance just becomes "respecting cultural values". If only there was a way to mandate and enforce human rights as above the law of any land. It's utopian, yet feels like such a simple solution

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u/cyon_me Nov 29 '22

6 is afraid of 7 for a reason. 7 genocided 9 because 6 "respected" both of them, and now there's nobody to protect 6.

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u/rstarr13 Nov 29 '22

You don't build a bigger table for people who are breaking other's chairs.

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u/Cetun Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

This was the lesson learned by early Soviets. In the first decade after the revolution homosexuality became legal, women started entering the workforce and were nominally equal to men, and gender were deemphasized. By the 1930 the right wing had cemented their power, homosexuality was made illegal, women were encouraged to stay at home and produce children, the New Soviet Man came to define masculinity as purely the domain of biological men. In their effort to build a unified society the left tried to bring everyone together, but the right pared off people on the fringes one by one until the left found itself with few remaining allies.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

I cringed when he said “all we are asking for is mutual respect”.

How the fuck can it be “mutual” when they, from their side, won’t respect gays, women, poor people etc? I guess “all we are asking for is one way respect” doesn’t have the same ring to it.

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u/TheMooRam Nov 29 '22

The respect is mutual, we respect them as much as they respect is, which is very little

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22 Silver

"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."

George Orwell, 1984

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u/AndThereBeDragons Nov 28 '22

Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken

-Darth Bane, circa 1000 BBY

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u/MeltAway421 Nov 28 '22

Apathy is death.

-Kreia

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u/radome9 Nov 28 '22

"Meh, good enough."
--Mediocrates

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u/Judazzz Nov 28 '22

"It can wait... *burp!*"
-- Procrastinates

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u/FriendsOnAPowDay Nov 28 '22

“When they say 2% milk I don’t know what the other 98% is.” — Andy Dwyer

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u/NoVaBurgher Nov 29 '22

“There are two things I hate. Liars and skim milk, which is water that’s lying about being milk”

  • Ron Swanson

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u/sylver_stag Nov 28 '22

"I farted on you when you put banana peppers in the Wheaties." - Carol, The Walking Dead

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u/1amlost Nov 29 '22

“You can always trust quotes you find on the internet.” - Benjamin Franklin

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u/Seagge Nov 29 '22

"Get strapped or get clapped" - George Washington

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u/DogfishDave Nov 28 '22

"82% of all statitistics are made up on the spot" - Jim Muir

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u/ErrantIndy Nov 28 '22

Apathy is Death

-Atton Rand

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u/drekec_pekec Nov 28 '22

Statement: Aaapaaathyyy iiissss deeeaaath

-HK-47

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u/RyanBordello Nov 29 '22

Darth Bane made Darth Vader seem like a bitch. I used to think Vader was dope but after reading the Bane trilogy, that is one badd ass muthafucker

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u/Phrenzy Nov 29 '22

Why u gotta do Annie dirty like that?

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u/Rugged_as_fuck Nov 29 '22

He has done that himself.

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u/Kytyngurl2 Nov 29 '22

“Always crying about Panda bear or whatever her name was.”

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u/AtomStorageBox Nov 29 '22

Oh, I’m sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a thermal exhaust port that was only TWO METERS WIDE. The whole thing wasn’t even paid off yet! Do you have ANY idea what this is gonna do to my credit?!

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u/dashood Nov 29 '22

Oh just rebuild it? Yeah that'll be real fucking original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso lightbright?

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u/imaginary_num6er Nov 28 '22

Literally 1984

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u/MJLDat Nov 28 '22

France is Bacon

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u/BertzReynolds Nov 28 '22

Calm down, Sir.

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u/JustABizzle Nov 28 '22

Sir, this is a Wendy’s

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u/Mr-Tiddles- Nov 28 '22

No. This is Patrick.

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u/BertzReynolds Nov 28 '22

Touché

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u/King_of_the_Dot Nov 28 '22

No touchy!

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u/BertzReynolds Nov 28 '22

But it is part of the method.

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u/AsILayTyping Nov 28 '22

I'm having a love affair with this ice cream sandwich.

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u/MRmandato Nov 28 '22

I understood that reference

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u/Lampmonster Nov 28 '22

Are you fucking sorry!?

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u/teamdogemama Nov 28 '22

I wish I had a thousand awards to give to you. Instead, take my upvote!

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u/FishOfFishyness Nov 28 '22

"Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth! These are the truths of this world!"

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u/Capt_Schmidt Nov 28 '22

What an interesting way to tell the world "I am EVIL!!!"
I thought the no Alcohol did it but...

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u/Socialist_Nerd Nov 28 '22

Qatari officials: "I don't even understand why you guys don't want me to hate gay people. I can't even fathom it, it is functionally beyond my human brain."

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u/Weazelfish Nov 28 '22

It must mean we're all gay as well

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u/jeff_the_weatherman Nov 28 '22

can confirm, am gay

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u/TheCaspica Nov 28 '22

I feel like you're being very divisive right now. Can't you just stop being gay so we can all be happy again?

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

No joy quite like ruining some god-fearing citizen's lunch by holding hands and arguing about whose parents you're spending the holidays with

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u/CandyEverybodyWentz Nov 28 '22

"I feel gay, I feel like a migrant worker..."

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u/postaldude Nov 28 '22

Didn't Baby Johnny of FIFA say he felt gay at the press conference?

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u/RSwordsman Nov 28 '22

Accusations of divisiveness are usually so gross. It's just blatant gaslighting. All it says is "I will not budge on my oppressive opinion, and because you won't come to my side, you alone are the cause of problems." Fuck right off with that.

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u/5ykes Nov 28 '22

Look up the paradox of intolerance. It's a well trodden trope of oppressive regimes.

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u/RSwordsman Nov 28 '22

Oh I'm aware of what it is, and it seems like the push by the intolerant to be accepted by the tolerant has been devastating to the quality of political discourse overall.

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u/Mettpawwz Nov 28 '22

I hate that this is usually framed as a paradox, it's not. It's simple.

You don't tolerate intolerance. It's not a suicide pact.

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u/Twad Nov 29 '22

I was going to say that no one thinks it's an actual paradox but people seem to be defending that idea to some extent.

I would say it's a "paradox" in the way that the birthday paradox is a paradox. It's just a way to express that it's counter intuitive.

I've never seen it presented irl as an actual paradox at least.

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u/mirh Nov 28 '22

It's a paradox because without a "context" it's recursive.

Like, deplatforming nazis is good, but deplatforming some random body just because they don't like orange juice is stupid, if not bad (while still within your rights I guess). Yet it's the same action technically (and god forbid when so many wrongs happened that you cannot even tell who started first).

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u/OnceUponATie Nov 28 '22

I think it's only a paradox because some people see tolerance as an absolute for/against stance.

Nobody accepts everything, or rejects everything. Tolerance is more of a complex spectrum, where overall tolerant people still have stuff they do not tolerate, and intolerant people have stuff they DO tolerate.

I suppose what matters is what/why you do, or do not tolerate certain things.

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u/monsantobreath Nov 29 '22

What I find amusing is people who act like it's impossible to judge context. They're basically arguing that there is no moral argument. Everything is so subjective the only morality is maximum negative liberty. That happens to totally by coincidence benefit the privileged most.

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u/TheNextBattalion Nov 29 '22

It's like hammering a nail into a plank vs hammering a nail into someone's skull. Same tool, same action... but not the same, right? When you add actual harm to people, the equation changes.

In a similar vein, when you actually harm people, you go past the limit of tolerance. Note that by actually harming people that does NOT mean harming their sense of supremacy. Supremacists conflate those, and thus delusionally see equality as just as oppressive as their attempts to brutalize others into hierarchical submission.

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u/Cyberpunkcatnip Nov 28 '22

Really it’s like they are blaming their own divisiveness on the actions of others. Like it’s their fault for causing them to feel offended.

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u/Lanark26 Nov 28 '22

The divisiveness is between them and the modern world they want to think they're part of. They are offended that people are reminding them that they are not.

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u/T1res1as Nov 29 '22

”We wouldn’t be seen as so homophobic if gay people would just cease to exist. It’s all their fault really.”

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u/DPSOnly Nov 28 '22

And that is without mentioning that OneLove is about inclusivity, which Qatar most certainly is not.

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u/abermea Nov 29 '22

It is divisive though

It divides reasonable people and garbage cans

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u/TheNextBattalion Nov 29 '22

"The real problem is not supremacist oppression, but the people fighting supremacist oppression"

---Oppressive Supremacist

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u/MaleficentPi Nov 28 '22

Gotta love Qatar.

No alcohol, no gays, no women’s rights, and a system of abuse for modern day slavery of indentured foreign workers!

Let’s host the FIFA World Cup with players and fans from all over the world who are categorically opposed to the denial of women’s rights, LGBTQA+ oppression, and who traditionally drink a lot of beer during football matches! Oh, and build the stadium using said labor with poor safety practices that kill 6,500 of said indentured foreign workers on the job.

Then: OMG WHY WOULD YOU NOT RESPECT OUR CULTURE???

Gosh, Qatar. It’s so hard to figure out why you’re being called a country of assholes.

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u/Stravven Nov 28 '22

Not only that. They promised a world cup during july in stadiums with air-conditioning and beer where women and gay people were welcome. They delivered none of that.

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u/galacticwonderer Nov 28 '22

Quatar be like: but we spent all this money and if you just do exactly as we say we are really really nice!

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u/lonestar-rasbryjamco Nov 28 '22

Qatar in a few months:

Why didn't all this money we spent improve our global standing? Must be because people are prejudiced against us.

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u/GabeTheJerk Nov 28 '22

If WW2 happened today the Nazi would complain that people are being prejudiced against Aryan culture.

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u/nerdystoner25 Nov 28 '22

gestures broadly at the American right wing

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u/Burggs_ Nov 28 '22

PragerU has been saying being "anti-racist" is actually being "anti-america". Not even trying to hide it at this point.

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u/Dyslexic_Dog25 Nov 29 '22

Let's not forget the white supremacists billboards that say it's not racist to love being white.

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u/CyberMindGrrl Nov 29 '22

Looks sideways at Russia.

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u/spacepilot_3000 Nov 28 '22

That was a cornerstone of nazi propaganda, my dude

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u/NicNicNicHS Nov 29 '22

And it still is, they keep whining and whining about how much everyone hates their white european culture (waving confederate or straight up nazi flags)

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u/veneficus83 Nov 28 '22

I mean, is already 100% what they did.

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u/SilasX Nov 28 '22

"Are they right? Are we a backward country that needs to make fundamental changes to join the civilized world?"

"... no, it's the people we welched on who are wrong."

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u/swarm_of_badgers Nov 28 '22

"Are we the baddies?"

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u/Flapaflapa Nov 29 '22

I don't like skulls.

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u/PolyDipsoManiac Nov 28 '22

They are already dismissing all criticism as racism. Uh, no, your backwards, shithole country locking me up for being gay is not race related.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/25/world/middleeast/qatar-world-cup-criticism.html

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u/meeps1142 Nov 28 '22

Wait are women not allowed in the stadium, or is there a specific dress code or something?

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u/abstractraj Nov 28 '22

There is a dress code for sure and some other restrictions like you can’t room with a man unless you’re married

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u/Fresh4 Nov 29 '22

Ah but two men can room together? That’s good no gay shit happening in there no sir.

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u/Danny-Wah Nov 28 '22

Did they really promise all that??

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u/Stravven Nov 28 '22

The first three were part of their official bid.

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u/DeepLock8808 Nov 28 '22

Me: counting
1: air conditioning
2: beer
3: women
4: gay people

Oh, yep, should have seen that omission coming.

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u/Stravven Nov 28 '22

You missed the fact that the world cup bid said that it would be held in July, that was part of the first three I mentioned. So it would be in summer, in air conditioned stadiums where there would be beer, that's the initial three.

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u/DeepLock8808 Nov 28 '22

Curse you, preschool math!

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u/SparksMurphey Nov 28 '22

But your preschool typing skills are excellent!

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u/skipdividedmalfunct Nov 28 '22

Hold up, women?

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u/King_of_the_Dot Nov 28 '22

They literally said they would have outdoor stadiums with AC. I'm no scientist, but I think it would take half the country's power grid to keep something like that running.

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u/ShadowDragon8685 Nov 28 '22

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh... It depends. See, cold air sinks. That's why freezer chests are so ridiculously economical compared to refrigerators.

It would take a truly herculean effort of modern engineering to get an open-air stadium in the fucking middle east to stay within comfortable temperature ranges, without requiring that a brand-new nuclear power plant be stood-up next door, but it's doable. Just, it would lead to "energy-efficient cooling" being the primary architectural design requirement and everything else except the pitch crammed in around that.

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u/SplyBox Nov 29 '22

All it would take is for the pitch to be about -40 degrees

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u/Reworked Nov 29 '22

Wouldn't that make the ball roll instead of staying put when it's supposed to? Seems pretty extreme.

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u/Malvania Nov 28 '22

I'm not sure about the gays and women part, but the rest was part of their pitch. My recollection was that one of the stadiums was going to be entirely underground to keep it cool.

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u/bitey87 Nov 28 '22

That was turned into a morgue.

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u/fredy31 Nov 28 '22

Qatar seems to have forgotten what is rule 1 of sportwashing.

When the spotlight is on you, you are the perfect country for those you are sportwashing for.

They are doing the inverse. Staying completely trash while the spotlight is on them. And guess what, that spotlight makes the shit even more visible.

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u/I_Framed_OJ Nov 28 '22

Think of the typical MAGA supporter. Now give them more money than they could ever spend, and tell them every day from birth that God favours them more than anyone else on Earth. The person you’re imagining is probably not as ignorant and arrogant as the average Qatari. They know they’re right because they just are, and the rest of the world is wrong. They don’t have to accommodate anyone else; WE have to respect THEM without any reciprocal consideration. The result is that the spotlight is being shone on their medieval ignorance and stupidity. Since they have no interest in learning anything about the rest of the world, they couldn’t have known that their plan would backfire and they’d end up looking worse.

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u/MissLana89 Nov 28 '22 Take My Energy

How has anything backfired? But seriously. Have we stopped doing business with them? No, we're buying volumes like never before due to the Russian situation.

Did we cancel the cup? Nope, record amount of viewers.

Any sanctions or consequences? No, none at all.

So really the only thing that happened is that people talk, very briefly, about something we all knew and have ignored comfortably in the past while they get the prestige of hosting the world cup AND forcing a bunch of western infidels to follow their rules, earning them credits in the Middle East. Sounds like they got exactly what they wanted.

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u/Anosognosia Nov 29 '22

How has anything backfired?

Well I personally will never sign any multi billion dollar trade agreements with Qatar again. /s

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u/MacAttacknChz Nov 28 '22

No alcohol,

Unless you're rich

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u/Drunkenaviator Nov 28 '22

I mean, honestly this is how all rules/laws work. I think the "unless you're rich" bit is just understood nowadays.

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u/NetDork Nov 28 '22

If the punishment for breaking a law is a fine, then it's really "legal for a price".

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u/TheDisapprovingBrit Nov 28 '22

That's not the case in Qatar though. Drinking alcohol is risking jail time for the average fan, but at the stadiums, alcohol is being freely sold in the executive boxes.

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u/csonnich Nov 28 '22

Not just intolerant religious bigots, but hypocrites, too!

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u/zernoc56 Nov 28 '22

Just wait until the Saudi World Cup in 2030. MBS has already started negotiating with FIFA for it. It’ll be Qatar World Cup 2: Petrostate boogaloo!

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u/overzeetop Nov 28 '22

FIFA: We won't be fooled again - we will remember this in all future awards!

MBS: My slaves are currently loading cash into the complimentary Bentley we've procured for you while you're here. We've placed it into a diplomatic pouch for safe keeping. Just so we're clear, nobody will check to see if it's still there after you leave.

FIFA: Qatar who?

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u/persondude27 Nov 28 '22

"Will you be kidnapped, murdered, and dismembered? Why do people keep asking me, it wasn't that big of a deal!" - MBS

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u/defusted Nov 28 '22

It really shows just how shitty people can be. "Hey, let's support an organization that we know encourages human rights violations but not care because it's my super special sports teams!"

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u/Fishtank-Brain Nov 28 '22

John oliver did a big segment about it then he was like “no way i’m gonna boycott the world cup.” what the fuck is wrong with the world?

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u/miguel_is_a_pokemon Nov 28 '22

Truth is that people love their soccer more than they hate FIFA. Nobody's out there going nuts and chanting about how great FIFA the organization is

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u/Tumble85 Nov 28 '22

At least he is honest about it.

It's easy to say you will boycott the WC if you aren't a fan, but it's insane to think that every single fan was going to get so upset by FIFA and Qatar that there would be a noticeable drop in viewers.

It was always going to be a PR battle.

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u/Possible_Truth Nov 28 '22

That’s really common amongst the conservative groups in the US, typically followed by “sO mUcH fOr ThE tOlErAnT lEfT”

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u/Toph-Builds-the-fire Nov 28 '22

A Region of assholes. Let's not sell the rest of the UAE short.

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u/DickButtwoman Nov 28 '22

Eh, I'm not really in full disagreement with you, and I'm not trying to what about here for sure. Qatar is all of those things.

I'm just a little hesitant to say that football fans are categorically for any of those things besides maybe drinking a bunch at a football match.

There's a lot of work to be done on how shitty some fans and the countries they hail from treat LGBTQ and women, not to mention worker's rights....

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u/RectangularAnus Nov 28 '22

Can't tolerate the intolerant. Fuck their culture.

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u/londoner4life Nov 28 '22

So islamophobic

/s

But really, this is how some media is spinning this.

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u/schwan911 Nov 28 '22

Exactly. Just because you are a minority doesn't mean you get to do shitty things. This is like how I criticized Kanye for making antisemitic comments in a bar the other day and a random black woman accused me of racism because white people also make antisemitic comments. Ok, but lady, we were talking about Kanye and a Kanye song is on.

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u/cheerfulflowerss Nov 28 '22

Fuck this. Qatar is a joke.

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u/HEBushido Nov 28 '22

Idk how you say that "One love" is divisive with a straight face. It's the definition of inclusive.

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u/SuperFLEB Nov 28 '22

"We explicitly said there was to be NO LOVE! Stop bringing your love in here. One love is too many love!"

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u/RSwordsman Nov 28 '22

It's divisive if they feel their intolerance of LGBT expression deserves not to be challenged. Basically it divides those who are accepting from those who are not. In my top-level comment I said it's gaslighting because even if we assume that both sides of the issue are valid opinions, it declares that you have no right to express the other one. Accusing someone of it is another way of phrasing "Sit down and shut up." If it's divisive to want to stay away from Qatar until they fix themselves, so be it.

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u/chang-e_bunny Nov 28 '22

I said it's gaslighting because even if we assume that both sides of the issue are valid opinions, it declares that you have no right to express the other one.

Because one position is the status quo, which they feel entitled to, as they are wealthy men who benefit from the status quo. The other is a political stance which seeks to undermine one of their methods to control the population, that method being interjecting the state into the personal sex lives of consenting adults there with righteous indignation.

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u/Capt_Schmidt Nov 28 '22

I think its a fascinating way to admit that you are true and pure evil.

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u/MrJohnnyDangerously Nov 28 '22

"Stop being racist about my homophobia" is not a valid argument.

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u/gregaustex Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22 Helpful

Just goes to show that, given our fundamentally incompatible values on far more than this topic, we "The West" should never have gone there. The problem is that silent participation in the face of oppression is acceptance.

We should not be holding and supporting sporting events in stadiums built by slaves. We should not choose to be gracious guests, or guests at all, of a country that harms gay people and oppresses women, or that does not even permit attendees to express their views on these matters. We should not be "unifying" with such cultures.

You do you and we'll do us, and we agree to disagree, apart, while we continue to call bullshit, is probably the best it gets.

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u/Dippenflipper Nov 28 '22

Qatar. Not even once.

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u/os101so Nov 28 '22

qAtari Teenage Riot has been canceled.

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u/ResoluteClover Nov 28 '22

Let's all come together and love each other!

Qatar: how dare you divide us!

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u/ToxicShark3 Nov 28 '22

They want us to respect their culture but they don't even respect their own people. Born woman or gay? Unlucky

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u/fran13r Nov 28 '22

I like divisive messages that alienate bigots.

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u/JohnHolts_Huge_Rasta Nov 28 '22

Remember people, Qatar doesnt care about modest conversation abiut them. But they seriously care about more harsh and shorter "slogans" like #FuckQatar22 (just watch how it gets downvoted by paid bots with algorithms to downvote those keywords)

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u/gjp11 Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

Plenty of countries around the world do not give gays civil rights. If we limited hosting duties to just those that do the list would be small. It would even disqualify Italy.

But it’s a much smaller number of nations that make being gay, existing as a gay person, a crime in and of itself. And Qatar is one of them. This is the problem. They want me to respect their culture but their culture says my cousin deserves to rot in prison for existing. I’m not going to respect a culture that wants to lock up my family and friends for being alive.

Now Every country needs time to evolve from religious and cultural ignorance that plagues them and makes them hate the LGBT community. It sucks but it is the reality. Remember DOMA was passed in the US in 1990. We were a very homophobic nation until very recently.

But the criminalization of a human beings existence should not be tolerated anymore by any modern nation. And these nations shouldn’t be allowed to host any tournaments until at least that is changed.

No one is telling Qatar they have to evolve overnight. No one is asking for gay marriage there tomorrow but for fucks sake stop imprisoning people because of their existence. Let them exist should be the bare minimum for any society.

The same goes for the other countries that have these laws. And before we solely blame muslim nations a lot of Christian dominated nations in Africa and the Caribbean do the same.

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u/HauntedCemetery Nov 29 '22

Plenty of countries around the world do not give gays civil rights. If we limited hosting duties to just those that do the list would be small.

Sounds like some good incentive for nations who want to participate in world culture to step on into the 21st century. Bigotry being antique doesn't make it acceptable.

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u/Wargoatgaming Nov 29 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

I feel people have grossly misunderstood the objective of Qatar here. They don't want to 'show the world' how lovely Qatar is. They genuinely don't care and never did.

This entire exercise and posturing is designed for the Islamic world alone, They want to be seen as pious and righteous and as good Muslims. 'Standing up to the west's decadent values' and all that.

They have an almost pathological underdog mentality regarding how Saudi Arabia has positioned itself as the centre of the Arab world (mostly due to physically controlling both Meca and Medina).

Qatar wants desperately to be seen as a thoughtful and respectful leader in the Muslim space and will squader money and lives like water in pursuit of that goal.

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u/LetterheadVarious398 Nov 29 '22

Thank you, very educational

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u/CrunchyCds Nov 29 '22

Abrahamic religions be like: "We believe in peace and love" rules and restrictions may apply.

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u/SashaVestra Nov 28 '22

Qatar is ‘world’s dumbest FIFA host’, says the world

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u/Apathetic_Zealot Nov 28 '22

I love the Qatari message: We must respect eachothers differences, except we will not show respect for yours.

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u/PHARA0Hbender Nov 28 '22

You know what is also divisive? How about 5000 dead slave laborers. Suck a fat one Qatar.

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u/whyhercules Nov 28 '22

it’s an anti-discrimination message, it’s not even just gay rights. What’s divisive about being against discrimination unless you think it’s inherently moral to discriminate, Qatar? And if that’s the case, how can it be wrong for others to discriminate against you, Qatar?

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u/Thunder_Gun_Xpress Nov 28 '22

It's only divisive because it's a stark reminder of Qatars backwards ass culture

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u/rocketplex Nov 28 '22

I kinda like the idea of having a blast at Qatar’s expense and then having a wee all over their cornflakes.

The idea that they spent squillions and everyone will hate Qatar even more than they did before is great.

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u/thebestoralist Nov 28 '22

When your “values” negate my right to exist then they’re not respectable or even tolerable. Evil like this must be resisted in every way possible.

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u/Ashura77 Nov 28 '22

You know what sends an even more "divisive" message? Calling homosexuality a mental disease, in 2022, without shame, so yeah, continue showing the world you, Qatar, are backwards, sexist, homophobic, with slave-workers and call others "divisive". Honestly, I am about done hearing from them, we got it, you bigots think yourselves better, now hush hush back into your cave.

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u/SquatDeadliftBench Nov 29 '22

If you look at Pornhub's statistics, read about the history of homosexuality in the Near East, and look into homosexuality among the princes and royalty in the Qatar royal family, you'll quickly learn that the Near East is an extremely closeted and be oppressed region.

Not to mention the level of transexual escorts available in Qatar.

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u/luvdemtiddies Nov 28 '22 Silver

Should gays infiltrate the country and rename it Queertar?

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u/Capt_Schmidt Nov 28 '22

Wow. What an interesting way to Admit that you are evil.

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u/InjuredGingerAvenger Nov 28 '22

Let's say you even bought into Qatar's explaination. Let's say their beliefs aren't assbackwards, but just different. Why the fuck do they get to dictate all morality? Qatar is say they have "a different set of beliefs" but they expect to be given respect while refusing others to express their beliefs.

This isn't "we believe two different things and are seeking respect for our beliefs". This is "we believe two different things, and I'm the only one allowed to share my beliefs". Even if the beliefs weren't discriminatory bullshit, this argument makes no sense.

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u/i__ii Nov 28 '22

If your problem is offending the part of the world that doesn’t believe in human rights then you are part of the problem and should not be in charge of anything. If the Arabic or Islamic part of the world doesn’t believe in humans being equal and deserving of rights then those are things to struggle against and overcome not capitulate to.

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u/AnAlpacaIsJudgingYou Nov 28 '22

Ah yes, acknowledging gay people existing is very divide

/s

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u/MangOrion2 Nov 28 '22

I feel like killing gay people and oppressing women is just slightly more divisive.

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u/AssociateJaded3931 Nov 29 '22

"Divisive" is authoritarian code for something they're against or are afraid of.

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u/Monochrome_Fox_ Nov 29 '22

The divisive message is reminding Qatari officials how much they suck at being human beings and don't deserve to host one of the largest global sporting events

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u/King_Mierdas Nov 29 '22

Read: "we are all pieces of shit and terrible human beings who love opposing others... Pointing that out is very divisive."

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u/Tylerrr93 Nov 28 '22

Fuck Qatar, fuck FIFA, and fuck the World Cup

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u/Chronotaru Nov 28 '22

What I find interesting is that the focus is on gay rights, which is still important and all, but not the 6,000 or so dead migrant workers that every single footballer directly contributed to. Or maybe that's why.

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u/ATXDefenseAttorney Nov 28 '22

Fuckkkk them.

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u/CrossXFir3 Nov 28 '22

It's only divisive if you're an asshole

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u/Hopfit46 Nov 28 '22

Literally....one love.

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u/sugar_addict002 Nov 28 '22

The divisive message is that we don't approve of Qatar's discrimination and harm against the gay community. It is evil. Good is always divisive against evil.

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u/Be_My_Enemy Nov 28 '22

"Your intolerance of my intolerance has deeply offended me!", he squealed

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u/Jomgui Nov 29 '22

Speaking as someone from the country who kills the most LGBT+ in the world, and the 5th with the most women killed. If your countries dehumanize a big part of your population, and there are movements from inside trying to change it... Yes, people should be allowed to criticize your culture.

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u/kiwichick286 Nov 29 '22

I was watching a 60 Minutes episode where Qatari officials forced women off a plane in order to be subjected to cervical exams as they'd found a new born at the airport. A woman said something that's stuck with me. She said that in Qatar being a woman is illegal. These fuckers don't give a shit about what the rest of the world thinks because they're insulated by money. I hope all their crap oil runs out and they lose all their money.

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u/logri Nov 28 '22

If your "religious values" are bigotry and oppression, you can fuck right off. That shit has no place in a modern world.

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u/HefeDontPreach Nov 28 '22

I really need a footballer to get the armband tatted on themselves. Can’t ban them from “wearing” it then

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u/Chronotaru Nov 28 '22

They probably can if they don't cover it up.

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u/jl_theprofessor Nov 28 '22

Shout it from the back: YOU CAN'T COEXIST WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT YOU TO EXIST.

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u/WickedSlice_ Nov 28 '22

Everyone is bagging out Qatar, and I get that, they are a horrible authoritarian nation. But really 100% of the hate should be going towards FIFA for allowing it to occur in such an authoritarian shithole in the first place.

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u/internet_spy Nov 28 '22

Qatar is a loveless place apparently

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u/D33ber Nov 28 '22

We cannot have un8versal love in Qatar. Only Qatar love for Qatari of equal wealth and social standing.

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u/irishperson1 Nov 28 '22

It literally does the opposite you twat.

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u/so_what_do_now Nov 28 '22

The irony is lost on these fuckers

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u/JangusCarlson Nov 28 '22

You don’t want to be included in allowing consenting, loving adults to get married?

Weird line to draw.

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u/RVAforthewin Nov 28 '22

How is love divisive?

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u/munkeyphyst Nov 28 '22

"Stop oppressing 'us' about our oppression and being divisive by highlighting our divisive hate..."

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u/YesAmAThrowaway Nov 28 '22

Because slave labour doesn't, right?

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u/Monsi_ggnore Nov 28 '22

Correct. It divides the world into nice people and assholes.

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u/FriesWithThat Nov 28 '22

I don't recall the OneLove people calling hetro couples an abomination, or that their unions shouldn't be recognized, or allowing for language in their official legal doctrine that calls for capital punishment and imprisonment. It's literally only people who demand the religious freedom to discriminate against other people who are bothered or divided about this issue.

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u/macisr Nov 29 '22

It's funny that countries waste so much money just to host a FIFA World Cup tournament as a way to make good press and increase tourism, and then Qatar comes along and the only thing it did was to put their assholery and corruption in the spotlight lol.

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u/lordkhuzdul Nov 29 '22

Yep. It divides decent people and bigoted fucknuts.

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u/No-Satisfaction78 Nov 29 '22

Oh the people that arrest you for getting raped. That's one of their "values". Kill women for wanting to marry a different person than that who has been arranged. That's another "value". Rapists get the right to marry their victim. Another "value". Pretty wholesome, inclusive, non divisive "values" /s

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u/younggundc Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

So by that yardstick, it would’ve been fine to support the Nazi’s in the 1930’s because going against them would be going against their core values? Or how about my home country of South Africa during apartheid?

What I see this would cup as, is trying to normalize human rights violations that the entire planet has been trying to combat for decades. I don’t care what you believe, just so long as that religion doesn’t end up hurting and harming others.

FIFA should have never allowed this to happen much like FIFA would’ve never allowed the SA to host the games during apartheid. But you know, money.

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u/icematt12 Nov 28 '22

About as divisive as the reactions to Russia this year.