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Twitter suspends Jordan Peterson's account after comments about Elliot Page

https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/celebrities/2022/06/30/62be1b74e2704e92438b456c.html
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u/soda_cookie Jul 01 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Jesus Christ the cookies in that site are outrageous

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

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u/KrombopulosNickel Jul 01 '22

Yooo for real. I remember seeing Juno as a teen and this comment made me think, they played a pregnant high schooler and I'm older than them? Howww?

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u/night-shark Jul 01 '22

This part of the tweet is just as fucking ridiculous:

"Remember when pride was a sin?"

Fucking rich, coming from a man with that kind of ego.

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u/nenoman Jul 01 '22 Silver

I remember when I was in catholic school, a bishop taught us that the 7 deadly sins are technically not sins, since they're not actions in themselves. It's perfectly natural to feel anger; it only becomes a sin if you assault or murder someone. Likewise, pride can either lead to defying your disabilities, weaknesses, and becoming a better man, or becoming an asshole who would never admit his mistakes.

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u/Heazen Jul 01 '22

That's actually a pretty sound interpretation, too bad this kind of nuanced reasoning is not mainstream amongst Christians.

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u/rebellion_ap Jul 01 '22 Silver Helpful hehehehe LOVE!

The best rebuttal for anyone that tries to quote this man non ironically is his own words, from his own mouth, from his own book.

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u/HoneyCrumbs Jul 01 '22

Literally why would anyone write that down. Or publish it. Or read it out loud??

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u/Kudos2Yousguys Jul 01 '22

Also the fact that he's describing a dream he had, for fuck's sake, I can't think of anything more tedious than listening to some narcissist go on about their fucking dreams.

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u/Pornthrowaway78 Jul 01 '22

Last night I dreamt I was cleaning up after an explosive shit while Dr McCoy from Star Trek was in the bathroom telling me about a proxy war China and the USA were having in Ghana.

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u/TheArmchairSkeptic Jul 01 '22

DeForest Kelley or Karl Urban?

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u/EbonyOverIvory Jul 01 '22

Important question!

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u/deepeast_oakland Jul 01 '22

Just the writing down part is the biggest signal for me. What’s wrong with this guy. Why does he think we need to hear every thought that comes into his head.

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u/Shepherddog01 Jul 01 '22

Oh ffs. Im never looking at granny again.

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u/Lipziger Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

So you wanna be blindfolded when stroked by the thick, soft brush? Kinky ...

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u/SoWokeIdontSleep Jul 01 '22

You tried to warn us, and yet here I am, wishing i didn't know how to read right about now.

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u/Buddha_Lady Jul 01 '22

What the actual fuck

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u/Felonious_Quail Jul 01 '22

what? It's a pretty standard sounding grandma pubes brush dream like we've all had countless times right? Right??

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u/honey_lips Jul 01 '22

Well now I know why he's such a loon. Dude really needs some intense trauma based therapy.

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u/dirtielaundry Jul 01 '22 Silver

In case you didn't want to open Twitter, here's his quote. It's kind of fucked...you've been warned.

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u/callmegranola98 Jul 01 '22

Freud would have a field day with that one.

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u/silveake Jul 01 '22

Freud; fuck this I'm out.

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u/Romboteryx Jul 01 '22

“Too fucking easy”

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u/bhengz23 Jul 01 '22

Oedipus would like a word

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u/YetAnotherGilder2184 Jul 01 '22 Wholesome (Pro)

For anyone who doesn't want to open imgur: he dreamed about his grandma's pubic hair

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u/dirtielaundry Jul 01 '22

"yes, Grandma, it's soft."

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u/IWillFindYouAlex Jul 01 '22

I wanted to say something snarky about that being taken out of context, but him dreaming about his Grandma stroking his face with a large paintbrush made of her pubes is so much more disgusting than anything I could imagine.

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u/flowerfo Jul 01 '22

I’m curious wtf the context could possibly be. Like no context for a dream like this. I just can’t imagine a context where he would need to share this dream in writing

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u/IWillFindYouAlex Jul 01 '22

Yep, that's my point. Alpha Lobster Jordan Peterson shared a story that would be slightly less weird if it'd ended with his Grandma's pubes in his teeth. I have no idea why he'd share that.

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u/__RetroFox__ Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

He wrote about it in his book, (which i read to see how batshit crazy it was) and it was a verbose mess of sentences that didn't really mean anything. But from what i recall (and note that i don't believe in this shit)...

JP is a massive fan of "Jungian Archetypes", something proposed by Carl Jung. These archetypes are described as the result of a kind of innate knowledge, derived from the sum of human history, which directs conscious behavior.

As you may imagine, a lot of modern-day psychiatrists don't really believe in them, as there really is no evidence of it, they can't be falsified (meaning they're not scientific) plus the archetypes are reductionist stereotypes that can be applied to nearly everything if you try hard enough.

JP, on the other hand, loves them. Loves to point out the archetypes in stories and mythology. And dreams. It allows him to give meaning where there is none.

One of the archetypes is called the Devouring Mother - or the "Terrible Mother" as JP calls it, because he always wants to be different.

The Devouring Mother is a mother who "devours" her children psychologically and emotionally, through her selfish love. She does love her children, but she is too overprotective and therefore teaches her children to be dependent on her, and thus are unable to function independently in the real world.

As such, when JP had a dream about his grandmother's paintbrush, he immediately tried to psycho-analyse it and came to the conclusion that his grandmother was representing the Devouring Mother.

Later on in the dream he falls into a river and kills a bear, whilst in the river, like some sort of aquatic Rambo.

He explains this by saying that his dying frail grandmother was the destruction of the Devouring Mother, and this enabled him to overcome adversary in his life (the bear).

He also believes that the vagina is a representation of the unknown, so he linked his grandmother's vagina being thrust in his fearful face with the Devouring Mother telling him to be afraid of the unknown.

Basically, he told everyone about his grandmother's muff to tell everyone that over-protective parenting is bad.

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u/Gludens Jul 01 '22

Thanks for giving a good explanation that seem to make the context make sense.

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u/CyberGrandma69 Jul 01 '22

Even the CIA couldn't torture me into admitting a dream like that

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u/withyellowthread Jul 01 '22

Username checks out

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u/Theycallmelizardboy Jul 01 '22

Hey let's be fair here. Maybe it's like a metaphor. You know, like it represents his grandmother's pubes.

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u/shmehdit Jul 01 '22

Somehow even that synopsis is extremely forgiving and doesn't do justice to how fucked the actual dream is, let alone why he felt compelled to include it in a book.

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u/DeadWishUpon Jul 01 '22

Why does he need to share this?

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u/nate6259 Jul 01 '22

Apparently he's in a competition with Lena Dunham for who can write the most disturbing shit that we all have no idea why they ever decided to tell everyone in a book.

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u/caughtatcustoms69 Jul 01 '22

Do not click on that

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u/Genetic_Nudist_AMA Jul 01 '22

I really should have heeded this warning.

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u/Christ_votes_dem Jul 01 '22

let the grandma with dementia caress your face with her matt of pubes

dont fight it

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u/InevitablyWinter Jul 01 '22

Yes grandma, it was soft

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u/lawofficeofbobloblaw Jul 01 '22

🎶 I hurt myself today…🎵

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u/codystockton Jul 01 '22

Grandma, your pube brush is so soft on my face.

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u/blaugrana2020 Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

I remember when he tried to claim that the Bible was the first book and the dumbasses in the Joe Rogan comment section ate it up.

Edit: a bunch of people are asking if he was referring to Gutenberg Bible so I’ll just link the exact video I was referring to. https://youtu.be/Vt9K6kmpx44

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u/Thosepassionfruits Jul 01 '22 Silver

Motherfuckers have never heard of The Epic of Gilgamesh??

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u/Gamilon Jul 01 '22

Gilgamesh and Enkidu at Uruk!

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u/finalmantisy83 Jul 01 '22 Take My Energy Spit-take

Darmok and Jalad at Tangara!

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u/A_Fainting_Goat Jul 01 '22

Shaka, when the walls fell!

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u/Kursed_Valeth Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

Shakira, when her hips don't lie

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u/mourronic Jul 01 '22

Topanga, when the boy met the world

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u/PurpleSailor Jul 01 '22

His eyes, wide open

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u/stonersh Jul 01 '22

Rapungi, when he met the seven!

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u/metaglot Jul 01 '22

Temba, his arms wide

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u/1nstantHuman Jul 01 '22

Captain's Log

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u/MC_Fap_Commander Jul 01 '22

Or maybe a little thing callled "The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis?"

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u/darkxarc Jul 01 '22

Is it possible to learn this story?

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u/Christompaman Jul 01 '22

I heard he had abilities that some would call unnatural.

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u/calamity_joe Jul 01 '22

His debate with Matt Dillahunty is also a disaster. The guy just says stuff sometimes. He just says it in a very nebulous and metaphorical way and when you have to ask him what he means by that, he reverts to the Cathy Newman interview defense. Granted, she was a genuinely awful and dishonest interviewer, but once he saw how well he came out of that interview, he uses that excuse literally everywhere even when it doesn't apply.

You can ask someone "Are you saying X?" to put words in their mouth but you can also ask them that for clarity. Peterson is the king of stacking non-concrete words and then not defining his terms, or even changing his definitions. He gets away with it because every time you try to pin him down on a term, he changes it or plays victim. He wins a lot of arguments this way and it's dishonest pseudo-intellectual debate without evidence.

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u/aaronblue342 Jul 01 '22

He didnt even read the whole manifesto, he was confused on points addressed past the first few pages.

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u/spinto1 Jul 01 '22

It's not exactly a hard thing to get through. It can be boring, but it's not difficult to grasp. I guess he just lived an incredibly sheltered life and never had to deal with anybody below his class or hear about their socioeconomic concerns and strife.

What an uneventful life to lead.

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u/Lyoss Jul 01 '22

As it turns out, the glizzy gobbling racoon is significantly more intelligent than the king of the room cleaning lobsters

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u/_zenith Jul 01 '22

Yes. It's a short pamphlet designed for reading by the common working class person of the time - mostly labourers, farmers. Not exactly a big ask as far as research goes lmao

It's not Das Kapital.

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u/Direksone Jul 01 '22

“Where sniff are the cultural sniff marxists Jordan?”

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u/breadcreature Jul 01 '22

"Pleashe, just name me one"

Peterson sputtering uselessly

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u/NovaLibertas Jul 01 '22

I heard that.

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u/brandonjslippingaway Jul 01 '22

We heard it, and we all pictured the fidgeting to boot

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u/knave-arrant Jul 01 '22

That’s not winning an argument. My 12 year old nephew can and will do the same thing in an argument. When you debate this way you don’t “win” because you’re not following the rules of the game. It’s just that chodes who follow him will believe he won, just like Trumps followers even when he says nothing of substance.

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u/TwoBionicknees Jul 01 '22

The problem with debates is you aren't winning against your opponent, or fighting your opponent directly, you win if the audience believes what you said more than the other person and that's why all these debate bro tactics work. Confuse and frustrate the audience and make the other person seem really aggressive by asking so many pointed questions. It's crazy, it's why the entire field is something I have no interest in. You watch a video with a Shapiro or anyone else and all it generally has is two morons duking it out with shitty debate bro tactics in front of a targeted audience of people who already want to hear what you're saying which lets you win and the audience reinforce often shitty beliefs.

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u/calamity_joe Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

Yes, but this style of argument is very effective for people that don't understand how to think critically and consider evidence. I think most popularly, this style of deceptive argumentation is used for creationism or God beliefs. Someone will criticize some propositions (usually the least strong ones) made to make them seem like the entirety of the the proposition is based on faulty evidence and then claim that their proposition "wins" by default. It looks like this: "Radiometric dating has been shown to be sometimes inaccurate and therefore it cannot be used as a reasonable measure of the lifetime of the Earth. Because of this, the timescale necessary for evolution has not occurred and so my god must have been the cause."

Obviously, this skirts the burden of proof to support that belief entirely but is still very convincing to some one who is predisposed culturally to accept that belief.

Lately, I've seen it a lot with the lab-leak theory of Covid. Lots of laymen, pop-intellectuals on social media and even academic papers will rely on coincidence and poking holes in the natural theory, but provide no actual evidence to support that the lab leak happened on its own. There may be an argument to be made about lab leak, but it needs to be supported by evidence, not conjecture, emotion and gaps-based logic.

Nevertheless, vast numbers of people subscribe to these beliefs based off of this style of argument. r/China_Flu started as the coronavirus subreddit and has gradually morphed into a wasteland of bad logical arguments exactly like this. Similarly, troll around on your local news YouTube channel comment section and you'll see both really ignorant people and semi-logical people convinced by this. It's a very insidious technique and grossly effective even if it is childishly simple at its core.

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u/Ballistica Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22 Heartwarming

Ask historians covered this once upon a time and it really reflects the same on science:

Unless you are experienced and knowledgeable in a field, you have no ability to understand the data within the context of the greater body of evidence. The scientific consensus so to speak.

Plenty of people here know reddit are intelligent enough to read and understand a single paper, enough to find one that supports their belief, but they lack the expertise to put that in context of the wider field.

I see it all the time in genetics and I have seen it so much with anti-vaxxers its started really pissing me off.

Nothing they say is a lie, they aren't bending the truth, they are simply finding a single piece of evidence that suits their narrative and treating that as if I reflects the entire consensus or somehow undoes it. It's not lying it's just dishonest, even if they don't know it.

One of my own papers goes against the the current understanding of my particular area of expertise. I would be an absolute fool to think my papers some how invalidates the consensus. It's just one more data point amongst the rest. It's not always going to agree, but what it does do is further our understanding. Maybe the consensus is wrong, maybe my work is flawed, or more likely, both are right and what I saw only reflects certain conditions that are currently undiscovered.

I have yet to read a single paper that states in the discussion "we are right everyone else is wrong".

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u/Folsomdsf Jul 01 '22

People don't understand that when the experiment is done 500 times the 100 that disagreed are important. We don't throw them out we ask why they disagree, there could be extremely valuable information about what we were testing. Minor changes in conditions that occured commonly enough to detail 1/5th of runs. They might reveal something new but it doesn't mean the rest are wrong.

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u/lazydogjumper Jul 01 '22

The problem occurs when certain people decide that 1/5 disagreement invalidates the other 400. And then those people pass legislation.

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u/_zenith Jul 01 '22

Yeah, but remember, they're not really trying to win the argument with the other person.

They're trying to win it in the eyes of the viewers - it's rhetoric. Much easier, and much more open to manipulation.

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u/majesticbagel Jul 01 '22 Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy

Who would know more about criminal physicians than the man who "recalls waking up from coma confused tethered and 'surrounded by people speaking a foreign language'" because no doctor in north america was 'brave' enough to provide him this treatment for benzo addiction/withdrawal. Imagine thinking people can't make their own health decisions when you've literally flown across the world to get a dangerous procedure no sane doctor was willing to attempt.

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u/SmarkieMark Jul 01 '22

Like Rush Limbaugh railing against drug addicts right after railing a bunch of Oxy.

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u/moeburn Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

I don't understand why he did that. There are plenty of doctors in America (edit: and even MORE here in Canada) who will give you a slow taper to wean yourself off benzos, even if you were getting them illegally. He could have flown to L.A. there's dozens of such doctors there. It takes a few years but when you stretch it out like that it's really not that hard.

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u/Impressive-Potato Jul 01 '22

It wasn't driven by logic. He thinks he's smarter than everyone else so no one can tell him anything contrary to what he thinks. He claims to have read 300 books on climate change and that it's not real, he claims eating an all beef and water diet cured him of his ailments. He has to be dr. Know it all

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u/gurmzisoff Jul 01 '22

Has to walk naked down the street with an aluminum canoe on his head because nobody else is doing it.

That's fucking bullshit, I did that in 2008 and all I got was my canoe stolen and several thousands in bail money lost.

EDIT: It was a Grumman canoe, too, for anyone who was wondering.

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u/StoneyTangawizi Jul 01 '22

80 lbs of cold sex appeal

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u/gurmzisoff Jul 01 '22

If you thought I'm still salty about losing that canoe, you're goddamn right.

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u/Westwood_Shadow Jul 01 '22

I thought you were joking until you specified the canoe and now I'm not sure what to believe.

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u/MedTechSpurs Jul 01 '22

Yeah he told Joe Rogan he only eats beef - nothing else. And if he eats even one other thing he can’t sleep for a month. He is highly unstable

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u/racinreaver Jul 01 '22

Can he have, like, potatoes on the side or some chimichurri sauce on top? Is chicken fried steak ok or is there too much starch? Why do I think there's even a chance he's this internally consistent?

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u/MVRKHNTR Jul 01 '22

Literally just beef. Doesn't even season it.

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u/Sprmodelcitizen Jul 01 '22

What a stupid fucking thing to brag about. Like people who brag about never reading a book. Good for you buddy.

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u/FortCharles Jul 01 '22

That's what he claims, anyway. I'm sure he cheats on that.

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u/itoddicus Jul 01 '22

There was a cult around for a while where the cult leaders claimed they only needed air for sustenance.

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u/FortCharles Jul 01 '22

Breatharians, yes. Slightly less healthy than an all-beef diet, but both are nuts.

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u/---------_----_---_ Jul 01 '22

Everyone knows the breatharian thing is bullshit, you have to supplement it with sunlight on your asshole.

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u/Sprmodelcitizen Jul 01 '22

Didn’t the leader get caught by his followers chowing down on a big gulp and some other goodies in a 711?

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u/GIJobra Jul 01 '22

Man, he's really gunning for that “whitest white guy” award this year.

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u/The_Grubby_One Jul 01 '22 Silver

I think he's gunning for extreme malnutrition, cancer, and heart disease.

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u/JoJoJet- Jul 01 '22

Has to walk naked down the street with an aluminum canoe on his head because nobody else is doing it

Did this actually happen or is it just beautiful hyperbole. Sorry, I don't wanna Google "Jordan Peterson naked"

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u/Christopherfromtheuk Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

Fwiw, I googled Jordan Peterson canoe And then Jordan Peterson kayak

But nothing obvious came up in the results.

Not to say it didn't happen, but I don't think it did.

Edit: so I bit the bullet and googled the same phrases, inserting the word "naked".

To my relief, nothing came up still, although it did produce some batshit stuff about his daughter. Not a rabbit hole I'm going down...

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u/inconspiciousdude Jul 01 '22

Good on you for double-checking with "kayak."

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u/Parapolikala Jul 01 '22

Try again with "dragon boat of chaos".

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u/Icy_Day_9079 Jul 01 '22

But because of that comment there will be a record of a spike in searches for Jordan Peterson naked canoe. The FBI guys who monitor the internet will be like

“He must have done it, there’s dozens of people searching for it.”

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u/poorly_anonymized Jul 01 '22

And someone will write an article referencing the comment, and people will start writing reddit comments referencing the article.

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u/mothrider Jul 01 '22

It wasn't to feel special, he was addicted and wasn't willing to go through the withdrawal symptoms so he looked for an easier way out.

He had previously attempted (stupidly) stopping abruptly, as well as dosage reductions but couldn't handle the symptoms at all. He claims (as a trained psychologist) that he wasn't aware of the withdrawal symptoms.

He then accused western doctors of not having the "guts" to do a stupid procedure that almost killed him just because he didn't want to experience discomfort.

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u/sonofjim Jul 01 '22

He’s a giant hypocrite. Not surprising.

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u/theholyraptor Jul 01 '22

100%. Look at all the free advertisement already.

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u/VermiciousKnnid Jul 01 '22

Just signed with DailyWire. It is pretty sus.

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u/thesuper88 Jul 01 '22

Whoa, wait, he did?! Then that actually makes perfect sense because their big push right now is some documentary about the dangers of transitioning or something to that effect.

It actually makes perfect sense that he'd pull some shit like that.

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u/andygates2323 Jul 01 '22

I was wondering is he has a new book to promote, that'll do.

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u/iforgotmymittens Jul 01 '22

Probably on the benzos again.

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u/Piano_Fingerbanger Jul 01 '22 Endless Coolness

Peterson isn't allowed to tweet again until he cleans his room.

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u/indoninja Jul 01 '22

Or pets a cat.

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u/secretdrug Jul 01 '22

to be fair, if everybody pet a cat before they said/did/posted/tweeted anything the world would probably be a lot better off.

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u/joecool42069 Jul 01 '22

Why are people like him so obsessed with what other people do with their bits?

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u/Red5point1 Jul 01 '22 Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy Starry

he is a Christian fundamentalist who hides behind psychobabble rants.

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u/gaymuslimsocialist Jul 01 '22

While I’m not a fan of his recent stunts, I wonder if Christian fundamentalist is a fair description. Isn’t his whole point to move beyond a literal understanding of the Bible? Additionally he actively engages with practitioners of different faiths such as Muslim scholars, he practices kundalini yoga, etc.

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u/janglebo36 Jul 01 '22

This. He’s well educated and very eloquent. This allows his dbaggery to sound really smart to people who don’t critically think about his message.

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u/of-matter Jul 01 '22

Join with me in watching this brilliant imitation once more.

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u/DreamPig666 Jul 01 '22

I haven't laughed this hard in, like, a month. Thanks.

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u/Lifeboatb Jul 01 '22

The ad in front of this was actually for some Jordan Peterson series featuring a lot of clips of him squeakily expounding about nothing, so I thought for a while that the reality was the parody. It's pretty hard to tell.

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u/PensiveObservor Jul 01 '22

Would you say he’s an uneducated, frightened man’s idea of a brilliant, confident man?

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u/Michael_G_Bordin Jul 01 '22

He appeals to guys who feel like little boys needing big papa to come in and tell them everything is going to be all right. I've never seen anyone get sucked into his shit that wasn't going through some severe crisis of masculinity. It's fucking fascinating.

I guess, thanks, Dad, for instilling in me a sense of what it means to be a man; a masculinity that involves self-reflection, humility, and rejection of authority.

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u/Kryptosis Jul 01 '22

I'll admit he had me fooled for a few months. Why is it that every outspoken libertarian quickly turns out to be a bigoted, selfish asshole?

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22

I used to be a libertarian, and then I discovered that them being right wing demagogues isn’t a trick but an implicit trait.

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u/Roku-6 Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

Well as other have said... and I'll try to say it in less hostile terms...

It's that core libertarian beliefs are almost always born out of a desire to serve one's self interest, not a grander political theory on how a realistic society could work.

So it's mostly half baked excuses on why society should be set up to support their personal wants.

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u/MsEscapist Jul 01 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

If they'd just go with the everyone stay out of my business and I'll stay out of yours I'd not have a problem. But it's fucking rich to call for personal liberty and then demand the government regulate things you don't like. A libertarian should give zero fucks about someone else's surgery or sex life, yet so many of them fucking seem to.

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u/Fluff42 Jul 01 '22 Wholesome

“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." -- John Rogers

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u/ChahmedImsure Jul 01 '22 Gold

They turn their selfishness into moral stances, then try to apply those moral stances to everything.

So you get stances like "taxation is theft", because the good of society does not matter while preserving what you have is the most sacred thing imaginable.

They are in an ideology where anything the government could ever do to help someone is immoral by default.

That being the case, it is an easy thing to hide behind for bigots. An ideology where civil rights legislation is at best "ends justify the means" is perfect for dishonestly arguing against progress.

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u/jeeb00 Jul 01 '22

I think your question is the answer.

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u/janglebo36 Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

I’m glad you saw the truth! Yeah, I was raised libertarian, and it’s all hat and no cattle so to speak. They cherry-pick Liberties too

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u/TheLateThagSimmons Jul 01 '22

They cherry-pick Liberties too

This is one of the most annoying parts about them.

Overall, they're authoritarian as fuck. They just have a fetish for complaining when the Government prevents them from being complete and total assholes.

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u/BitterBatterBabyBoo Jul 01 '22

They know they'll never be king so they want a personal fiefdom. That's the motivation.

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u/MichaelScottWeiland Jul 01 '22

Everyone’s a libertarian until their living room is on fire

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u/Wayward_Angel Jul 01 '22 Silver Gold

As always, the Alt-Right Playbook has the perfect summary of this:

https://youtu.be/agzNANfNlTs?t=697

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u/EbonBehelit Jul 01 '22

That whole series is basically as close to required viewing as Youtube videos on politics can get. It's incredible just how often at least one video is relevant to what the GOP are doing.

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u/Ness303 Jul 01 '22

Remember, conservatives value certainty above almost all else, which means that if they meet a person, and they can't be certain of their sex, they don't know how to interact with them

This is why there are people who get really mad at those who are more androgynous looking. I've had people ask me "Are you a boy or a girl" because the level of respect I will receive is based on my answer.

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u/Tag_Ping_Pong Jul 01 '22

It's always about sex and genitalia. Far out, move onto something else.

"I'm uncomfortable with your sexuality / sexual identity."

"Okay then, don't participate. Also, I don't want you to. Also, why even bring it up?"

Conversation over.

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u/tomdarch Jul 01 '22

It's not quite that cut and dried. Elliot Page expects other people to treat him with basic human decency and respect.

Some people are not up to that high level of moral challenge.

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u/geekmasterflash Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome Starry Today I Learned

Do you know what the best part of this is? His tweet to Page was that they got an elective medical procedure done by a crooked doctor.

THIS MOTHER FUCKER? He went to Russia to be put into a drug induced coma to...[[checks notes]]...get a questionable elective procedure to help him get over a benzo addiction.

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u/Cli4ordtheBRD Jul 01 '22

Shit I knew he went to Russia to get over his pill addiction, but I didn't know that he went into a medically-induced coma to get over it (I don't think I've ever heard that treatment ever used by any rehab center).

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u/Neuchacho Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

I'm pretty sure it couldn't legally be done in the US.

edit: nope. Lots of detox centers appear to offer it here for alcohol addiction. But it looks like people are mostly going out of country for harder stuff. Seems a bit grey in who you can find to actually take on the liability to do it, but legally it seems OK.

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u/AnukkinEarthwalker Jul 01 '22

Something similar is offered called rapid detox under sedation. Keeps you asleep but not in a coma so to speak.. They do it for opiate dependence not sure about benzo cause there is a seizure risk there.

I had a friend detox from alcohol awhile back and while he said they never totally sedated him.. said he basically only woke up to eat and was heavily drugged.

Benzo is a different ball game cause they are drugs used in many other detox processes

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u/hambamthankyoumam17 Jul 01 '22

Hey I have an opioid addiction after needing 7 surgeries in 4 years. Where does one get this knocked out treatment to quit something addictive?

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u/Flashy_Ad_4993 Jul 01 '22

Just google rapid detox in your area, and make sure whoever you choose is legit. I’m on suboxone, for a pill addiction and love it. I have my life back and no cravings. Eventually I’m gonna have to kick the suboxone though.

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u/CJShort Jul 01 '22

I gave up alcohol and replaced it with caffeine.

I think that's the secret- the only way over an addiction is to find another one. My buddy uses religion, another acquaintance uses adrenaline-inducing activities. Whatever works and makes your life better, I guess.

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u/Mobwmwm Jul 01 '22

I had been addicted to them since highschool and methadone saved my life. After a few years I tapered off slowly and have been off of it for about a month now. In all honesty it's worth a shot

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u/zenunseen Jul 01 '22

Don't be fooled, alcohol is every bit as dangerous as benzos and opiates. In fact, alcohol withdrawals are potentially lethal, along with benzos because of the possibility of seizures.

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u/DopeBoogie Jul 01 '22

Alcohol and benzos are actually significantly more dangerous than opiates as the withdrawal can cause seizures and even kill you.

Nobody dies from opiate withdrawal, it just feels like you're dying.

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u/TrumpWasaHoax Jul 01 '22

Benzos and alcohol are the only 2 drugs that can kill you from withdrawals.

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u/multim43 Jul 01 '22

Agree ..benzo can eff your Brain. I had to do a slow taper but it was still hell.

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u/ColdCruise Jul 01 '22

Yep. Me too. I had a panic attack in the ER while being treated for something unrelated. They pumped me full of Ativan. My primary care was like if it helped here's a script. I started having more panic attacks, so the doctor up my dosage then switched me to Klonopin. Turned out I was having interdose withdrawals. I had to ween my self after my doctor basically told me to just stop taking them. I still ended up with protracted acute withdrawal syndrome and even 18 months since my last dose, I'll get the occasional wave of withdrawals. It's manageable now, but when I first started going off, I had to move back in with my parents for a month because I couldn't take care of myself anymore. I had lived on my own for 12 years with no issues. The thing is, I only took them for about 5 months and never more than what my doctor told me was a low dose. That's how quickly it can get that bad. Honestly, I would have preferred to have been in a medically induced coma for all of that.

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u/Courts121781 Jul 01 '22

I stopped cold turkey and it took over six months for my body to fully recover. My bowels were messed up for the entire duration of that six months which wasn’t as bad as the withdrawal itself but benzos are just bad news all around. I was having worse panic attacks on Xanax after a few months than without taking it and it blew my mind how stupid the drug was.

All in all, it’s a pill that should only be taken as prescribed and not, as my doctor put it, if I thought was going to have a panic attack. “No, just take these 3 times a day if you anticipate a panic attack.” Well, the more I took it, the worse the panic attacks so I was taking them every 8 hours.

I will never take Xanax again. I have a script for Ativan that I’ve averaged about one a year. I couldn’t tell you the last time I’ve taken it even.

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u/faustpatrone Jul 01 '22

Same with me, too me months to finally be done.

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u/Neuchacho Jul 01 '22

It would make some sense that they don't want to risk sedation for drugs that are horrible, but not necessarily a mortality risk to detox from I suppose.

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u/jtapostate Jul 01 '22

While his wife was undergoing treatment for cancer

Everyone leaves this out.

Wife has life threatening cancer. He leans into drugs. Goes to Russia and is put into a coma.

Meanwhile his wife is scared shitless, alone and undergoing harsh chemo and he is lying in state in a dug induced coma for weeks

He admits all this and says his wife's cancer increased his drug dependence

Can't make this shit up.

No wonder he is worried about the modern male. Fuck I get scared when I read this shit

Too bad she wasn't with a real man. Someone should give Elliot her number

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u/Aedalas Jul 01 '22

Wow, what a wild article

Speaking of, what the fuck is with the article here about him being a fuckwad to Elliot Page? Halfway through it switches to his fucking resume, why would anybody report on him being an intolerant asshat then immediately start sucking him off?

Fuck JP and whoever the fuck wrote this article too.

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u/TheLiberalOgre Jul 01 '22

This was after making a fortune off of selling his self help books that teach you how to be as happy and awesome as him.

His followers are dumbass rubes.

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u/ItHappenedToday1_6 Jul 01 '22

not just a "crooked" doctor, he straight up called the doctor a criminal. That's some fucking libel.

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u/lilpumpgroupie Jul 01 '22

He referred to trans surgery as 'butchery' within a week of this, too.

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u/DefNotMyNSFWLogin Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

Dude is Canadian, acting like they just overturned Roe v. Wade.

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u/Juswantedtono Jul 01 '22

Of course, in his lectures he says that the only way to overcome addiction is to have a spiritual transformation and convert to Christianity. But when he gets an addiction, he opts for a medically-induced coma instead.

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u/TheOtherBookstoreCat Jul 01 '22

Be fair: his religious charts are really hard to follow. Like there’s arrows and dragons and stuff. I’d go coma too.

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u/Jasmine1742 Jul 01 '22

Usually "men good, women bad, LGBTQ Satan," gets you pretty far through his nonsense

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u/johnaross1990 Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22 Silver

For someone who alleges intelligence and wisdom he’s displaying a disappointing ineptitude at the basics of common courtesy.

His grandmother should have read him better stories

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u/Rusty_The_Taxman Jul 01 '22

Speaking of which... Have you heard him describe his sex dream involving his own grandmother from his recent book? It's pretty uh... Enlightening.

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u/Cpt_Lazlo Jul 01 '22

I'd rather not and I'm upset you even told me it exists out there

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u/johnaross1990 Jul 01 '22

Was I too subtle? 😂

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u/_wrennie Jul 01 '22

Hol up. What???

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u/OldWillingness7 Jul 01 '22

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9702164-i-dreamed-i-saw-my-maternal-grandmother-sitting-by-the

“I dreamed I saw my maternal grandmother sitting by the bank of a swimming pool, that was also a river. In real life, she had been a victim of Alzheimer’s disease, and had regressed, before her death, to a semi-conscious state. In the dream, as well, she had lost her capacity for self-control. Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair, compacted into something resembling a large artist’s paint-brush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm, several times, to deflect her hand; finally, unwilling to hurt her, or interfere with her any farther, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush, gently, and said, like a child, “isn’t it soft?” I looked at her ruined face and said, “yes, Grandma, it’s soft.”

― Jordan B. Peterson, Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief

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u/KeepsFallingDown Jul 01 '22

For god sakes why did I read the whole quote

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u/color_thine_fate Jul 01 '22

thick mat of hair

That's when I stopped. Thick mats of hair exist naturally to keep things out. So out, I will be.

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u/pm_me_some_kitties2 Jul 01 '22

Same. The moment I saw grandma, genital region, and thick mats of hair all in once sentence, is when I knew it was time for me to leave.

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u/TheDrDojo Jul 01 '22

It was like watching a trainwreck, I couldn't look away.

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u/OrphanDextro Jul 01 '22

Well, at least he had empathy for his grandma in that moment.

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u/Clionora Jul 01 '22

For further nightmare fuel, you can listen to him reading it aloud in the audiobook version!!! The h3h3 podcast is on fire with clips from it, frequently. It is indeed Jungian nutso cringe, yet highly entertaining.

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u/NewSauerKraus Jul 01 '22 Table Slap

What a terrible day to be literate.

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u/ArsenicAndRoses Jul 01 '22

Why in the absolute fuck would he share that? Jesus. Sounds like someone needs therapy.

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u/metamet Jul 01 '22

That's just... something you keep to yourself.

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u/Postofficenerd Jul 01 '22

Wow. I've heard dude was extra but this shit takes the cake. Glad I got out of the "Manosphere" soon as I did, I couldn't imagine listening to this garbage and respecting this guy.

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u/nomad80 Jul 01 '22

THIS MOTHER FUCKER? He went to Russia to be put into a drug induced coma to...[[checks notes]]...get a questionable elective procedure to help him get over a benzo addiction.

seems ripe for a "this u?" tweet

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u/LeonCrimsonhart Jul 01 '22

Too late for that, I guess.

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u/tigernike1 Jul 01 '22

I don’t know what Mr. Peterson’s fascination is with the LGBTQ+ community, but he sure talks about it a lot. Often, with his foot in his mouth.

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u/Roku-6 Jul 01 '22

Culture wars fuel his finances.

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