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Vietnam Vet talks about how it really was over there

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u/joculator Aug 12 '22 Silver Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

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u/grovbroed Aug 12 '22

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u/philbax Aug 12 '22 Helpful

Thanks! 15 min limit was leaving us hanging mid-sentence!

Youtube vid leaves us hanging at the end of a sentence! :)

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u/TuftedWitmouse Aug 12 '22

It's like that goat with its balls stuck in the horns of the other goat. WTF happened!??!

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u/philbax Aug 13 '22

I MUST KNOW!

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u/Bathroomsteve Aug 13 '22

There has to be a full version somewhere, let me know if you stumble across it

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u/Mac_n_Sleeze Aug 12 '22

Exactly what I came to the comments for . God speed my friend.

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u/VeganSlayer Aug 12 '22

This guy is a great storyteller.

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u/ColtChevy Aug 12 '22

Ikr haha He starts talking about his girlfriend and I’m like “yes please go on”

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u/emalemmaly Aug 12 '22

I wanted to watch him talk for much longer. Initially I thought “ugh, 15 minutes?!” Then by the end I was looking at the clock going “man I’m going to get a cliff hanger here”

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u/BenovanStanchiano Aug 12 '22

I was like “why am I even starting this vide…oh this is good”

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u/voidoid Aug 12 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

He's also a fantastic author (Karl Marlantes). He wrote a nonfiction book, What it is Like to Go to War, and probably the most incredible Vietnam combat fiction novel I've ever read - Matterhorn.

EDIT: Actually it's W. D. Ehrhart, I got them mixed up.

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u/AngryGiraffe- Aug 13 '22

Thank you for this. I just ordered the book. Looking forward to reading it.

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u/AugustWest7120 Aug 12 '22

War is a racket.

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u/mikey_lava Aug 12 '22

Always has been.

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u/3ndwarr10r Aug 12 '22

Always will be

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u/kahran Aug 12 '22

Never changes

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u/one-two-ten Aug 12 '22 Rocket Like

General Smedley Butler

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u/MattIsAUsername Aug 12 '22

What is it good for?

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u/potatorichard Aug 12 '22

Absolutely nothin

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u/Remarkable_Money_369 Aug 12 '22

Say it again!

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u/pitchedBlarfy Aug 12 '22

"you all!" -Jackie Chan

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u/PHRESH21 Aug 12 '22

It ain't you all, its Y'all!!

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u/pitchedBlarfy Aug 12 '22

yaw!..?

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u/iestructural Aug 12 '22

Stop sayin' it like a karate move!

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u/TrashOpen2080 Aug 12 '22

Did you know that the original title of War and Peace was War, What Is It Good For?

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u/TheMilkyEh Aug 12 '22

Jerry, it's a line from that song.

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u/Calm-Drop-9221 Aug 12 '22

Frankie Goes to Hollywood was a top cover...crazy vid for it's time...

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u/hondenfluisteraar Aug 12 '22

My father was also an articulate veteran. Who could describe the absurdity of war, and the blazing discrepancy between the reality in theatre and the news at home, and the forced uncomfortable nonchalance at the death of brothers he cared for more than anyone he shared life with back home. He wrote about it at length in metaphors that were hardly believable. He tried the rest of his life to make those of us who weren’t there understand, and he died feeling he failed. The written & spoken word (& definitely film) are simply a glimpse at best. Those of us lucky enough to have never experienced it will never understand. He was in WW2 - the glory reels the gentleman in this clip was lured into Vietnam with.
War doesn’t change. “We the unwilling, led by the unqualified, kill the unfortunate, and die for the ungrateful.”

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u/GadreelsSword Aug 12 '22

This is what happens when politicians make decisions about things they have no clue about and are catering to corporate interests.

Look around you, we’re up to our waists in it here in America. We’ve become acclimated to it.

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u/seansmithspam Aug 12 '22

For real. I wish people would see that this war wasn’t an anomaly. Pretty much every american war is fought for the same bs reasons. And every vet was lied to (except for the stupid ones who aren’t insightful enough to see the truth)

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u/GiveMeMonknee Aug 12 '22

Yeah I think nowadays people are becoming rapidly aware of how pointless war is and how we are lied to about the real reasons for going to war, usually they use religion as a way to make going to war a little less scary than they idolize war vets etc like their hero's when reality is they aren't doing anything heroic for their country by going other than for the countries own hidden selfish agendas (for example 9/11 being used as a way to invade Afghanistan but than staying there for years on end killing even after they killed Osama?).

I probably got a pretty controversial opinion about how I feel with war but I definitely feel like with the internet and how social media is it's now a lot easier to see through all the BS and be able to tell what's right from wrong war wise, like for example most people can probably see how Russia and China are in the wrong for trying to take over Ukraine / Taiwan even if it's because their fearful.

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u/usgrant7977 Aug 13 '22

In 20 to 30 years the ruling g class will create a new -ism to fight against. Anarchism, Communism, Terrorism, whatever. Then a new generation will fight.

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u/dillrepair Aug 12 '22 edited Aug 12 '22

Which is many of them because the ‘best’ and the brightest (or the richest) found ways out of having to be put in those awful positions of being the one on patrol. Getting sniped. The poor folks, less intelligent folks, black and brown folks…. Got put right in the line of fire. My dad talks about it all the time.. and for the longest time I didn’t understand why he would bring up the people he vaguely knew from his adolescence or young adulthood who went over and did get straight up drafted … but now I understand: he feels guilty. He knows he quite literally dodged a bullet by preemptively joining the reserves and going to school etc and he, to this day, feels guilt of knowing so many that did get drafted and either didn’t come back or came back fubar. And I can’t blame him a bit for his choices. We don’t all Have to experience what this guy in the video is talking about to understand it… in fact the opposite needs to be true… we need to learn from it and remember so nobody has to experience it anymore.

Too bad we suck at learning

And no bill…. Wherever you are today… You were not in fact wasting film. Immorality for this man and this film. Never forget what he said here.

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u/crookedmarzipan Aug 12 '22

Propaganda comes in various forms, and we should never delude ourselves by thinking that we're immune to it.

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u/dillrepair Aug 12 '22

That’s why some say we manufacture sociopathy in America. It can be directly traced to the rise of the radical/Christian right wing, you know who else, etc.

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u/luisxciv Aug 12 '22

I would trace it back to capitalist imperialism. Left and right to blame. Zinn and Chomsky illustrate very well how the political economy of the us works.

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u/samtbkrhtx Aug 12 '22

My father was drafted and went to Nam about the same time as this guy.

For most of his life, we all had to bear the wrath of his behavior after going there. I am pretty sure my dad had what they now call PTSD. However, there was no Wounded Warrior Foundation to help him or my uncle and we all just had to live with the anger, outbursts and other actions as we grew up.

Dad and my uncle NEVER talked about the war and they also discourage my brother and I (both older Gen Xers) from enlisting or serving in the military. You knew NOT to ask Dad about the war and he would not watch any movies or television shows that were about that period. Dad never saw the movies Apocalypse Now, Rambo or Platoon...nor did he want to

This war screwed up thousands of people, and in the end...for what?

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u/Extra_Advance_477 Aug 12 '22

My father did two tours in Nam. He came back insisted i never join the armed forces.

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u/Comfortable-Cod-2501 Aug 12 '22 Helpful Wholesome Seal of Approval

My dad came back in a body bag. I was 10 months old. While I am thankful for our Armed Forces, I am so glad my children never had an interest in joining

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u/Whit76 Aug 12 '22

My dad too. My mother said he changed so much. My dad would be a really cool teacher of things one minute, then the next minute telling me to go find something to do.

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u/TeoSupreme Aug 13 '22

Same with me but after Chechnya war

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u/SilverVixen1928 Aug 12 '22

I am sorry about your dad. That's rough.

My father went in on D-Day in WWII, and got shot all to hell. He was a Disabled Veteran all the rest of his life. Mum spoke to me once about his nightmares. I saw a lot of war movies with Dad, but somehow I knew enough not to ask about his experiences.

With his kids, I have three brothers who went through a Vietnam draft lottery. Luckily, all three got high numbers and didn't get drafted. Mum told me one brother was set to move to Canada if his number was bad enough. He was set to become a draft dodger, with the blessings of both my parents. With the blessings of a Disabled Veteran from WWII. Thing about that for a moment.

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u/kingkenny82 Aug 12 '22

Your father being a war veteran giving blessing to your brother to dodge a military draft tells you all you need to know about the horrors of war. Very poignant. So saddening to see young men still being sent to places like that to fight in pointless wars all over the world.

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u/SilverVixen1928 Aug 13 '22

A couple of years after Dad died, Mum told me he didn't want a free military grave marker. I was kind of stunned, but eventually asked why. She basically said that he didn't want it and she left it at that.

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u/Ex-zaviera Aug 12 '22

And unlike other war veterans, Vietnam soldiers received no warm welcome when they returned. Insult to injury.

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u/samtbkrhtx Aug 12 '22 Wholesome Seal of Approval

No. Nobody called my dad a "hero" or offered to help him with a damn thing. Medical bills, the PTSD...nothing. The Marines put him through the ringer then said "see you around, hope you make it"

The VA Hospital? What a joke. Crowded and did not offer much help, either.

The returning Iraq vets really had it made, compared to the Vietnam soldiers.

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u/CaptainCaveSam Aug 12 '22

The propaganda had improved a lot by the time the Iraq massacre happened.

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u/_Foy Aug 12 '22 edited Aug 12 '22

Honestly it boggles my mind that changed and now soliders are called heroes... because, spoiler alert, U.S. forgein policy hasn't changed.

What do you think happened in Iraq? Afghanistan? There was no "liberation", there was only US-inspired terror, rampant war crimes, and the longer they stayed the more "insurgents" there were. Hell, the U.S. practically created the Taliban in the first place becuase they were conveniently anti-Soviet at first.

EDIT: For example: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageImperialism/comments/wmk5rd/henry_kissinger_on_why_he_supported_the_iraq_war/

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u/Sirboomsalot_Y-Wing Aug 12 '22

I think what changed it was 9/11. In the case of Vietnam, the Vietnamese had never affected the lives the average American. 9/11 made it personal. Of course, these days I am starting to see people lose respect for the troops, especially my generation which didn’t see 9/11

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u/Gekokapowco Aug 12 '22

Yeah after 9/11 it was like hero's going off to fight a dragon or crusaders going off to fight a holy war

The Troops keep good people safe against evil men, a whole country (then 2) that wanted to kill every man, woman, and child in America. Nobody understood any political implications because there weren't any in the general public's eye. Islamic Jihadists independent of any nation or country wanted to attack us and that was it.

Then the war turned difficult as our enemy cowardly hid in the mountains, and behind civilians (their families and communities). Then it was all-out war as those families and communities joined the fight as insurgents because we were literally a foreign western power invading and occupying their towns.

Then it got even more difficult as reports of US warcrimes started pouring in as the war dragged on, civilians brutalized and killed, schools bombed, and important leaders assassinated leading to further destabilization.

After about a decade, hardly anyone could remember why we went to war in the first place, and it became known that the entire country of Iraq was basically collateral in this war against an enemy we barely understood anymore. But the war had massive financial benefit so it was basically self-sustaining due to a bunch of republican warhawks in congress.

Saddam Heussein died and Binladen died and two decades later we finally got the good sense to slow down the amount of suffering we were causing for no reason.

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u/Totallynotshaft Aug 12 '22

You shouldn't sum up geopolitics. They are very complex matters.

But for the sake of reddit....

Bush Jr hated Saddam for trying to assassinate bush Sr.

Repubs were trying to trump up support for the idea of nationalism at the time . Bush and many other politicians formed a political bloc for this purpose.

The military industrial complex was getting a stronger hold on the gov and I'm lobbying played a part.

As for the arabic side of things:

Saddam broke every rule of the peace treaty signed after Kuwait .

He believed he could take on the US and wanted a rematch.

While the US covered up his Kurds massacre, he doubled down on things and eventually degraded the support if his benefactor (the french)

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u/_Foy Aug 12 '22

Everything you said basically reinforces my overarching point... My summary is completely consistent with what you typed out... No noble casus belli, just petty geopoliticking that resulted in millions of dead civilians.

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u/Lanchettes Aug 12 '22

They also de facto created ISIS (so called Islamic state) by removing Saddam Hussain (murderous dictator) In Iraq and his Sunni Muslim dominated infrastructure, then disarmed them and then did , er nothing. Q ISIS, blood thirsty, Shia muslim religious fascists. Good job George W.

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u/Omegador Aug 12 '22

ISIS isn't Shia, it's Sunni. Hezbollah which is sponsored by Iran is Shia.

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u/Outside_Classroom_38 Aug 12 '22

This my experience as well. My dad had to take a break during certain scenes in the movie forest gump . When Saving private Ryan came out I was going on about what a great movie it was, he asked me if I thought it would be ok for him to watch. He was, as you describe, not a person who could talk about difficult things. Not an emotional man, unless it was anger. I was probably 17 years old when Saving private Ryan came out, but I became an adult in that moment because the look in his eyes was a combination of hope and terror. I just felt such compassion for him, I gently but firmly told him no. I told him that certain scenes would be too much. He looked down with such sadness and just nodded. Broke my heart

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u/PizDoff Aug 12 '22

What a hell. Sorry he and they all went through that.

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u/samtbkrhtx Aug 12 '22

Yeah, it made growing up with him hard. My uncle was in a different unit an suffered from Agent Orange exposure and passed maybe 10 years ago. He certainly had it worse and saw worse combat than my dad.

This is why I am a huge opponent of these nation-building projects like Iraq or even Ukraine. We need to stop this garbage, because it ruins or kills so many good people and disrupts entire families. Including the ones that did not engage in the combat.

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u/igneousink Aug 12 '22

my husband's father was "a tunnel rat" due to his diminutive size and he became a great santini during the formative years of my partner's development

there's this great book i read "a slow walk in a sad rain" that encapsulates this whole era and war really well. it's like catch-22'ish but a little bit more straightforward in style.

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u/CaptainCaveSam Aug 12 '22

Time and time again the people suffer so that the corporations can profit.

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u/TheSt4tely Aug 12 '22 Wholesome Seal of Approval

This guy reminds me a lot of my dad. They could have been born the same year.

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u/Maya-Inca-Boy Aug 12 '22 edited Aug 12 '22

Crazy that propaganda made these guys think they were some great liberators before they arrived but it turned out to be the exact opposite.

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u/Apprehensive_Bad1500 Aug 12 '22

Putin style.

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u/Anafiboyoh Aug 12 '22

"putin style" this is literally the USA's calling card

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u/nashedPotato4 Aug 12 '22

Orwell called it in 1984, three "empires" rotating against one another. Not a ton of difference to be had.

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u/tidalpoppinandlockin Aug 12 '22

Three? I know you're not calling Russia an empire? It's more like soviet states standing on each other's shoulders wearing a large trench coat while putting works the arms like a puppeteer

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u/WoogiemanSam Aug 12 '22 edited Aug 13 '22

His name is Bill Ehrhart. Check out this whole documentary, it’s filled with a lot of interesting interviews like this. The Vietnam War on Netflix. It cuts through a lot of the “we were protecting democracy” bull crap, as you can tell from what Bill has to say.

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u/Zeef1979 Aug 12 '22

I thought i'd seen this guy before. And that was it probably.

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u/_We_Are_DooMeD Aug 12 '22 edited Aug 12 '22

Oh nice. Will check that out. You seen the 10 part Vietnam documentary? I think it was a joint production BBC/PBS. S'very good.

S'called Vietnam..

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u/Scratchin-Mercenary Aug 12 '22

Bill Ehrhart

thanks such a great interview

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u/dillrepair Aug 12 '22 edited Aug 12 '22

“The dean of Vietnam war poetry” he’s called. Here’s one:

Beautiful Wreckage By W.D. Ehrhart

What if I didn’t shoot the old lady running away from our patrol, or the old man in the back of the head, or the boy in the marketplace?

Or what if the boy—but he didn’t have a grenade, and the woman in Hue didn’t lie in the rain in a mortar pit with seven Marines just for food,

Gaffney didn’t get hit in the knee, Ames didn’t die in the river, Ski didn’t die in a medevac chopper between Con Thien and Da Nang.

In Vietnamese, Con Thien means place of angels. What if it really was instead of the place of rotting sandbags, incoming heavy artillery, rats and mud.

What if the angels were Ames and Ski, or the lady, the man, and the boy, and they lifted Gaffney out of the mud and healed his shattered knee?

What if none of it happened the way I said? Would it all be a lie? Would the wreckage be suddenly beautiful? Would the dead rise up and walk?

Here’s mine to add: A haiku I wrote after learning an the reality of Vietnam years ago.

I would like to die.

Deep in the dark wet jungle.

Rotting foul decay.

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u/sparkykingheat Aug 13 '22

Who is also a great poet. Recommend everyone check out his work.

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u/IdiotObsessed Aug 12 '22

I was married to a great guy who was a Marine in Vietnam. He came home in 1973, we married 1975. This is the first time I have ever heard an account SO similar to his experience. I was mesmerized by this video! I hope his later years treated him kind. In my case, that great guy learned he could block it out with alcohol and marijuana. His sleeping was restless and vocal. He became distrusting of everyone, holidays ruined by picking fights with certain volatile opinionated family members. After this man’s only son was 2 years old,I realized our son deserved more and needed more and so did I. When our son was 7, he participated in the wedding of his mom and stepdad. Vietnam Dad knew and realized this man and mom could provide a healthier environment for his son to grow up in. So there we sat in bleachers, mom in middle of Dad & Stepdad. We remained in each other’s lives until he passed at 64 of bone cancer. Underneath the tortured soul was always that great guy. Experiencing Vietnam changed him and changed his future life, whatever it could have been. This is a true story and I bet it’s a familiar one for women who were married to Vietnam veterans.

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u/ColtChevy Aug 12 '22

As a man I would hope like hell I’d have the same strength to set aside any pride and let my family have a life they deserved. Such a selfless action he sounded like he was great man despite it all.

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u/IdiotObsessed Aug 12 '22

Vietnam dad wanted a stable life and home for his son to grow up in. Vietnam dad was always invited and included in everything we did as a family. We all got along. The son is 44 years old now,happily married with two adorable little girls of his own who share their Vietnam vet’s grandfathers eyes. The love carries on but he did not deserve to have his life ruined by the horror that was Vietnam.

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u/Hopeful-Talk-1556 Aug 12 '22

It's very important for men who serve that when they come back, they consider giving up their family and isolating themselves from society in order to not interfere with people's happiness.

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u/ColtChevy Aug 12 '22

If they do not seek proper treatment then, yea I think you are right.

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u/juicadone Aug 12 '22

Wow thx for sharing!

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u/beranmuden Aug 12 '22

Wow, thanks for sharing and sorry for all the grief that must have happened.

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u/DirtyPartyMan Aug 12 '22

Afghanistan/Iraq

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u/toast_is_square Aug 12 '22

Yes. US is still doing this shit. We can’t let it happen again 😔

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u/WickedLizzard22 Aug 12 '22

my grandfather served in Iraq and I will never forget what he told me. “ do not join the army. The only reason they give you metals is so you can feel good about killing people.”

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u/Skrungus69 Aug 12 '22

Another good one is hugh thomson jr

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u/Graysie-Redux Aug 12 '22

I'll check that out. Thank you.

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u/Dranovon Aug 12 '22

Lies in the past. Lies in the future, until today no government said the truth about any war we had and will have.

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u/ButterscotchWrong411 Aug 12 '22

And history repeated itself

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u/itsdankreddit Aug 12 '22

Reminds me of the, are we the baddies? Skit.

No one army in history would look at themselves and say that they are the bad guys.

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u/DK2037 Aug 12 '22

I've had that exact thought, serving in Afghanistan in 2009-2012. We were in their country, and no US servicemember that was there, truly wanted to be there. We went because we were ordered, that's it. The patriotic emotions of 9/11 had long worn off.

The "war" was over, only persisting because Obama insisted on us being there. We were not actually accomplishing anything, only them dying and us dying. All of the ground that was fought for, and lives lost to take that ground, was eventually conceded in the name of "drawing down".

There was no purpose, no mission, no objective that was clear to me, other than rich politicians fulfilling their personal goals.

The Netflix movie "War Machine" is spot on. In some cases, we are the bad guys.

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u/pm_me_kitten_mittens Aug 12 '22 edited Aug 12 '22

That’s how I feel about my time in Iraq, I was wounded on my 3rd tour and medically retired. What the fuck was this for, nothing, my friends died for nothing, my body is fucked up FOR NOTHING.

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u/horny_T_Girl Aug 12 '22

In some cases, we are the bad guys.

Hate to break it to you America has been the bad guys since the end of world War 2 and especially in regards to Afghanistan..

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u/DK2037 Aug 12 '22

In many cases we are not. We do conduct numerous peacekeeping and relief missions around the world every year. Those types of missions are definitely an exception to this. But yes, as an armed and occupying force, we are generally bad over the last 60 years or so.

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u/DK2037 Aug 12 '22

There were weapons of mass destruction in Afghanistan? Hmm that’s news to me!

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u/DK2037 Aug 13 '22

So, who said there were WMD in Afghanistan, ever? Please, I'd like to know the source for this. Since I spent several years of my life in that shithole country and this is the first time I'm hearing of it, from a genius redditor.

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u/Scared-Ingenuity9082 Aug 12 '22

You guys were there so that the oil companies could plunder the resources and the mineral in the mining companies can plunder the resources so that they could turn around and charge us even more make no mistake the people at the top are hitting win win win win win win win while we're hitting lose lose lose and it's going to continue because there's no f****** real solution to our monetary crisis

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u/Almightythrowaway69 Aug 12 '22

As a marine vet. This story pisses me off so much no words can describe. Too many Americans died for no reason at all. Too many Vietnamese died for no reason. The entire war is almost as bad a stain as having slavery in this country.

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u/dmccrostie Aug 12 '22

Semper Fi and Amen.

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u/Tomace83 Aug 12 '22

Sounds like what some Russian soldiers thought would happen in Ukraine.

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u/generallyihavenoidea Aug 13 '22

Like what the US thought would happen in Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria etc

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u/GadreelsSword Aug 12 '22

Anyone have a link to the original?

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u/bitpushr Aug 12 '22

He is also interviewed several times in Ken Burns' The Vietnam War

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u/14GMV Aug 12 '22

If you go to the New York State Military Museum’s YouTube page they have many really good interviews with Vietnam vets.

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u/Ok_Leader1383 Aug 12 '22

It's such a shame what we did to a country, these men and then the effects to their children. I feel Ike we learned nothing from it.

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u/Delicious-Ad2547 Aug 12 '22

Thanks for sharing

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u/endtimegrime Aug 12 '22

War fucks you up, for life. One of my favorite co-workers is originally from Iran. We work shifts, also nights. He told me he hates the night shift; having trouble sleeping. I asked him jokingly "how come?" Then he started telling me he was in the army; during the Iran-Iraq war. They gave him and his mates in his platoon pills to stay awake for days. I wanted to know more, but I saw my further questioning made him feel very uncomfortable.

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u/dillrepair Aug 12 '22

Never Ever Forget… THIS. What he says here is they key to understanding the Vietnam war and every single conflict we’ve been in since. This is one of the most important videos I’ve ever seen and EVERYONE needs to see it… twice… three times… as many times as it takes to understand what he is saying. Freedom is impossible when all we do is create more conflict and hate. When we make (create) enemies… we can never be free.

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u/Hikityup Aug 12 '22

That was fascinating. Curious if he enlisted or was drafted. There was a difference.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

In the late 70s early 80s I worked for a guy who did two tours with the Marines. The shit he told me was so disheartening it was almost unbelievable.

He was really gun-ho on the first tour, second tour he was sickened by the command structure, he couldn't wait to get out. He flew with the Marines and the cool thing was he had a really good 35mm camera, photos were amazing.

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u/PaulW707 Aug 12 '22

These types of interviews and documentaries are very important historically. I'm so glad that this and others are available. We need to hear the stories of people who were THERE in some of these important events in our world. These need to be preserved forever!

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u/Lemilli000000n Aug 12 '22

This is how some young Russians will speak of Ukraine in a decade or two (I hope)

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u/HoagiesDad Aug 12 '22

This is the reason I don’t believe anything I read most of the time. I don’t believe anything about China, Taiwan, Russia, Ukraine etc….. I know there is some truth in it all but there is more propaganda than anything. I was in Air Force intelligence during the Cold War and you start to see patterns in the classified message you get daily. It’s designed to make you hate the enemy. A similar thing that everyone who recalls the Bush Administration can remember is the lead up to the war with Iraq. We were constantly told that Iraq was responsible for 9-11 and they had Weapons of Mass Destruction. This resulted in the majority of the American people supporting the war, even though our Allies, except for Britain, were saying no. Turns out it was propaganda.

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u/Chemical-Counter-454 Aug 12 '22

GREAT EPISODE. watched the whole thing months ago. Insane what this country has done to its own people. You'd think they'd give a fuck.

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u/clarst16 Aug 12 '22

Easily one of the best first hand interviews I have seen from a returning soldier. Intelligent, articulate and rawly honest. Gives a great impression of the reality of the situation as opposed to the propagandist reverse we are frequently feed.

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u/guitarmusic113 Aug 13 '22

I’ve heard this before about the Vietnam war. The gorilla warfare, the not knowing who or where the enemy is. But this brings it home in a deep and authentic way. It was actually much worse than what I’ve heard before.

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u/RhysThornbery Aug 13 '22

I admit I feel bad for…well everybody involved in that mess really. But whenever I see interviews like this I feel sorry for the soldiers who went in thinking they’d be heroes “just like their dads in France”, only to be met with a nightmare scenario which turned some of them into monsters of a sort, whether they wanted that or not. Then they finally when they mercifully get to return home it’s not to celebration and accolades it’s to protests and insults from people who probably would never have to go through such a test of character and would never know what it was like. War is awful, seldom do any benefit save for the wealthy and powerful. And I am just left thinking ‘God help us all’ because we certainly can’t seem to escape the cycles of violence by our selves.

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u/madman434 Aug 12 '22

I fucking hate how we don’t see important things like this on TV and Kim Kardashian is all over the fucking place.

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u/Hikityup Aug 12 '22

There is no 'we' dude. There's you. YOU have access to most anything you want to watch.

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u/DiManes Aug 12 '22

Time to stop watching the Kardashians madman434! /j

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u/horny_T_Girl Aug 12 '22

Bruh what? Most people don't even watch TV anymore and this was on Netflix and watched by millions. This take just reminds me of "phone bad" comic boomers make lol

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u/flowinimmo Aug 12 '22

the first minutes just sound what i got from ukraine last 5 month

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u/Rollerclone Aug 12 '22

I would not have the guts to go to war, especially not Vietnam. Hats off to him

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u/Hikityup Aug 12 '22

Don't forget that a whole lot of men didn't have a choice.

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u/Betorcamp Aug 12 '22

Sam Rockwell vibes

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u/ResponsibilityFew472 Aug 12 '22

I am a literary translator. I happened to translate ]e a 990 pages abbot the WWII, please, women and men of the world, russian and ukrainan run run away with whatever mean you can, let the psycho go to war with nobody and no experience it’s not us.

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u/4D-KetaminElf Aug 12 '22

What a well spoken man

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u/Ok_Strike_354 Aug 12 '22

"I'm wasting your film"

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u/Odd_Night6488 Aug 12 '22

Only the dead have seen the end of war.

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u/LegalEye1 Aug 12 '22

One can get a hint of why so many combat vets have PTSD (regardless of which war we've been in since Vietnam).

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u/Working-Factor-7745 Aug 13 '22

Exactly like Iraq Exactly like Afghanistan and Exactly what yhe Russians are getting in Ukraine.

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u/taebek1 Aug 13 '22

Thank you for sharing this. My Dad is a Vietnam Vet (Army Infantry) and this helps me to understand a little better what he went through.

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u/Bitter-Raisin Aug 13 '22

Usa and their wars its a bunch of bullshit.cancer of the world

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u/Prize-Telephone7218 Aug 13 '22

The only thing I don’t understand is why every time the us goes to war we rarely ever accomplish our goal but instead leaving behind a massive blood trail basically traumatizing every citizen in that country

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u/NotAHamsterAtAll Aug 12 '22

If the Americans had entered with McDonalds, cars and bought stuff from the Vietnamese. They would have won the people over in no time.

Its very hard to win the hearts and minds of people while killing them. People on the other hand do like to have improved living conditions, so friendly trading and spending time with the locals would be much more effective.

Of course, that doesn't help sell weapons and ammo, so I guess its a no-go.

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u/Errohneos Aug 12 '22

US was a vital part of the war effort in WWII. Perhaps not in bodies to throw into the grinder in Europe, but most certainly in manufacturing and supplies. Lend-lease program was bae.

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u/Straight_Ocelot_7848 Aug 12 '22

Reminds me of a certain “special operation”

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u/Emmerson_Brando Aug 12 '22

He says they created Vietcong because of the things they were doing; killing civilians, destroying their villages.

Since this still happens today with drone strikes, governments either want to perpetuate creating enemies out of third world countries, or they haven’t learned anything from past mistakes.

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u/MrThr0waway666 Aug 12 '22

My dad was one of the few canadians that volunteered for the war. He rarely talks about it but when he and men like the guy in the video talk about it, I can't help but feel the utmost respect and sadness for what they went through and the horror they witnessed. It something my imagination cant even truly envision. It fucks people up and in the end it was for nothing. He had a friend who was a front line marine who ended up shooting himself in the head in the early 2000s. Rip Alex.

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u/Herbs3 Aug 12 '22

What a fascinating and engaging guy

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u/Erectus_Enormous Aug 12 '22

Sounds a bit like how the Russian soldiers thought it would be in Ukraine.

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u/QuickSqueeze Aug 12 '22

Sounds a lot like what Russians thought going to Ukraine would be.

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u/thebobbyloops Aug 12 '22

Wait a minute. He looks exactly like Larry David when he was hiding from the Ayatollah

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u/LuckyToBeT Aug 12 '22

This question is only tangentially related, so thank you for indulging me - my stepdad, a Vietnam vet, died two weeks ago. I've requested his service records from NARA but they are very specific about who those records can be released to (spouse or next of kin). The thing is, he and my mom weren't married (they lived together for 30 years, but their state doesn't recognize common-law marriage). There is no other family. He did not have a will. He had appointed my mom as his medical power of attorney, but that terminates at death. NARA site says the request is being processed, but if it is denied, do we have any other options to obtain his service records?

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u/Holiday_Platypus_598 Aug 12 '22

Where can I get the full video interview?

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u/Rentakill213 Aug 12 '22

A shame people are still sent to war for a countries prophit. Nobody benefits, people die. Nobody wins.

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u/sbenzanzenwan Aug 13 '22

The Vietnam War was a massive atrocity of unspeakable misery waged by the people of the United States on the people of Vietnam. The correct take on it as an American is deep shame and vowing to ensure it never happens again.

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u/elvis-brown Aug 15 '22

It is 1919. The world's most feared imperial military leaves Afghanistan in a disgrace that heralds its coming irrelevance.

It is 1989. The world's most feared imperial military leaves Afghanistan in a disgrace that heralds its coming irrelevance.

It is 2021. The world's most feared imperial military leaves Afghanistan in a disgrace that heralds its coming irrelevance.

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u/allChickensFearRice Aug 12 '22

Dude looks like he's in the Witness Protection Program.

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u/vezUA-GZ Aug 12 '22

I hope russian will say something like this how they welcome in Ukraine...

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u/roy-dam-mercer Aug 12 '22

I have seen at least one interview with a captured Russian soldier who thought he would be welcomed to Ukraine by locals as a liberator. He soon realized, as Mr. Ehrhart above, that he had been lied to.

If Governments were completely honest about wars they would never net a sufficient number of volunteer combatants.

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u/juicadone Aug 12 '22

Wow so many Absolute parallels with this, and putin's "3-day" invasion to "liberate" Ukraine from nazis...

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u/VenomistGaming Aug 12 '22

Was thinking the same thing.

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u/Brycenicholls1 Aug 12 '22

Why are these types of documentaries not on tv?We see the Kardashian's,Ellen degeneres show etc being renewed season after season for unknown reasons. At the same time we dont get interesting documentaries that actually will improve our knowledge of history like Timeless who was based on real events and saving the past or even hunting hitler

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u/ClassicSnow73 Aug 12 '22

What TV? No one watches cable. This docu is on Netflix and millions of people watched it

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u/Youarewierd23 Aug 12 '22

Wars aren’t what they tell us they about???

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u/slightlyused Aug 12 '22

My father was amongst the early folks to go to Vietnam, 1965. He was sent in winter gear for Europe in the 2/7, 1st Cav.

He was WIA on his 20th birthday Jan 1, 1966 in the battle of the Ia Drang Valley. He carried two wounded fellow soldiers back to a Huey and incurred 3 AK-47 shells in his body. I have one of them in a vial.

Much like today, we treat veterans like shit, and predictably, he took his own life in 1985.

Please, if you do anything for anyone, help a family with a disabled veteran. The pain is passed on generations.

Cheers and glad if you served you are home and reading this.

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u/Smogerel Aug 12 '22

"I destroyed their houses, I destroyed their crops, I destroyed their families". Such destruction :-(

Doesn't this just mean they all committed war crimes?

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u/Tendas Aug 12 '22

He’s saying that they would do patrols through villages, get fired upon by enemy snipers from those villages, and the troops would consequently called in air strikes on those villages. He’s using the “I” poetically and is speaking about the US Army generally.

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u/Smogerel Aug 12 '22

What does he mean by "processing"?

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u/SequoiaSaguaro Aug 12 '22

War is hell. I appreciate this man being so candid and reflective. I’m sure he is haunted by painful memories. His description makes Americans’ presence there sound like a violent invasion. His point about marine patrols helping the enemy recruit citizens is important and relevant to the War on Terror. It all makes me glad the USA hasn’t sent soldiers to Ukraine (yet…). It’s like, we want to be helpful and lend a hand, but getting deeply involved in domestic disputes has huge risks and repercussions. It’s hard to balance “defending liberty and human rights” with the realistic logistics of military operations and local governance.

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u/Barry_Minge Aug 12 '22

His description makes it sound like a violent invasion because that’s exactly what it was. The Vietnam war had fuck all to do with ‘defending liberty and human rights’.

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u/Cookiebutterisbetter Aug 12 '22

Why would anyone give a warm welcome to some other country's military invading their land? Make it make sense. They know they weren't going to Vietnam just to hold hands and give hugs to Vietnam's government or people.

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u/Gorash Aug 13 '22

He thought he was going to another country to liberate them from invaders. He thought the north-vietnamese was oppressing the south and that he was sent to help them.

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u/SnooShortcuts5771 Aug 12 '22

Howard has always sworn he was in Nam.. this is the proof.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

What Vietnam veterans never talk about is all the children they left behind and all the women they raped.

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u/wokeaf2558 Aug 12 '22 edited Aug 13 '22

Propaganda at its best Let me clarify I the propaganda I'm talking about is by the American media and government when he realizes what he has been told is a lie

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u/SICHKLA Aug 12 '22

What propaganda he is literally saying the war didn't make any sense to him? You didn't even watch the video, did you?

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u/wokeaf2558 Aug 12 '22

When he shows up over seas and realizes what he's been told while at home was a lie. Watch the video again

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u/SICHKLA Aug 12 '22

That makes sense as that really is propaganda, but you made it sound like he is the one spreading propaganda. Next time specify what you're talking about to avoid the negative feedback.

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u/wokeaf2558 Aug 13 '22

I fucked your mother

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u/Smush_a_Bush Aug 12 '22

It blows my mind to think that a person would join a WAR (emphasis on killing people) and think they are entitled a warm welcome. I'm an American, and today a lot of people I see join the military still think this way. No one has invaded us, so no, I don't owe you anything, but our collective taxes sure do make you owe us.

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u/Head_Zombie214796 Aug 12 '22

thanks for sharing this

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u/StianAmg Aug 12 '22

Love this guy, he’s such a character. Story telling is an art

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u/smurtzenheimer Aug 12 '22

Thank you so much for sharing this, these stories are really important and unfortunately always relevant. I wish this had been required viewing when I was in high school during the earlier stages of the Iraq war.

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u/Iancreed Aug 12 '22

I’ve seen this on youtube. Very informative and detailed.

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u/werschless Aug 12 '22

No more war

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u/ExtremeLurkerFr Aug 12 '22

Anyone notice the title of this YT video was changed for some reason?