r/clevercomebacks Dec 04 '22 Silver 1

Still Chasing That Dollar

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u/VadPuma Dec 04 '22

He lost his case.

In the original complaint, filed August 24, 2021, Elden’s attorneys said the image was pornographic and that he has suffered “lifelong damages” as a result of his involvement.

After the complaint was dismissed, a second amended complaint sought damages for what Elden called “lifelong loss of income earning capacity, loss of past and future wages, past and future expenses for medical and psychological treatment, loss of enjoyment of life, and other losses to be described and proven at the trial of this matter.”

The lawsuit alleged that Elden was sexualized because the image of the naked baby grabbing at the dollar bill made the baby resemble “a sex worker.”

In 2007, he told the UK’s Sunday Times that he found it “kind of creepy that many people have seen me naked … I feel like the world’s biggest porn star.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/05/entertainment/spencer-elden-nirvana-ruling-scli-intl/index.html

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u/Sproose_Moose Dec 04 '22

If he never told anyone he was that baby, not one person would know

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u/putin_putin_putin Dec 04 '22

He probably spent his whole life basing his whole identity on that one photo (celeb of some sorts as a kid) and realized he can't milk it anymore now that he is 30.

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u/Potatonized Dec 04 '22

Can you imagine a guy walked up to you and his pick up line was "yeah so, i am that naked nirvana baby"

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u/pullingsneakies Dec 04 '22

"you've seen me naked, so maybe I should see you naked?"

Just to be told "shut up, baby dick".

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u/ItalianGuy_235 Dec 04 '22

This jacket is tight as dick skin!

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u/SadamHuMUFFIN Dec 04 '22

Username checks out?

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u/savageotter Dec 04 '22

Its still a great ice breaker no matter your age. Although I would assume anyone that told me that is lying.

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u/StepOnMeMiss Dec 04 '22

supposedly he has used that and it's been successful

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u/Yeshua-Christ Dec 04 '22

sounds like one of those "no I'm not a virgin I've fucked hundreds of girls'

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u/Sometimesnotfunny Dec 04 '22

Well, you can't try it on girls who never heard of Nirvana, know your demo people.

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u/Same-Entertainer8038 Dec 04 '22

He’s literally got a never mind tattoo

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u/Nomad_Cosmonaut Dec 04 '22

Right! Like, he looks so upset about the whole 'ordeal' he recreates as an adult??? Lol https://www.google.com/search?q=Spencer+elden&oq=Spencer+elden&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.4318j0j7&client=ms-android-tmus-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=u8B2pebdzp3kJM

And why is he trying to look like Cobain!?

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u/Muppetude Dec 04 '22

And not like a subtle one on his ankle or upper arm. But rather in giant letters across the front of his whole chest.

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u/smbdysm1 Dec 04 '22

He did. He even recreated the cover numerous times over the last 20 years.

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u/DogmanDOTjpg Dec 04 '22

It's crazy that you put probably cause this is 100% the case he has been on American idol and shit and that was his entire shtick

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u/MichelleMyBelle43 Dec 06 '22

The huge Nevermind tattoo on his chest makes me think that’s is correct, however I’m in agreement there should never have been a baby penis on anything public

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u/UnRealmCorp Dec 04 '22

He had a short with the album cover on it with an arrow point to his weenis with the writing "Look at my penis" and an arrow pointing to it. With a siren hat so people knew it was him

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u/aceshighsays Dec 04 '22

if no one knows, then he would no longer be special.

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u/my_username_mistaken Dec 04 '22

If I remember, he's even recreated this as an adult

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u/Amazing_Insurance950 Dec 04 '22

There is the subject himself. If a crime is committed and no one witnesses it, is it not a crime?

If a crime is committed in front of everyone, and society just doesn’t give a shit, does that reflect poorly on the victim?

And further, many people involved in the process of making the cover would know who the kid was, they just don’t give a shit.

It’s a clear crime.

This guy is being told every single day that nobody gives a shit about him now, and never has ever.

The shitty part is that Kurt probably ok’d the image, and of course has no way to do anything about it.

People keep saying “he just wants money.” Ok. There’s a lot of it that Nirvanas music collected into somebody’s pocket. Give this dude some. His body contributed and still contributes to the impact that Nirvana has made- it’s ok to pay him some money and say thanks.

That’s what really fucking sucks here, that no one gives a shit at all what Kurt’s desires in the matter may be. He made his views on sexual injustice pretty fucking clear, and I think it’s a huge disservice to the guy and the band to categorically deny the possibility that Kurt might have handled the situation in a way that would put this kid into a more positive position in his life.

Everybody that touches Nirvana money is a fucking ghoul. (Except krist, Dave and his daughter)

So boo. Boo to ragging on this kid.

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u/amytyl Dec 04 '22

It's not a crime, his parents agreed to it, he willingly rode the fame until it evaporated and now it's out of his hands. I have a copy of this album, reading anything sexual into the image says more about the viewer than the material. That guy is well deserving of the mockery he gets for his pathetic attention grabs, and you're voting to enable him.

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u/Sproose_Moose Dec 04 '22

You nailed it, if you look at the image as sexual you're sick.

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u/rufusdawesghost Dec 04 '22

Not only that but if I remember correctly he was all about being the “Nirvana baby” until he had some art exhibit and got pissy because he invited Dave and Krist to support him and neither one showed up. Kid needs to find a different way to make a living.

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u/Heavy_Signature_5619 Dec 04 '22

Except that Kurt milked this when he was an adult. Not one person on Earth would know he was the baby until he opened his big mouth (not to mention, he literally recreated the shoot as an adult and used it fir clout) Dude is clearly getting greedy here and you’re acting like a oh, so proud White Knight defending this non-victim.

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u/MadHatter69 Dec 04 '22

loss of enjoyment of life

Shit, I didn't know we could sue for that, we gon' get rich boiiis

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u/SemperScrotus Dec 04 '22

Bruh the entire Marine Corps gonna sue tf out of itself

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u/Forest-Ferda-Trees Dec 04 '22

Sure, but you know they're just going to settle out of court for a few 64 packs of Crayola

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u/Ok-Scarcity-3902 Dec 04 '22

Sure, but you know they're just going to settle out of court for a few 64 packs of Crayola

How many packs, though? Asking... for a friend.

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u/Beginning_Clue_7835 Dec 04 '22

As high as you can count to. So far the highest payout has been 4

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u/Ok-Scarcity-3902 Dec 04 '22

I know what comes after 4!

It's 1 - 2 - 3 - 4, United States Marine Corps!

I'm My friend is gonna be rich!

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u/Beginning_Clue_7835 Dec 04 '22

That was my answer too

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u/FredrichCedric Dec 04 '22

Yeah he didn’t have that attitude when he boasted about it. This case just feels like it’s been made in such bad faith

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u/naveedkoval Dec 04 '22

It’s kinda creepy that you would see this and think of sex work, Elden

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u/Roland_the_Damned Dec 04 '22

What about how many times he recreated the picture lol

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22

But this knowledge wouldn't farm karma.

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u/Any-Fan-2973 Dec 04 '22

By the way, he had a tatoo of the album cover, allegedly used it as a pickup line, and pretty much pumped the image for his own gain.

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u/Yelperty64 Dec 04 '22

The lawsuit alleged that Elden was sexualized because the image of the naked baby grabbing at the dollar bill made the baby resemble “a sex worker.”

In 2007, he told the UK’s Sunday Times that he found it “kind of creepy that many people have seen me naked … I feel like the world’s biggest porn star.”

Oh, that's why? I thought it was because you can see his wiwi in the background, that's incredibly stupid

Nobody would have known he was the baby if he just didn't say anyway, like 🤷‍♂️

Child pornography... 🤦‍♂️ some people think they can sue for anything

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u/GoArmyNG Dec 04 '22

Not only all of this, but didn't he recreate this photo within the last couple years and even requested to do it naked again but was refused by whoever organized the shoot.

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u/parkerm1408 Dec 04 '22

I'm just curious here. I assume nirvana got the parents permission prior to using the photo, right? If that's the case, wouldn't his parents, being the legal guardians, be the ones to sue? Like of you were gonna sue I feel like it makes more sense to sue them. Ridiculous either way but damn.

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u/TheGlumSinger Dec 04 '22

If I remember correctly the dude spent his whole life celebrating the fact he was the baby on the Nirvana cover..

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u/parkerm1408 Dec 04 '22

That makes it even funnier but I bet it was a mild to moderate pain in the ass for the band.

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u/Extreme_Fig_7023 Dec 04 '22

The return will also be clever if it contains no typos

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u/5yn3rgy Dec 04 '22

He wound up recreating the original photo four more times.

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u/StillPracticingLife Dec 04 '22

He seems to have fucked it up four times...

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u/KarpEZ Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22

He's ashamed that his penis never green grew any larger.

Edit: I'm stoopid

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u/JPhrog Dec 04 '22

I'd be more concerned about a green penis unless you have a green jello fetish then Nevermind

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u/GunnerGurl Dec 04 '22

And I forget just why I taste Oh yeah, I guess it makes me smile I found it hard, it was hard to find Oh well, whatever, nevermind

This but with green jello

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u/SuchSalad4 Dec 04 '22

He kind of gave up on the dollar on the string.

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u/Yeshua-Christ Dec 04 '22

I never thought I'd see a person who peaked very very early in life

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u/JeannotVD Dec 04 '22

He fucked himself up with all those tattoos lol

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u/BW4D Trusted Bot Hunter Dec 04 '22

lol why?

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u/PapaSnow Dec 04 '22

Four more times… damn

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u/IGaMine Dec 04 '22

Notice how in all of them he's directly looking at the camera, while the original was looking at the dollar bill. Idk, it feels like a "look, this is me" moment for him lol

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u/dandanthetaximan Dec 04 '22

Weird Al did it better for the cover of Smells Like Nirvana

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u/arrownyc Dec 04 '22

I understand why its easy to write this off in your mind as a cash grab, but its actually very common for victims of childhood exploitation to not comprehend the gravity of the situation until much later in life.

While he may have celebrated this part of his identity at times throughout his lifetime, its completely understandable to me that at some point he could have had an epiphany and recognized his own exploitation in a photoshoot he didn't consent to, which ended up shaping his entire life experience.

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u/K1FF3N Dec 04 '22

It didn’t shape his entire experience, he did. There wasn’t a sign over his head telling everyone he was that child, he told everyone. His Guardians actions did not, throughout his life, tell everyone he was the baby. He did that. He told everyone he was the baby and now he is acting like one. He was not exploited by anyone. He is a charlatan.

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u/CrackBingeIdea Dec 04 '22

That’s very charitable of you but this is in fact a weak cash grab.

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u/Daan776 Dec 04 '22

Its always good to doubt though.

I can’t be the only one who got tricked by the “woman sues for hot coffee” headline. And thats a mistake I intend to not repeat.

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u/CrackBingeIdea Dec 04 '22

Yup, I agree. That story is horrifying and we were all sold a lie

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u/ClearingFlags Dec 04 '22

Ehhhh I dunno about all that.

If he had been a recognized child star that got exploited, sure. But he was a baby, not a Mickey Mousketeer or whatever with a singing career and parents who jacked all his money and ruined his life. Literally nobody is going to know that was him unless he tells them, and a lot will be like "Who?" even if he does.

I highly doubt that had any real negative effect on his life.

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u/glentylee Dec 04 '22

Even if he did tell people, like 99% of would people wouldnt believe him. Anyone could say that they were the baby lol.

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u/itsme_toddkraines Dec 04 '22

**half the population could say they were that baby lol

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u/j_la Dec 04 '22

Half the white population could say they were that baby

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u/itsme_toddkraines Dec 04 '22

Yes! True, I'm dumb and didn't think of that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22

No white america is literally the entire world, didn't you know?

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u/Beginning_Clue_7835 Dec 04 '22

Half the white population that is of the appropriate age could say they were that baby.

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u/Not_a_real_ghost Dec 04 '22

If he decided that he needed to recreate that iconic photo four times just so he can get new attention and possibly money says a lot.

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u/infected_scab Dec 04 '22

This was true for many of Michael Jackson's victims.

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u/Jack_Sipper Dec 04 '22

Youre going to pull something stretching like that.

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u/unpaidloanvictim Dec 04 '22

He even has a NEVERMIND chest tattoo

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u/qualitylamps Dec 04 '22

… just stop telling people? I highly doubt anyone is walking up to a 30 year old man going “hey aren’t you the baby on the cover of that nirvana album?”

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u/CalRaleighsBigDumper Dec 04 '22

I had a friend in high school who used to brag that he lost his virginity at age 12 with his older brothers girlfriend.

It took him until his mid-20s to come to terms with the fact that he wasn't a player, he got molested.

sounds like a similar situation.

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u/thelastgozarian Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22

Yeah, this guy does sound like a bit of a tool but seriously I don't understand the logic here. He thought it was cool for a while then got older and went, wait a fucking minute...

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u/longknives Dec 04 '22

Similar how? The suit alleges that the band has been profiting off of child pornography of him, but the image is clearly not child porn. It’s not sexualized nor intended for people to get off to. And no sex was involved, nor was he molested in any way.

He might be coming to a point in his life where he no longer likes the fact that he’s in the photo, which is unfortunate for him, but that doesn’t retroactively make it child porn or exploitation.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22

Well according to all the big brains on here, you're not allowed to ever change your mind about something, especially if it's a slow realization that you're actually worse off because of it.

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u/BeerNcheesePlz Dec 04 '22

Yeah, I saw an interview with him and he was laughing about it.

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u/ACuddlyVizzerdrix Dec 04 '22

He even got a tattoo of it

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u/Ipad_is_for_fapping Dec 04 '22

A real fucking loser he turned out to be

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u/fish312 Dec 04 '22

Imagine peaking at 2 years old.

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u/Feeling_Cold_1925 Dec 04 '22

Lol this should be the top comment

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u/JB-from-ATL Dec 04 '22

For what it's worth people are allowed to change their minds. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be in the right or whatever but his past behavior here is not necessarily indicative of his current beliefs.

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u/chaseButtons Dec 04 '22

He had ample time to figure out his stance. Pics linked above, he took 4 more pics in tribute of that cover. I don’t think that qualifies as a sincere change of mind.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22

Seems more like a way to cash grab. He can change his mind all he wants, but if he was celebrating it not even that long ago, it won’t add up in court

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u/ImpressiveEffort9449 Dec 04 '22

You don't get to be okay and celebrate something for 20 somethin years and then be like "actually id like financial compensation"

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u/Plati23 Dec 04 '22

He even recreated the shot as an adult. Twice.

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u/scottishdrunkard Dec 04 '22

Which is why it likely got thrown out of court, I think.

Pretty hard to sue against the thing you made your whole personality around. Including getting it tattooed.

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u/arrownyc Dec 04 '22

I understand why its easy to simplify the situation in your mind as a cash grab, but its actually very common for a victim of childhood trauma or exploitation to not realize until much later in life. It sounds like he celebrated it because he grew up with people around him celebrating it, and it took until he was a fully-fledged adult to comprehend the gravity of having the entire world know you as "baby dick" and that you weren't a consenting participant in that photoshoot. I do agree its more the parents fault and production company, but unfortunately in our country you gotta sue where the money is in order to get any type of justice.

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u/Stupid_Idiot413 Dec 04 '22

Nobody had to know him as baby dick. He decided to recreate the photos, have it as his handle on social media and even tattoo the name of the album.

It could have been a minor detail about him, some anecdote he only told once in a while, but he made it a bigger deal.

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u/AmazingPreference955 Dec 04 '22

Also, it sends a message to the industry that they should think twice before exploiting minors.

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u/GlyphCreep Dec 04 '22

This is my memory of the guy. I think I read an article praising him and interviewing him 10 years ago. If this is true I really hope its not a money grab, thats kinda depressing. Then again the baby is chasing a dollar on the cover

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u/arctic-apis Dec 04 '22

If I remember correctly he didn’t win any money or the case wasn’t heard and he has publicly made a big deal about how he’s the Nevermind baby. The lawsuit was filed for like a publicity thing or something goofy. I didn’t look any of my claims up I just remember hearing about it back when it happened. He has recreated the picture before. Again I could be just fully making all of this up

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u/parkerm1408 Dec 04 '22

Yeah that all sounds right, what an idiot.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22

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u/BloodprinceOZ Dec 04 '22

yes, he's been milking the fact he's the baby for years, even got a tattoo IIRC, he only decided to sue them about it now because the band wouldn't help promote an art exhibit of his or something along those lines.

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u/SilentRidge Dec 04 '22

His parents would have signed a contract with the photographer to use him as a model. Then the photographer would have sold the rights to use the image to Nirvana, or more likely their record label. Or maybe it was all arranged by the label and they used an in house photographer.

But either way if he wants to blame or sue anyone it should be his parents. They got paid back when the photo was taken. He isn't owed anything.

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u/Spicy_Sugary Dec 04 '22

His parents didn't have the money Nirvana had.

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u/parkerm1408 Dec 04 '22

No I mean I get his reasoning, just on balance the entire thing was stupid from the go.

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u/Spicy_Sugary Dec 04 '22 Helpful

He was a grifter. He tried to capitalise off the fame for years (even got a Nevermind tatt and recreated photo as an adult) but it didn't pay enough.

An interview with him before he decided he was exploited gives some idea of his reasoning: "Everyone involved in the album has tons and tons of money. I feel like I’m the last little bit of grunge rock. I’m living in my mom’s house and driving a Honda Civic.”

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u/CrackBingeIdea Dec 04 '22

Fucking clown, oh aye you and Kurt Cobain contributed an equal amount to that album. What a loser.

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u/k-uke Dec 04 '22

Fucking chancer

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u/dslyecix Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22

Lmao imagine your crowning achievement being getting photographed nude when you were 3 months old. That's gotta sting. Of course he feels he has to chase this high.

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u/Steve83725 Dec 04 '22

Thats not how the legal system works. You can only sue those that have money regardless of the level of blame. If a poor guy destroys all your valuables in your house, you don’t sue the guy you sue the maker of the hammer he used. America!!!

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u/Tom22174 Dec 04 '22

His parents aren't the ones with shit loads of money tho

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u/Jasbradbur Dec 04 '22

He's lost so many times

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u/PathinG Dec 04 '22

nudity =/= porn

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u/Zmajcek22 Dec 04 '22

More people need to hear this. Especially Americans. They make babies wear two piece swimsuits on the beach ffs

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u/SkinnyObelix Dec 04 '22

I recently was watching Superman, and when he lands on earth as a little boy he's standing buck naked in the crater for quite a while. Longer than what is acceptable these days and so I looked at how it is being streamed and yes the entire scene is cut out.

I absolutely hate how we're butchering culture and society based on the worst humanity has produced.

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u/ravenfrost333 Dec 04 '22

I mean... some people still jack off to it so he's kinda got a point

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u/EffectiveDependent76 Dec 04 '22

Well, rule 34 is a thing so I'm convinced there is someone that will jack off to literally anything.

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u/Midnightkata Dec 04 '22

I'm jacking off to your comment right now.

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u/ConceptMajestic9156 Dec 04 '22

My girlfriend's father called me a pedophile just because she's 22 and I'm 36.

Completely ruined our 10-year anniversary.

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u/thegreatbrah Dec 04 '22

One of the greatest/worst scenes in cinema history is in the abcs of death. Basically proves this point. I think it was m is for masturbation.

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u/avwitcher Dec 04 '22

Some people jack off to pictures of asteroids, that doesn't make it pornography

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u/SouthOcean1011 Dec 04 '22

By that logic, every single photos and videos ever taken of any children will be considered as such. Since creep and pedos could be jacking off to any of them, nudity or not.

Guys jacking off to their crush's Instagram feed all the time. So I wouldn't be surprised if pedos are jacking off to a breakfast cereal commercial, if that's what you meant.

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u/Domena100 Dec 04 '22

To prove your point, I shall jack off to your comment.

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u/FiggleDee Dec 04 '22

sure, but intent is part of the definition of pornography for exactly this reason. there is no intent in this photo or any other random naked baby photo, even if some people did jerk off to it anyway.

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u/GODDESS_OF_CRINGE__ Dec 04 '22

How can you sue Nirvana? They're not even around anymore.

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u/VadPuma Dec 04 '22

Elden, now 30, has listed the surviving band members, the executors of lead singer Kurt Cobain’s estate, and various record labels as defendants. He is seeking $150,000 in damages from each of the defendants, plus legal costs, and alleges the defendants “knowingly produced, possessed, and advertised commercial child pornography.”

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u/GrymReepar Dec 04 '22

Ohh, ok I get it now. He’s retarded.

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u/nsfwmodeme Dec 04 '22

He’s retarded.

And now he'll sue you!

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u/BlargHonkBlargHonkBl Dec 04 '22

Jokes on him much like your typical Russian I have no money, only potato!

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u/Asian-boi-2006 Dec 04 '22

i think you just sue the 2 remaining members grohl and noveselic

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u/Imaginary-Location-8 Dec 04 '22

He ended up suing the mgrs and execs, not the band

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u/cj2211 Dec 04 '22

Here's suing the idea of Nirvana

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u/nsfwmodeme Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22

He will now sue Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism.

Edit: sue, not sure!

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u/PancakeGD Dec 04 '22

This is a repost bot.

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u/waster1993 Dec 04 '22

Yet they conveniently crop out the dong

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u/Stella_Machina Dec 04 '22

Kinda shows he has a point. It is a bit like an ambulance chaser. They are doing it for the money and not for justice, but often the cases they take have someone causing significant harm by doing something stupid and the victim deserves compensation.

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u/thegreatbrah Dec 04 '22

Showing a baby penis on an article about somebody being sued for child porn would be a pretty bad decision. Tasteful art or not. That would just be such a bad move.

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u/VegemiteAnalLube Dec 04 '22

Despite all his rage he is still just a rat in a cage

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u/Billybluejeans Dec 04 '22

That was the smashing pumpkins.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22

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u/Slim_Margins1999 Dec 04 '22

Korn.

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u/Buggaton Dec 04 '22

There must be some kinda way outta here

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u/DummykiddoMan Dec 04 '22

there would be, but something's in the way

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u/VegemiteAnalLube Dec 04 '22

Spaceboy, don't kill me...

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u/psychoprompt Dec 04 '22

When you get knocked down, do you get up again

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u/VoodooDoII Dec 04 '22

Tis a good song

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u/JayseHayz Dec 04 '22

Didn't he fairly recently talk about how he doesn't have a baby penis anymore? Dude is obsessed with something literally no one else cares about.

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u/EarthenEyes Dec 04 '22

Posted in August 2021, someone commented 14 hours prior, and then OP reposted today. It's old news man. Comeback would have also been clever if it didn't have gucking typos too

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u/BW4D Trusted Bot Hunter Dec 04 '22

OP is a bot.

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u/ro-key Dec 04 '22

Counterpoint: If he hadn't sued, literally nobody would have known that was him

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u/CumBurritoFromSpain Dec 04 '22

They would of, considering he did make a big deal about it AND also recreated the photos a couple times

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u/ro-key Dec 04 '22

Oh wow - ew - I didn't know he recreated the photo.

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u/TryOwn231 Dec 04 '22

He should take it up with his parents, it’s their fault for not negotiating a deal where he gets a small piece of royalties. I think they agreed to do it for like a couple hundred bucks max

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u/Centralredditfan Dec 04 '22

So the dude has money problems again?

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22

How's this a clever comeback?

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u/kamineckais Dec 04 '22

In reality the guy hates being on the cover so much he has a Nevermind tattoo, iirc stated that he felt like a member of the band and just wanted royalties out of this.

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u/PlayerTwo85 Dec 04 '22

He also voluntarily reenacted the shoot several times over the years.

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u/Talikrs Dec 04 '22

Jesus christ if this happened to me and my band I'd want to just blow my brains out.

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u/FloorJunkie757 Dec 04 '22

This case was dismissed awhile ago

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u/xadonn Dec 04 '22

Nudity is not inherently sexual. Also feels more like a commentary on the fact that we practically have to be chasing a dollar since birth just to survive. I say this from an artistic perspective, I have a BA in Art, so I have studied pictures, paintings and statues like this in great detail in my studies. The assumption of sexuality stems from beliefs/religions that often force or include doctrines of "modesty" around clothing. You could also say that it comes from a huge underlining r*pe culture in most of the world.

This photo has no sexual nature to it at all and to see otherwise makes you the weirdo.

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u/Stella_Machina Dec 04 '22

Naked photos of children aren't banned because most people see them as sexual. They are banned because the relatively few pedophiles do. Even when it comes to actual child porn, most people wouldn't see anything sexual. Their reaction would be immediate disgust and horror, perhaps enough to cause a mental breakdown or puking.

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u/Geordie_Atom Dec 04 '22

He definitely sued just for a money grab like 👍 his reasons are stupid no wonder he lost.

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u/tOmErHaWk420 Dec 04 '22

Shouldn't he be suing his parents?

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u/morf11r Dec 04 '22

why are they showing a cropped version of the picture?

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u/seasonalblah Dec 04 '22

Wait until people hear about the Virgin Killer album cover...

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u/Amazing_Insurance950 Dec 04 '22

Kurt’s dead. Give this dude some money.

I love Nirvana, I have since the 90s. It’s all a shitty story, and the take away is that the music made somebody more money than god. Kurt wasn’t a dick. That’s kind of a thing. If this kid just asked him, chances are Kurt would have worked something out.

But no. Some corporate fucker doesn’t want to give up any money to anybody for any reason.

Fuck that. The picture itself was a statement, and the statement was NOT “look at this stupid baby! What a stupid, stupid baby!”

Would Kurt be happy with the idea that this kid was used for his baby dick and then cast aside and mocked?

I just have a hard time believing that.

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u/Atomstanley Dec 04 '22

Shouldn’t he sue whomever his guardians were?

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u/youreimaginingthings Dec 04 '22

Idc. Im not offended by that album cover. I would just REALLY, REALLY prefer to never know it existed

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u/PF4LFE Dec 04 '22

‘Murica

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u/forced_metaphor Dec 04 '22

Pornography. Unbelievable. People are such prudes that nudity is automatically sexual to them. Because everyone knows this picture is all about how hot and bothered a naked baby makes them.

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u/yujabes Dec 04 '22

Well, arent you a bundle of joy...

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u/jakmassaker Dec 04 '22

How is it not considered to be childporn though? They distributed a picture of a naked baby. Even if the purpose isn't to sexualize it, people can still do that. How is it ok to distribute pictures like this even with the parents consent and "good" intentions? It's asanine that it's ok to distribute pictures like this, for profit, but only if the person is young enough, or old enough.

I'm of the opinion that you shouldnt be able to do things like this without the person's consent. If someone can't consent, you can't do it.

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u/sholoim Dec 04 '22

people can sexualize anything so that can't be any kind of litmus test.

millions of books have been printed with photos of children in them, some of them with exposed genitals.

parents are the guardian of their children and therefore can provide consent. no harm was ever inducted on the child to allow for the consent and now as an adult the child wants additional money because the photo became famous.

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u/jakmassaker Dec 04 '22

So where do we draw the line then? My parents could have distributed naked pictures of me for money? That's fucked. At what age does it become illegal again?

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u/walfle Dec 04 '22

I think context is really the key here. A naked baby in a bathtub playing with a rubber duck is fine. A baby spread eagle with a photo angle focused on its parts is fucking gross.

Kinda like the gray line between a fashion model and a pornstar. A model might wear very revealing clothing, but it's usually bout the clothes at the end of the day. A pornstar is showing off their body, specifically, because that's their product/service.

So in the end, I'm pretty sure buddy is in a losing case. He (or his parents) probably did get compensated however many years ago, and although he's nude, he's not overtly sexualized here. It's just a naked baby in a pool, which is pretty normal in places like the UK

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u/Odys Dec 04 '22

I grew up in a world where pictures of naked babies were completely normal and only perverts thought something of it.

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u/ControllablePsi Dec 04 '22

Did you grow up in a world where it was normal to use pictures of naked babies as artwork?

I can completely understand why the child in the picture might not give consent, now they are a fully grown adult.

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u/Odys Dec 04 '22

Did you grow up in a world where it was normal to use pictures of naked babies as artwork?

Small example

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u/ControllablePsi Dec 04 '22

This doesn't aid either point? You may as well have just shown me the cover of nevermind.

We live in an age of consent.

If the child who is now an adult, doesn't consent to his naked pictures being used as artwork then that is something that should be addressed.

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u/Odys Dec 04 '22

If the child who is now an adult, doesn't consent to his naked pictures being used as artwork then that is something that should be addressed.

In that case you can never ever take a picture of any child in any circumstance? Naked or not? We live in a very stifled society now. We create problems and issues where there are none. This "naked baby" grew up and nobody would ever have recognized him if he didn't want money. This is just about money, nothing else.

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u/ControllablePsi Dec 04 '22

Yeah, naked pictures of children can be taken and kept amongst family, but they shouldn't be used as artwork and distributed to millions.

That's not fair on that person who is unable to consent.

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u/Odys Dec 04 '22

I don't see the problem.

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u/jakmassaker Dec 04 '22

Being upset about being in someone's picture, and being completely naked in someone's picture are entirely different things.

What if you and I were in the same friend group and we were at a party. You get drunk and pass out and someone strips you naked, and I post a picture of myself which happens to have you naked in the background. Surely you'd want to be able to have that taken down right? Being drunk and passed out you couldn't have consented to that, and even if I didn't post your name you'd do more than just hope that no one recognizes you. If people did I'm sure you'd want some kind of compensation. Especially if I made millions of dollars off of that picture.

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u/ragingbologna Dec 04 '22

You’re reeeeeally stretching with this one. In fact the parallel you tried to draw is actually a cross.

Being violated while passed out drunk won’t ever be construed as “done for artistic purposes” like this photograph.

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u/mrknife1209 Dec 04 '22

Even if the purpose isn't to sexualize it, people can still do that.

Yeah, so thats on the people who sexualize it. If your argument is: "it could be used to sexualize", is a very bad president to set.

That would make most parents who have pictures of their own children (including my own parents) owners of CP.

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u/jakmassaker Dec 04 '22

Having a picture of your own child, and distributing a picture of a child to millions of people for money are completely different things.

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u/mrknife1209 Dec 04 '22

Yes the distribution or intentions of these images are different. That doesn't make either of them CP.

Again the content of the images is the same....

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u/jakmassaker Dec 04 '22

But having good intentions can't be good enough of a reason for it to be completely ok to distribute things like that.

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u/ControllablePsi Dec 04 '22

This is a strange take.

One situation is the parents having pictures of their own children in the nude.

The other situation is distributing this picture of your child in the nude to millions world wide.

Neither is child pornography, but you can understand why the child on the picture might not consent to this, now he's an adult.

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u/Thunderstarer Dec 04 '22

Yeah, I agree, even though it seems to be the unpopular opinion in this thread.

I mean, what if Nirvana had done the same thing to someone over the age of consent, but explicitly unconsenting to the interaction? What if‐‐for example--they'd installed secret cameras in a pool and photographed a guy skinny-dipping? Would it be alright for them to use that photo, so long as their use of it was "nonsexual"?

I would argue no--Nirvana should require explicit consent from the person photographed to distribute pictures of their naked body, regardless of the artistic context of the distribution. It's about the right to your body, and not just its sexual potential.

Furthermore, I would maintain that any minor should be considered unable to consent to a photograph like that, in the same way that they are considered unable to enter binding legal agreements, regardless of the photograph's intent.

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u/CutAlone3678 Dec 04 '22

The core of the problem is if you label a simple picture of a naked baby CP, then almost every parent would be a criminal.

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u/Thunderstarer Dec 04 '22

Perhaps.

I still think that's a poor argument against disallowing established corporate entities from using those pictures in their marketing and products.

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