r/clevercomebacks Nov 29 '22 Silver 1

Elon probably pictures himself as some sort of deity at this point

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u/SchwiftedMetal Nov 29 '22

Does Elon think the rest of the internet is dead or something? Even an old fashioned soapbox would still preserve freedom of speech.

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u/GreatBowlforPasta Nov 29 '22

Twitter became the only thing on the internet when musk bought it. We're actually on Twitter right now. He made it so much better that even when you talk in person, you're using Twitter.

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u/More_Cowbell8 Nov 29 '22

Came to say, haha! Musk is in a Twitter bubble, it's all that exists in his world. I moved my Twitter app back 5 screens off of my phones homepage & when I pop in, I can only stand it for 5 minutes. Qanon & MAGA going off on leftists sterilizing 7 yr olds, lefts sounding like a bunch of 14 yr olds whose parents are taking away their controller or some shit, "can you believe the audacity!" at every bitch move by the Right-wing. It's politics, sports or who gets to fuck Pete Davidson this month.Twitter is pointless now, Musk turned it into 4chan with Nazis running wild. I'm a nobody but my opinion is it can't be pulled out of this dive to the bottom without heroic measures now.

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u/WartimeDad Nov 29 '22

Thinking? Also Twitter.

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u/nxqv Nov 29 '22

Pooping? Twitter. Every shit you take is now a shitpost.

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u/The-Apprentice-Autho Nov 29 '22

I’m shitposting rn 😟

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u/linderlouwho Nov 29 '22

You should always shit-talk people you want to do business with- it makes them come running!

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u/GreatBowlforPasta Nov 29 '22

It's business 101.

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u/linderlouwho Nov 29 '22

"He's so tough-talking and manly!"

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u/GreatBowlforPasta Nov 29 '22

Sploosh

-Advertisers

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u/CileTheSane Nov 29 '22

Well if he's so concerned about freedom of speech:
1) He can continue to fund Twitter himself if all the advertisers leave.
2) He could stop banning everyone who makes fun of him

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u/awesomefutureperfect Nov 29 '22

No, you see... You have to do what he wants because free speech. That's the definition of free speech: agreeing with what he says and not disagreeing, pushing back, or mocking. That's tyranny. Platforming and boosting the signal of pro-tyranny personalities is how you fight tyranny.

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u/Remote-Pain Nov 29 '22

and make sure you call everyone that doesn't agree with you a communist

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u/ambulating_meatbag Nov 29 '22

He thinks free speech and hate speech are the same

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u/CileTheSane Nov 29 '22

Unless he's the target

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u/Enginerdad Nov 29 '22

This is exactly the same as when he tweeted that he had been up all night trying to figure out a solution to the invasion of Ukraine. He genuinely believes that every issue is his to solve because (clearly) he's humanity's best hope. He thinks that everybody else is just waiting for him to set things right for us.

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u/Traiklin Nov 29 '22

He's using the Trump GOP talking points, which is basically believing your supporters are dumb as rocks and think this is something that is life and death.

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u/JuniorSeniorTrainee Nov 29 '22

believing realizing your supporters are dumb as rocks and repeating whatever incantation gets them riled up.

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u/RegressToTheMean Nov 29 '22

That's exactly it. Musk posted some serious right wing virtue signaling. It was a picture of his nightstand (allegedly) with two handguns and a picture of Washington crossing the Delaware

It was pure cringe

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u/Youvebeeneloned Nov 29 '22

FAKE Handguns... they were literally a cosplay piece and a toy flintlock like you used to be able to buy at Pirates of the Caribbean back in the 80's...

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u/FullMetalCOS Nov 29 '22

Even more ironically it was a piece from Deus Ex Machina which if you are aware of the story is pretty much as opposed to who he is as you can get.

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u/Tenkobar Nov 29 '22

He has a meltdown because he loses so much money with Twitter and can't stop to fuck things further up . He plays the"free speech" card because that's the biggest crowd that still likes him (or pretends to like him now suddenly). He's a narcissist like Trump and needs constant validation. And since he lost most of the fans from the past through his dipshit behavior, he now seeks validation from the right wing conspiracy crowd.

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u/JuniorSeniorTrainee Nov 29 '22

He doesn't care at all about freedom of speech. He just knows it's a trigger phrase for the lead eating base he's speaking to.

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u/asharwood Nov 29 '22

No he’s confused. Like most rich people, he doesn’t understand what responsibility and consequences mean. For the rich, you are not punished for doing illegal things. You just have to pay to do illegal things. So there’s no risk just a fee. Now that he has purchased twitter, he is finding out that sometimes money can’t buy you everything.

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u/MusksMuskyBallsack Nov 29 '22

It's funny to think he's selling it as free speech vs tyranny.

But what it really is, is him paying his fucking taxes (tyranny, I tell you!) and shutting the fuck up about it (they are trying to cancel me!). It's the same with all of these clowns.

We ask them to contribute to the society that made them rich and help create a sustainable civilization but the best they can do is crash the world because they can't imagine losing a fraction of the immense wealth they could never even hope to spend in their lifetime...

Well, I guess if you are lighting $44B on fire on the regular, you could go through all that money... maybe he has a point /s

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u/Mr_Golf_Club Nov 29 '22

It’s amazing how far down this mentality goes of “not contributing back to the society that enabled their riches”. There are totally mediocre people making $100-300k sitting here saying that “I’m so rich, I shouldn’t have to pay taxes!” Like holy hell how do you have such an awful ego? (source, my boomer father who complains about the taxes on his $125,000 bonus instead of being excited about said bonus)

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u/Distinct-Bad-9991 Nov 29 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Power and money corrupt all but the most empathetic. Empathetic people seldom amass any kind of material wealth.

Unless we regulate the distribution of currency tightly greed will always destroy what is meant to be community value.

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u/Lizardd Nov 29 '22

Karl Marx over here

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u/evenstar40 Nov 29 '22

I mean he's not wrong.

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u/Lizardd Nov 29 '22

I know, he’s just over here.

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u/YouAreProbablyANazi Nov 29 '22

Yeah, it’s the right impulse, it’s just that historically the people responsible for doing the distributing always end up seizing all the power and wealth for themselves and their cronies. Because humans are shitty greedy monkeys and it’s just what we do.

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u/Distinct-Bad-9991 Nov 29 '22

From each according to their Chadary, to each according to their virginity.

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u/Indercarnive Nov 29 '22

Power and money corrupt all but the most empathetic

Nah, Power and money doesn't corrupt, it just reveals who the person was all along. A ton of people are shitty but hide it because they lack the resources to get away with acting shitty.

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u/Distinct-Bad-9991 Nov 29 '22

Nobody is lacking a single thing in order to be an honest person free of prejudice. It is the avarice for “value” that keeps a person from discovering their own.

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u/SoIJustBuyANewOne Nov 29 '22

I make 250k and wouldn't mind paying more taxes if necessary. I think we can raise them on the very top first and spend our current taxes more wisely, but if even after that it isn't enough to guarantee college to everyone, healthcare (including mental, dental, and eye) to everyone, early childhood education and care to everyone, trade school to everyone, and ending homelessness, then I'll happily sign up to pay more. Sure I missed a few things in there. Whatever Denmark has basically

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u/Jandklo Nov 29 '22

username checks out haha sorry had to

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u/ThirdEyeEmporium Nov 29 '22

My therapist tells me it’s a natural human emotion that they feel this way because even if all taxes were equal it feels worse to lose $10k on $100k vs $10 on $100. Doesn’t mean that it isn’t a flawed mindset rather that is explainable they feel this way.

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u/__red__5 Nov 29 '22

Billionaire realty versus everyday person reality. And while I have almost no spare money each month I don't have homeless reality or warzone reality. These billionaires need to contribute more as they have zero idea how good they actually have it.

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u/TomThanosBrady Nov 29 '22

So why censor anyone who makes fun of you?

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u/rugbyj Nov 29 '22

Because he's lying to get the side that supports him riled up to provide some sort of hypeshield against the critics pointing out that he bought a boat and fired a shotgun through the bottom on his first voyage.

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u/-Ok-Perception- Nov 29 '22

Newsflash Elon, poor people have been putting up with tyranny of the oligarchs for at least 2 decades.

It doesn't exactly hurt my feelings that Elon lost a few million by doing business like a blithering idiot.

Elon just thinks it's hideously unfair he has consequences for once.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

billion

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u/ahundreddots Nov 29 '22

poor people have been putting up with tyranny of the oligarchs for at least 2 billion decades

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u/Formal-Secret-294 Nov 29 '22

It's literally the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it?

So far his track record on Twitter has shown him act exactly like the tyrant that doesn't allow criticism, that he purports to be fighting against.

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u/XanderTheMander Nov 29 '22

He wants his factory workers in China living in the office and working until 3am. He would do this in America if we didn't have laws against it. He would enslave every Musk fan if he could and these people sit here and defend him.

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u/CultofFelix Nov 29 '22

If he would only enslave his own fans I wouldn't mind. There are enough of his fans out there and if they want to they should go ahead. It's good Leopards ate my face material though.

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u/Khristophorous Nov 29 '22

He already has but they worship him because they are fools

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u/nononoh8 Nov 29 '22

Most of the villains of history thought they were the good guys.

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u/1MillionMonkeys Nov 29 '22

2 decades? More like 3 centuries.

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u/ReplyingToFuckwits Nov 29 '22

I'm aware this is armchair psychology but I think he's being melodramatic to protect his ego.

It's not going terribly because he's a self-absorbed, far-right asshole instead of a mega-genius who deserves every cent of his net worth.

No, its going terribly because the challenge he is facing is so monumental. He's trying to save the entire world from the horror of going a single day without hearing a neo-nazis opinion.

Ultimately though, who cares? He's a twat and twitter is dead.

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u/-Ok-Perception- Nov 29 '22

There comes a point in a wealthy man's life, where they completely lose all ability for introspection.

They can never internalize the blame for any poor decision, it's always someone else's fault.

Elon and Trump are the two greatest examples of this to ever live on the planet earth.

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u/reddeath82 Nov 29 '22

2 decades? Try since the beginning of human civilization.

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u/OneLostOstrich Nov 29 '22

It's a damn marketing message. It's all made up fluff meant to look Twitter look good.

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u/Fig1024 Nov 29 '22

I would have believed Elon Musk is not lying about free speech if he didn't brag about firing employees for correcting him or speaking out of turn.

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u/DuncansIdaho Nov 29 '22

He's forever an outsider. He reminds me of Jared Kushner crowdsourcing COVID plans to facebook. Dude has no idea.

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u/ShivasRightFoot Nov 29 '22

The Orwell quote is actually criticizing a Leftist publisher for entertaining the anti-liberal tendencies of Communism for too long. It is basically a criticism of people willing to sacrifice free truth-telling for Leftist political goals.

Orwell was prosecuted by elements of the Soviet secret police while fighting for the Leftist side in the Spanish Civil War. This turned him into a vocal advocate for liberal freedom and an oppenent of both right and left oriented totalitarianism.

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u/DuncansIdaho Nov 29 '22

IIRC, in Shooting an Elephant, Orwell struggled with the cognitive dissonance of enforcing apartheid policy. Musk never put much effort into that work, he just benefitted from apartheid labor. The strong/weak Shiba Inu meme is a nice demonstration. Orwell had the minerals to go fight an elephant. Musk is jerking himself off with his fellow kids bullshit and whining whenever it doesn't go his way. Musk is a spoiled little muggle in the shadow of George Orwell.

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u/ShivasRightFoot Nov 30 '22

His father was elected to the Pretoria City Council as a representative of the anti-apartheid Progressive Party, with his children sharing their father's dislike of apartheid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

There are also many reports that Musk moved to Canada to avoid serving in the aparteid government's military, although I can't find a precise authoritative source. In any case, he did successfully avoid directly enforcing aparteid policy as part of mandatory military service for all White South African males during aparteid.

So I guess he had less cognitive dissonance than Orwell perhaps?

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u/DuncansIdaho Nov 30 '22

Hard to match the cognitive dissonance of a veteran, but I withdraw my presumption! My opinion is an iota softer!

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u/PumpkinsDad Nov 29 '22

Jesus Christ, would this fucking blowhard just shut the fuck up? what is with all these narcissists like Musk, Kanye, and orange fuckstick??

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u/YouAreProbablyANazi Nov 29 '22

They crave attention, they don’t care if it’s positive or negative attention, and look at us giving them exactly what they crave every time they act like garbage.

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u/ZephkielAU Nov 29 '22

The crazies are all coming out at once, it's fucking weird

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u/jackfaire Nov 29 '22

Everytime someone like Elon criminally misunderstands Free Speech I picture them asking how we got to tyranny and the rest of us showing how they lead us there.

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u/vendetta2115 Nov 29 '22

Led*

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u/January28thSixers Nov 29 '22

Thanks, their comment was so confusing.

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u/PM_UR_NIPPLE_PICS Nov 29 '22

elon musk understands what free speech actually is, as do all of the other members of the ruling class. They’re smart people with a bankrupt sense of morality and a literally psychopathic drive for self preservation at all costs. they purposely distort the meaning of free speech because it serves their interests. there is a lot of political and economic power in taking a concept that almost everyone agrees is unilaterally good such as free speech and then twisting the meaning to serve their interests. it goes like “free speech is good, everyone agrees on that. i’ll redefine free speech to mean any speech which supports my worldview and benefits me in some way. when someone says or does something otherwise, i’ll say they’re trying to prevent free speech. since we already established that everyone knows free speech is good, people will be inclined to support me.”

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u/PM-Me-Your-TitsPlz Nov 29 '22

The future of civilization? Is the whole internet wired through Twitter or something?

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u/Cryptc_Wasp Nov 29 '22

elon when he realizes civilization will actually keep on going if twitter collapses

https://i.imgur.com/uJyaApD.jpg

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u/ItsDeadmouse Nov 29 '22

Free speech is allowing for speech you dont agree with.

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u/Crafty_Enthusiasm_99 Nov 29 '22

Apple not advertising on Twitter is an expression of free speech

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u/ItsDeadmouse Nov 29 '22

Sure, Apple has every right to do so because people willingly believe what they want to believe in regardless of whether it's true or not.

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u/ealoft Nov 29 '22

It’s crazy how a high functioning paranoid schizophrenic narcissist has all the right tools in their head to do exactly what he is doing without feeling or thought for whom it effects.

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u/SweetPotatoGut Nov 29 '22

Nice use of Orwell.

I’m still not sure whether Elon is ignorant or gullible due to self-interest. In either case, fuck himS

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u/Cryptc_Wasp Nov 29 '22

rare use of a twitter user citing orwell without saying “literally 1984”

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u/SweetPotatoGut Nov 29 '22

Lol punch buggy

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u/JayElZee Nov 29 '22

I just finished going through 1984, and I was continually hitting points in the book of, "Holy fack that is so the whole the Trump thing" and "OMFackingG that is so in line with a guy like Musk".

I think an evening of conversation with Mr. George Orwell would have been pretty enlightening.

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u/SweetPotatoGut Nov 29 '22

Yeah he was great. I want to read Ode to Catalonia and The Road to Wigan Pier.

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u/m0ontii Nov 29 '22

Honestly, I believe that if you truly want to understand 1984 and Orwell's motivation for writing it you need to read Homage to Catalonia. I think you can clearly how his experiences in Spain lead to ideas for 1984.

Also it's a great read generally which I can highly recommend not just if you're interested in the Spanish Revolution. And Road to Wigan Pier is also on my reading list - still need to get around to reading that.

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u/SweetPotatoGut Nov 29 '22

Oops I called it ode to Catalonia. Meant homage. Yes it’s on my short list to read

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u/ShivasRightFoot Nov 29 '22

This quote is from a letter dated April 1, 1940 to Geoffrey Goer in a section lamenting how a prominent Leftist book publisher who was then transitioning to more moderate Liberal policies had been enamored by Communism. Immediately prior to this oft repeated quote Orwell mentions that Gollancz (the Leftist publisher) had fallen out with the Communists over the Soviet invasion of Finland and their "general dishonesty," and that Orwell is shocked Gollancz was ignorant of the activities of the GPU (a predecessor to the KGB and already known as bad-guys) was active in the Spanish Civil War.

Gollancz has grown a beard & fallen out with his Communist pals, partly over Finland etc, partly because of their general dishonesty which he's just become alive to. When I saw him recently, the first time in 3 years, he asked me whether it was really true that the G.P.U. had been active in Spain during the civil war, & told me that when he tied up with the Communists in 1936 he had not known that they had ever had any other policy than the Popular Front one. It's frightful that people who are so ignorant should have so much influence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Gollancz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Political_Directorate

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u/maonohkom001 Nov 29 '22

Pretty sure he’s at least partially aware of how ridiculous and tone deaf he is. Every billionaire knows better, they just choose to say and act otherwise because doing the right thing doesn’t make billions.

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u/SweetPotatoGut Nov 29 '22

Hm I’m not sure for a few reasons. First, Elon claims to have Asperger’s. Second, I can’t think of another billionaire who acts this way. Maybe Kanye? On the contrary, many of them are careful w their brands.

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u/perpetualmotionmachi Nov 29 '22

Kanye ain't a billionaire anymore. His Adidas pushed him over it, but that's gone now

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u/Luckbaldy Nov 29 '22

Not sure why you think every billionaire knows better. A gross lack of self awareness is usually a feature in this lot.

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u/Outrageous-Duck9695 Nov 29 '22

He is on the spectrum.

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u/BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo Nov 29 '22

I know many people on the spectrum and they aren’t douchebags who want to be able to clone themselves just so they can suck their own dick. It’s one thing to misread social cues, it’s another to be Elon

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u/w4lt3r_s0bch4k Nov 29 '22

No statement made on a 3rd-party ad-driven platform is ever "free speech"

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u/Redshoe9 Nov 29 '22

Twitter is basically the user walking through a crowded street having 2 million strangers trauma dump on you as you pass. Nobody needs that mess.

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u/StringFartet Nov 29 '22

As a Twitter observer only, this seems very accurate.

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u/cranbvodka Nov 29 '22

Mother fucker is the tyrranny

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u/Cryptc_Wasp Nov 29 '22

hey now, don’t say that!

tyranny is too generous for twitter, more like elon just being a whiny twitter mod

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u/30yearsahero Nov 29 '22

Abandon Twitter

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u/thedoomcast Nov 29 '22

It’s bizarre that he or anyone thinks one private platform is the arbiter of ‘free speech’ or that ‘free speech’ in which roughly a third of those LOUDLY speaking in bad faith or worst recalcitrant antagonism is actually any good for anyone.

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u/Gurpila9987 Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

He told people to vote for a party whose God figure tried to overturn election results and declared himself the winner against all evidence. Pretty sure Elon is unqualified to talk about avoiding tyranny.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

Lol pigs run a farm

-George Orwell

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u/SirRipOliver Nov 29 '22

Elon: “to fix this we need to let loose the hoards of people having no knowledge or understanding of a certain thing, influence as many people as possible - thereby stopping tyranny!” FTFY

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u/TheResi189 Nov 29 '22

Given twitters user base is only 20.5% of Americans, and even less of the rest of the world. Also that Twitter isn't in the top 10 social media sites when you consider "regular users" as a metric for measurement. And if you believe twitter, 5% percent of accounts may be bots and other estimates put it at between 9% and 15%.

Elon is full of it. This is easily accessible data that can be obtained from basic research. Twitter does play a role in delivering information, but there are several other sites that can fill the role, also others will likely rise to fill the void if Twitter crashes.

TLDR: Twitter is not free speech. Elon=manipulative PoS.

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u/Died-Last-Night Nov 29 '22

I tried to log into twitter so I could get banned for harassing Elon but they wanted my phone number to log into an old ass account. No thanks. Elon isn't getting harassed by me. Damn.

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u/DantheDutchGuy Nov 29 '22

Absolute power absolutely corrupts

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u/Baeloveali Nov 29 '22

Dude it’s not a conspiracy or war. You made a bad business deal and even worse decisions after the deal closed, get over it.

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u/insipidgoose Nov 29 '22

With all the craziness he's spewing lately and all the money he's burning he should be put under conservatorship. They got Britney for less.

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u/eldenringisfun Nov 29 '22

How does Elon not realize that he is the tyranny?

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u/anunfriendlytoaster Nov 29 '22

Isn’t this the same guy who was suspending people who criticized him last week?!

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u/WorldlinessAwkward69 Nov 29 '22

He really hates it when free speech includes labor unions, women not giving him sexual favors, parody of his nuttery, and bad reviews of his products/companies.

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u/purple-lemons Nov 29 '22

Everything has to be the fucking end of the world to right wing reactionaries. Gay marriage? Western civilization will fall! Immigration? The great replacement! Apple not advertising on FUCKING Twitter? A battle for civilization!

Because none of the shit they're fighting against is actually bad, they just don't like it, so fuck it just slap the worst possible effect on it and contrive some tortured explanation for how you're right.

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u/MrQew Nov 29 '22

Elon is like .14 year old who got admin powers without the admin permitting

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u/sugar_addict002 Nov 29 '22

The only "free speech" musk wants is his idea of free speech, which isn't free speech at all. It's promoting fascism.

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u/whosthedoginthisscen Nov 29 '22

Rich white guy raised under apartheid says what?

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u/sabotabo Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

how is quoting george orwell at him a clever comeback? the quote isn't even relevant to anything he said.

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u/thenameofapet Nov 29 '22

Crazy how far I had to scroll for a piece of rational sanity. Regardless of how you feel about Elon, this is not a clever comeback.

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u/DDDlokki Nov 29 '22

I'm honestly sick and tired of seeing this fucking self entitled narcissist mentioned on every other post on the frlntpage

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u/UraniumFeverr Nov 29 '22

Just think, the more you see him in the news, the more everyone else does too. He's not doing well in the court of public opinion and this will hopefully lead to his downfall.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

Tangentially-related question: What the fuck is Elon wearing?

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u/Rupted Nov 29 '22

Why does he care so much?

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u/xJD88x Nov 29 '22

He's not wrong in the second half of his statement. Free speech disappearing would likely lead to a distopian future sooner rather than later.

But coming from him, that's fucking rich. And not in the monetary sense.

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u/YourFriendPutin Nov 29 '22

Ya know free speech doesn’t apply to Twitter my guy

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u/Death_Said_Live Nov 29 '22

OP wrote the response like are we really entertaining any other possibility? This is literally karma farming.

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u/zxcymn Nov 29 '22

LMAO this moron thinks he's in Braveheart or something.

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u/vendetta2115 Nov 29 '22

What’s going on with his profile picture? Is he trying to be Iron Man? What the fuck is he wearing?

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u/RockstarAssassin Nov 29 '22

Is this motherfucker even an American citizen??

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u/gme186 Nov 29 '22

People honestly think elon musk is going to do more censorring, instead of less?

What actions did he take regarding to twitter that made people believe this?

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u/heliophoner Nov 29 '22

Firing an engineer who corrected him?

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u/vhef21 Nov 29 '22

When he was running the boring company and talking spacecraft a year or so ago he had “imperator of Mars” in his Twitter profile too. I mean clearly his sense of self worth is grandiose. If he was poor he’d be homeless with delusions of Grandeur lol.

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u/Snelsel Nov 29 '22

Here we go with ”even in America” as if the US was even competing in democracy.

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u/midnight_rogue Nov 29 '22

I'm so tired of hearing this clown. I have free speech wether or not Twitter exists.

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u/Cybrbeggr2 Nov 29 '22

He’s right, tho

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u/Orange_J0e Nov 29 '22

the fact that this is capitalism's greatest output, the richest person on the planet, is all I need to know about capitalism. I have so little respect for this person and all who worship him.

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u/Beneficial-Space-670 Nov 29 '22

"Free speech" is exactly why his Twitter experiment is failing. People and advertisers have freely chosen to leave the platform. Reap what you sow.

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u/Rais93 Nov 29 '22

I really can't understand, did he bite an electrical cord or what?

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u/CJCKit Nov 29 '22

I feel that was his meaning when he used vox populi, vox dei. Most would link it to democratic rule, or something along those lines. I think Elon thinks he has become God since buying Twitter 😂 🔔 end

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

"Elon Musk should not have access to the internet, for his own good."

-Newton.

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u/BlindSp0t Nov 29 '22

Damn I say that sentence out loud every time I open reddit. I guess Musk is the proto-redditor.

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u/andromedar35847 Nov 29 '22

Does he just want us to ignore the fact that he was banning people left and right for making fun of him? Does free speech only apply when it doesn’t hurt your little feefees?

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u/lhash12345 Nov 29 '22

elon for the past week while his company is failing: "if you dont give me money you hate free speech!!!!! give me money!!!!"

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u/astrangemann Nov 29 '22

My brother in Christ is the very tyranny that lies ahead

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u/Therealcactusmac Nov 29 '22

“I’ve never seen a man try so hard to sound smart and have so little success at it.”

  • me

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u/PoppaSmurf97 Nov 29 '22

Elon Musk is the textbook definition of false consciousness smh

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u/Possibly_Naked_Now Nov 29 '22

The irony is, he's equating "free speech" with advertisers dollars. Free speech means you can say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean people have to like it. He can give whoever he wants a platform. Nobody has to support it.

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u/vhtg Nov 29 '22

Kind of like when Elon stayed up all night trying to figure out how to solve the Russian-Ukranian war. What an Almighty effort!

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u/Highmax1121 Nov 29 '22

the man has no idea what free speech actually is. to him free speech means the ability to say absolutely anything at no consequence. i've no doubt if given the chance he'd say some of the meanest, dirtiest things to anyones face if he knew it would do nothing to him.

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u/AnythingButAHonda Nov 29 '22

It really is concerning how many people associate the freedom of speech provided by the constitution with being able to say whatever the hell you want without consequences on social media.

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u/Old_Fart_1948 Nov 29 '22

Everybody has the freedom to say whatever they want wherever they would like to say it.

But a lot of people don't understand the difference between freedom of speech, and freedom from the consequences of your speech.

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u/concentrate_better19 Nov 29 '22

Holy shit, enough reddit posts about Elon fucking musk. This place is turning into his biggest platform.

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u/scottyTOOmuch Nov 29 '22

Anyone who is against freedom of speech is a threat to not just our republic, but the free world. The ruling elite don’t want you to have free speech to question their motives and when someone like musk speaks up the mainstream media and big tech go into smear mode. Watching all the people that not a few years ago adored musk for all his amazing work are now full on attacking him. It’s crazy not that it’s happening but that you sheep involved in it can’t see it. Seriously wake up.

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u/VerfickteScheise Nov 29 '22

Elon Musk is part of that ruling elite. He is one of the richest persons on earth. Just because he styles himself as somebody who fights for something he calls free speech doesn't mena he is your ally. He gives a shit about you and what you call free speech. See the whole thing as a big marketing campaign to establish twitter as the only place in the internet to speak your mind.

That guy oppresses as much as the next billionaire when it suits him, like when worker try to unionize, when its about cheap or free ressources or criticism of him or his brands. Fuck him.

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u/Ok_Loquat_2692 Nov 29 '22

When did this free speech battle grow to include beaming harmful untruths into every pocket of every human on the planet? (Via unregulated tech systems under the control of 1 ….ONE tech despot). I guess that happened about the same time the 2nd amendment grew to include weapons designed specifically for war. We are a long way from political discourse in the town square! We cannot let Space Karen successfully greenwash his new and powerful manipulation machine as a free speech forum.

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u/FxHVivious Nov 29 '22

There's a legitimate discussion to be had here. Social media has changed the way we communicate and given normal folks an audience never seen before. Are these platforms responsible for what's posted on them? Should freedom of speech concepts as they apply to the government be extended to include social media platforms? Or do these companies retain the right to police their own platforms? How do we balance all this against the dangers of hate speech and the ability for folks to invite violence? Jesus Christ a president of the United States essentially incited a terrorist attack on the US Capitol because his fragile ego couldn't take losing.

All that being said, I don't want Elon fucking Musk leading that discussion.

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u/usernameb- Nov 29 '22

Yes, Twitter is the linchpin of worldwide freedom. 🙄

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u/juicemang762 Nov 29 '22

Americans increasingly viewing free speech with scorn and derision is more concerning than anything Elon is doing.

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u/woahgeez_ Nov 29 '22

Have you been anywhere in your life where hate speech was openly tolerated? How is fact checking anti free speech?

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u/JasonCarnell Nov 29 '22

I have . The ACLU used to defend the rights of Klan members to March, not because they agreed with them, but because the principles of free speech used to mean something, even if you didn’t like the speaker.

And guess what? It worked, the Klan did their little March and they looked like small impotent men who we all made fun of.

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u/juicemang762 Nov 29 '22

Well Twitter was working hand and glove with DHS to "monitor" speech and no one on the censorship bus seemed to care one bit, so how about you drop the bullshit.

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u/death_of_flats Nov 29 '22

A few saw them and thought "Hey, there's others like me". Bit by bit it snowballed.

And now they have control of the Republican Party and the SCOTUS.

What a delightful little experiment.

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u/tw_72 Nov 29 '22

No, Elon, no it's not. Life without you stroking your ego - every freakin' day - on and about Twitter would be heaven.

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u/Powerhouse Nov 29 '22

Ideology of America is scary. Glad everyone had their own team. But free speech will benefit us all

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u/DirtyDutchman21 Nov 29 '22

As if this quote hasn't applied to every influencer and political candidate in the last 20+ years

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u/FondantGetOut Nov 29 '22

No, dipshit, it's the battle for a social media site that will be replaced within a year.

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u/ultimaIV Nov 29 '22

Its not even a clever comeback it's just a quote that doesn't apply to what he said.

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u/jdxcodex Nov 29 '22

FWIW, Elon is basically running the same playbook as Trump.

If there's one thing Trump did really well on is he makes conservatives look really bad. Trump cost conservatives the 2018, 2020, and 2022 elections. They were on the Trump train for those years and they're just starting to abandon him.

Now we've got another loud and narcissistic ego shouting conservative talking points. Like Trump, he will continue to paint conservatives as douche bags. It's quite masterful if you think about it. They convince conservatives to think they're winning while actually destroying whatever reputation conservatives have left. I'm enjoying this train wreck to be honest.

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u/twitch-switch Nov 29 '22

There's clearly a lot of ex-Twitter users here

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u/PrometheusHasFallen Nov 29 '22

Orwell probably would agree with Elon on free speech. This isn't a clever comeback. It simply shows the ignorance of the person who used that Orwell quote out of context... which is ironic.

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u/Graysteve Nov 29 '22

Free speech isn't at risk, and Musk is a firm Capitalist while Orwell was a Socialist.

Twitter is a private company, companies leaving because Twitter allows far-right misinformation to spread now and not wanting to be associated with that isn't condemning free speech, it's free speech itself.

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u/PrometheusHasFallen Nov 29 '22

Free speech isn't at risk

Freedom of speech is always at risk. I can give you countless examples.

Musk is a firm Capitalist while Orwell was a Socialist

Both capitalist and socialist can believe in free speech.

Twitter is a private company, companies leaving because Twitter allows far-right misinformation to spread now and not wanting to be associated with that isn't condemning free speech, it's free speech itself.

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u/Honest-Guy83 Nov 29 '22

What alarms me is so many people upset by a man simply wanting to open Twitter up for free speech. Clearly something wrong in this country. We need to remember where we came from.

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u/Hip2jive Nov 29 '22

If you let every crackhead into your house, don't be surprised when people find somewhere else to hang out. It isn't complicated.

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u/remnantoftheeye Nov 29 '22

What alarms is that you don't seem to understand what free speech means.

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u/AbsolutelyUnlikely Nov 29 '22

I don't even understand the downside here. Either Twitter crashes and burns and becomes a sidelined cesspool like 4chan, or Elon's teams try a bunch of new shit until they luck out and it ends up being better than it was before.

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u/2pacalypso Nov 29 '22

What couldn't you say that you can say now? Say the thing. Say it.

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u/woahgeez_ Nov 29 '22

I'm not sure what you're complaining about. No where on the internet has hate speech ever been tolerated. Fact checking isnt censorship.

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u/Ok_Ticket_6237 Nov 29 '22

100%

It’s bizarre to me that so many redditors actively advocate for less speech on a platform.

Don’t people get upset at mods here often? Why tf are people on Reddit advocating for mods on Twitter?!

Doesn’t make sense to me.

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u/Ok_Ticket_6237 Nov 29 '22

I’ve never used Twitter so you may be right.

But I don’t believe it censors my free speech, as defined by constitutional law. How am I wrong?

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u/lyspilot Nov 29 '22

Look into interactive internet activity.

In short it's bots, advanced bots with the purpose of manufacturing consent and establishing narrative.

Twitter WAS the biggest scene for such activity until Elon enacted stuff to remove such IIA. Reddit is now the largest site where IIA easily runs rampant. I say easily because it exists on Facebook and other real life name social media sites too, but much less than on sites where you just need an email and a random username to sign up.

Don't think of the majority of posts you see on this as made by humans because they aren't. Part of it is ofc, because manufacturing consensus and narratives works, it makes people see consensus and they add on to it, they adopt the arguments they see repeated and repeat them themselves too.

It makes sense when you realize how many BILLIONS of dollars have been invested into IIA the last ten years, yearly. And how many actors there are utilizing this tech, both in and out of governments.

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u/red2678 Nov 29 '22

Elon's absolutly right.

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u/createcrap Nov 29 '22

See the problem with being a Free Speech purist is they sound an awful lot like Nazi Sympathizers. Fuck Elon.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

why are you so obsessed with blue-hair? did sonic the hedgehog hurt you?

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

it's ok, you'll get over that butthurt of your ass getting kicked by sonic the hedgehog

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u/funktownrock Nov 29 '22

Elon is right

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u/radek4pl Nov 29 '22

Illiberals quoting Orwell as they're actively lobbying against free speech and oust anyone who is for it.

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u/ChattyKathysCunt Nov 29 '22

He's trying to convince white supremacists that they are once again victims. Nobody is taking away free speech, they are free to say anything they want, they just want to make it illegal to face societal consequences.

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u/Indigoh Nov 29 '22

You say nazi shit because you have freedom of speech.

So I respond with "go fuck a fire hydrant, nazi." because I have freedom of speech.

And advertisers say "We don't stand for that and won't be associated with Twitter any longer" Because they have freedom of speech.

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u/Altruistic-Ad3704 Nov 29 '22

How can you bitch about tyranny as the richest person on the planet. Delusional manchild

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u/DeweyDungbeetle Nov 29 '22

Nobody hates free speech as self-righteously as fat liberal neckbeard redditors. You people love hating on Elon for allowing conservatives to speak feely on twitter. You guys LOVE censoring any point of view different from your own, but you are somehow unaware that you are authoritarian dipshits. You still think you are the virtuous saviors of society, when in reality you are basically drones for evil corporations/gov’t. Anyway fuck all of you.

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u/Key_Cantaloupe4006 Nov 29 '22

Nobody sees the irony in this? He's unbanning people who were previously silenced for having certain opinions and there's a comparison being drawn between him and the dystopian government in 1984?

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u/Universalis1 Nov 29 '22

Ah yes an arbitrary quote that be applied to anyone with influence totally sticks it to him!! Nor does the "comeback" address the topic at hand. This is essentially saying, "No, YOU aren't allowed to care about that cause we said." Lol ok kids.

No. Are you all 12 years old? Lmfao.

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 Nov 29 '22

Another minute. Another Elon post. Still the richest man in the world

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u/yourmom815 Nov 29 '22

He’s trying to brand himself like that. Why? To build his brand for his presidential run, to bring attention to his other projects, etc.

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u/Luckbaldy Nov 29 '22

Thankfully, he is not qualified to run.

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