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An update on the recent issues surrounding a Reddit employee

We would like to give you all an update on the recent issues that have transpired concerning a specific Reddit employee, as well as provide you with context into actions that we took to prevent doxxing and harassment.

As of today, the employee in question is no longer employed by Reddit. We built a relationship with her first as a mod and then through her contractor work on RPAN. We did not adequately vet her background before formally hiring her.

We’ve put significant effort into improving how we handle doxxing and harassment, and this employee was the subject of both. In this case, we over-indexed on protection, which had serious consequences in terms of enforcement actions.

  • On March 9th, we added extra protections for this employee, including actioning content that mentioned the employee’s name or shared personal information on third-party sites, which we reserve for serious cases of harassment and doxxing.
  • On March 22nd, a news article about this employee was posted by a mod of r/ukpolitics. The article was removed and the submitter banned by the aforementioned rules. When contacted by the moderators of r/ukpolitics, we reviewed the actions, and reversed the ban on the moderator, and we informed the r/ukpolitics moderation team that we had restored the mod.
  • We updated our rules to flag potential harassment for human review.

Debate and criticism have always been and always will be central to conversation on Reddit—including discussion about public figures and Reddit itself—as long as they are not used as vehicles for harassment. Mentioning a public figure’s name should not get you banned.

We care deeply for Reddit and appreciate that you do too. We understand the anger and confusion about these issues and their bigger implications. The employee is no longer with Reddit, and we’ll be evolving a number of relevant internal policies.

We did not operate to our own standards here. We will do our best to do better for you.

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u/imsupercereal4 Mar 24 '21 Silver Gold Platinum Helpful Wholesome Hugz All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Bravo! Starry Ally This Bravo Grande! Got the W Burning Cash Rocket Like Bless Up Lawyer Up Take My Power I'd Like to Thank...

We did not adequately vet her background before formally hiring her.

Why?

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u/PauliesWalnut Mar 24 '21 Silver Gold Platinum Helpful Wholesome Hugz All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy LOVE! Party Train Starry Ally This Starstruck Tree Hug Vibing Crab Rave Eureka!

Since your vetting process is clearly flawed, will you go back and re-vet all Reddit admins and mods who are already onboard, in addition to those future ones incoming?

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u/SamInPajamas Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21 Silver Gold Platinum Helpful Wholesome Hugz All-Seeing Upvote Keep Calm Take My Energy hehehehe Faith In Humanity Restored LOVE! Party Train Ally Heartwarming Narwhal Salute Wholesome Seal of Approval Bravo Grande! Wearing is Caring Starstruck Tree Hug Masterpiece Burning Cash I'll Drink to That Evil Cackle Bless Up Eureka! Looking Dread Shocked Facepalm Take My Power Spit-take Yas Queen

On March 9th, we added extra protections for this employee, including actioning content that mentioned the employee’s name or shared personal information on third-party sites, which we reserve for serious cases of harassment and doxxing.

so you knew about this for WEEKS and decided to keep them until it got big enough? Crazy

edit- Dont spend your money on awards. Do something good with it instead. Donate to a charity that will help children

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u/Antlerbot Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21 Silver Gold Platinum Helpful Wholesome Hugz All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Take My Money Party Train Starry Ally Heartwarming Narwhal Salute Wholesome Seal of Approval This Press F Bravo Grande! Starstruck Masterpiece Snek Burning Cash Facepalm Timeless Beauty Cake

you didn't like, google her name first?

edit: stop wasting your money on awards and give it to charity or buy drugs or something

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u/tasteful_boner Mar 24 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Hugz All-Seeing Upvote This Bravo Grande! Starstruck Snek I'll Drink to That Eureka!

Glad you guys fired Aimee Challenor.

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u/nodnarb232001 Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21 Silver Platinum Helpful Wholesome Hugz LOVE! Starry This I'll Drink to That Shocked

Why are these extra protections for employees not extended to the moderators that make your site work? There's a thread on /r/ModSupport with plenty of mods talking about being doxxed with little to nothing being done about it.

16 hours later, still no response from spez. Quelle surprise.

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u/ExplosiveSpartan Mar 24 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Hugz All-Seeing Upvote Starry This

Stop calling it doxxing when the person in question was literally a political candidate, making them a public figure. You guys are so full of shit honestly.

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u/illouzah22 Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Hugz All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Bravo! Starry This To The Stars

How is it that you didn't adequately vet your employees but you heavily monitored and removed discussion surrounding them on your site?

Did you never once question why they were being discussed? You don't get to just sweep this one under the rug.

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u/Hellrs Mar 24 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Hugz All-Seeing Upvote Coin Gift Take My Energy Narwhal Salute Vibing I'll Drink to That Crab Rave To The Stars Glow Up Brighten My Day

We did it Reddit

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u/xyonofcalhoun Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 26 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Hugz

We did not adequately vet her background before formally hiring her.

Have you updated your hiring policies to avoid this in future?

Edit: Please don't pay Reddit money to award this comment. Give it to an appropriate charity like Barnardo's, instead, please.

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u/PopeFrancis Mar 24 '21 Silver Gold Platinum Helpful Wholesome Hugz Party Train Vibing

Where do non-reddit employees sign up for this doxxing protection?

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u/Nashtark Mar 24 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome Hugz Take My Energy Starry Wholesome Seal of Approval Starstruck

Bullshit.

Challenor is a public person. Her firing from the Green Party made the news, anyone can find this information online under a minute of research.

Fuck you

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u/BerlinghoffRasmussen Mar 24 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Hugz All-Seeing Upvote Starry This

Given the great lengths you've gone to protect employees from harassment and doxxing, when can we expect users and moderators to receive similar protection?

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u/Jibrish Mar 24 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome Hugz Take My Energy Starry Eureka!

On March 9th, we added extra protections for this employee, including actioning content that mentioned the employee’s name or shared personal information on third-party sites, which we reserve for serious cases of harassment and doxxing.

Wait, so you knew about all this shit on the 9th and did nothing?

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u/DerrickMcChicken Mar 24 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome Starstruck Shocked

You guys suck lmao. “Doxxed and Harrassed” you know maybe you shouldn’t have hired a literal monster as a mod/employee??? maybe you should be doing an actual background check on your employees? I mean “adequately vet her background”?

Her dad raped a 10 year old and she then hired him as her campaign manager for UK elections or whatever. And then you go ahead and hire her. seriously what is wrong with y’all?

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Hugz Take My Energy LOVE! Starry Wholesome Seal of Approval Vibing To The Stars Evil Cackle

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome Hugz Ally Burning Cash I'll Drink to That

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u/LegoJeremy5BLOL_HAX Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21 Silver Helpful Hugz 'MURICA

We will do our best to do better for you.

Will you though?

Edit: see you april 23rd, 2021, when the admins get in hot water for censoring something about china.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Hugz Take My Energy Starry Ally Plus One

Damn, never been this early to a big thread.

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EDIT: while I have your attention - there’s a genocide happening in Xinjiang, please consider contacting your representatives (whatever your country) and get your government to recognize it as such :)

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21 Silver Gold Platinum Helpful Wholesome Hugz Eureka! Lawyer Up Dread Facepalm Heartbreak

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u/Meepster23 Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21 Gold Wholesome Hugz Take My Energy Starry Evil Cackle

And it took you all day to come up with this statement? Lol...

Besides the gaping holes in logic between "no one should be banned for mentioning a public figures name" and you literally doing just that why am I smelling so much bullshit?

Edit: the "former" admin in question still has the admin marker on their profile.. lul

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u/potatohead1911 Mar 24 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome Hugz All-Seeing Upvote Eureka! Doot 🎵 Doot

Mentioning a public figure’s name should not get you banned.

Aimee Challenor.

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u/Lolstopher Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome Hugz Starry Wearing is Caring GOAT

Fuck off lol

Edit: great minds think alike. Fuck you reddit. See you tomorrow

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u/PoggersWizard Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21 Silver Take My Energy To The Stars Eureka!

Only when the Streisand effect took place did you choose to take action, since you knew you would only dig yourselves a deeper hole. Don't act like you didn't know or even cared in the first place.

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u/MidnightDragon99 Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21 Gold Helpful Wholesome Hugz Brighten My Day

Yeah, that’s great, but I’m still super disappointed at Reddit as a whole over this. Like, y’all seriously didn’t know? Do you guys vet people that little? Does that mean any person off the street could become an admin?

This is kinda concerning, I know I’m free to leave the site if I don’t like it, but this raises heavy concerns about the hiring process. Furthermore y’all tried to hide it. What else/who else are you hiding?

Edit to add: Her name is Aimee Challenor, google her if you’re OOTL. Reddit fucked up big time. See y’all if I get banned lol

Edit 2: I’m aware and fully believe Reddit knew, my response to them not “knowing” was in reference to their claims of not knowing until after they hired her. Which I don’t see why they couldn’t have just... Fired her after they found out?

Also, since this is a gross nasty subject, here’s a picture of one of my dogs in a bow tie to cleanse your eyes.

Edit 3: I apologize if I miss anyone when replying, I’m doing my best to reply to most everyone. Thank you for saying my dog is cute. I have read all your comments.

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u/Nate2247 Mar 24 '21 Silver Platinum Helpful Wholesome Hugz Starry

So wait... you gave her special protections against doxxing nearly 2 weeks BEFORE the article was actually posted? What reason would you have to do that, unless you already suspected that her personal information would be shared?

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 edited Apr 12 '21 Silver Gold Platinum Helpful Wholesome Hugz All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Faith In Humanity Restored LOVE! Starry Ally This I'll Drink to That Bless Up Eureka! Kiss

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u/ThePootisPower Mar 24 '21 Helpful Wholesome Eureka!

Hi, the employee is suspected to be complicit in the abuse of a minor.

Can they please be removed from moderator positions to safeguard the communities they currently moderate?

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u/Babyback-the-Butcher Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 26 '21 Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy LOVE! Starry

Why are people thanking Reddit? This is their fault for not running a proper background check on her before hiring her. Should we really be thanking Reddit for fixing something that shouldn’t have gone wrong in the first place?

Edit: Not to mention how they tried to cover her tracks to avoid embarrassment, and only did something significant when hiding her tracks wasn’t an option anymore. And I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt by saying they might not have known what kind of monster she is until after they hired her.

Shameful. Just shameful.

Edit 2: Why are people still giving them awards? You’re only letting them know that they can get away with this shit. Quit it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Hugz All-Seeing Upvote

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 Silver Helpful Hugz

the employee in question

She's not Voldemort, just say her fucking name, you cowards.

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u/mounthollyisland Mar 24 '21 Silver Platinum Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Starry

Meanwhile users get banned for literally doing nothing wrong lol

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u/pourover_and_pbr Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21 Gold Helpful All-Seeing Upvote This

Why did you add extra doxxing protections if you weren’t aware of her past, as you claim by saying you “did not adequately vet her background”?

Edit: fuck off transphobes

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21 Gold Platinum Hugz Bravo Grande!

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u/NekoIzMase Mar 24 '21

Let me get this straight, you first say you didn't vet her properly, but then you say you have added extra protection to her account?

You had to be aware of her history if you decided to add extra protection for her...

You're just trying to save your face by saying you will do better next time but didn't mention one thing which you will improve. Guess we'll see the same message on your next fuckup lol

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Hugz Take My Energy LOVE! Starry This Wearing is Caring Masterpiece Mind Blown

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 Silver Helpful Hugz Take My Energy

Y'all still retarded for this.

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u/FederalPresentation6 Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21 Silver Wholesome Burning Cash I'll Drink to That

Imagine hiring someone who had a kid tied up in their house and used like a fleshlight by their dad. I'm sure they fit right in at company parties and were totally normal.

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u/Pubby88 Mar 24 '21 Silver Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Eureka!

In the interest of transparency, will you disclose:

  1. Ms. Challenor's hire date?

  2. Her job duties and title?

  3. The impetus for instituting additional protections for this employee on March 9?

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u/SamInPajamas Mar 24 '21 Silver Hugz

Now ban their account.

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u/OCessPool Mar 24 '21 Hugz

Yes, doxxing and harassment is a problem. Supporting someone who tortured and rapes children is really a non issue. Let’s get upset at the exposure of horrible people. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

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u/Aaco0638 Mar 24 '21 Silver

Hiring someone based on connections rather than doing research if they’re qualified or not for the job........... The cycle never stops lol.

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u/EnureticThrowaway Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21 Silver Wholesome Hugz Take My Energy Burning Cash

Hi yes so this is great and all but please could I have my main account back which you suspended for "harassment" in spite of not removing literal hate that I linked to in many, many reports? You still haven't removed it and it's been multiple days, and when I appealed you gave no details whatoever.

loafegen : loafelore (reddit.com)

New tab (reddit.com)

Edit: I realise this comment is miserable and so is the rest of this comment thread. Here, have a look at what us mods were doing while we were sorting our lockdowns out.

EDIT: They had the nerve to come back to me and say ALL OF THE COMMENTS didn't break their rules. Even though they removed them anyway. So, I deleted my account, and will probably delete this one soon too. u/Gorillaz_RWBY, fuck you for being a powermod with a hate boner toward furries, and Reddit admins, fuck you for being human-shaped stinking pieces of rotten trash.

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u/ShouldHavePulledOut- Mar 24 '21 Silver Helpful LOVE!

Damage control, nothing else.

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u/vocalfreesia Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21 Silver

How did you not even google her before employing her? The incompetence is pretty astounding.

Edit: And have you removed her and her husbands accounts, or at the very least Mod rights? It seems pretty clear they are looking for vulnerable LGBT child victims by the subs they are active in.

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u/nk1297 Mar 24 '21 Wholesome Eureka!

You didn’t adequately vet her background???? That is scarily incompetent

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u/500_Shames Mar 24 '21

Why were the extra protections in March 9th employed without any acknowledgement or review of their background? How did you know that they were being harassed or doxxed without knowing what this individual had done?

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u/TheLordJames Mar 24 '21

Why does that admin still have their admin badge?

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 All-Seeing Upvote

We did not adequately vet her background before formally hiring her.

No shit

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u/tsaoutofourpants Mar 24 '21 Silver Hugz Starry

While it seems you remedied things fairly quickly this time, many of us are left asking: why does this kind of nonsense keep happening? It feels like the corporate culture at Reddit is simply toxic and attracts/keeps only employees who operate the site like petty children, and that includes you, /u/spez, with you backend comment editing scandal.

What are you guys doing to try to develop professionalism in your workplace? Pro Tip: If it doesn't involve outside help, it's not going to work.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21

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u/BoringEntropist Mar 24 '21

And as always, reddit does something only after the issue gets bad press.

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u/FormerlyPallas_ Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21 Wholesome Hugz

Hi /u/Spez,

What safeguards are you going to be putting in place to make sure this never happens again?

What are you going to do about the kid related subs that this particular admin modded or that people related to this admin modded, and what are you going to do to protect children who are on reddit?

When are admins going to do something about moderators being doxxed and threatened online as mentioned in the /r/modsupport comments on this issue?4

The article was removed and the submitter banned by the aforementioned rules.

As the mod in question, why if this is due to automated actions, would my ban only come several minutes after posting?


It all escalated very quickly

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21 Wholesome I'll Drink to That Brighten My Day

Reddit sucks

Edit: see u all tomorrow

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u/ObsidianZero Mar 24 '21 Helpful

So your excuse is just "we're incompetent and didn't vet a major employee with even a basic Google search?" Lmao clowns

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u/CalmAssist Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21 Gold All-Seeing Upvote This

Debate and criticism have always been and always will be central to conversation on Reddit

This is a joke right? You are anything but debate and criticism oriented.

Now that Aimee is no more, dig a little deeper into Aimee's friend u/nekosune who has three subreddits under them that are either focused at kids or are NSFW and have kids posting there. Nekosune is also a mod at r/LGBT (a very hostile place for LGB people) and r/actuallesbians (a sub hostile toward lesbians but caters to the T).

EDIT: Don't give me awards, don't give Reddit money. If you feel like spending donate to Vancouver Rape Relief & Women's Shelter.

EDIT: Nekosune this your alt u/LoverOfBubbles? Mod /u/nekosune has transferred head mod of r/trans and r/lgbt to one of their alt accounts called u/LoverOfBubbles. Then posted this.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

Shame it took the massively negative PR but glad you did it. That person was apologetic to reprehensible behaviors.

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u/Ceibaintj Mar 24 '21 Silver

Sir this is a Wendy's

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 Helpful

Debate and criticism have always been and always will be central to conversation on Reddit

Unless it's r/politics. Then mindless, knuckle-dragging group think is the only thing that is allowed, and everyone else is banned. You guys need to do something about those moderators.

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u/choirleader Mar 24 '21

Her partner is apparently a mod on /teenagers That needs addressing!

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

Youre protecting them with censorship? That doesn't sound right.

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u/Lickem_Clean Mar 24 '21

Stop making discretionary rules that can’t be enforced objectively.

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u/dragonsdescendent Mar 24 '21 Helpful

Doing the right thing only after the half the site got up in arms doesn't mean you actually did the right thing here -- it just means that you didn't want to face the (financial) consequences of your past actions, such as potentially losing your user base.

You need to have

  • not censored discussion about public figures on reddit and
  • conducted background checks regardless of the potential employee's sex/race/religion/etc.

As of now, this is just PR and damage control. Hope you do better next time.

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u/Jibrish Mar 24 '21 Faith In Humanity Restored

As of today, the employee in question is no longer employed by Reddit.

Reddit actually did something. Amazing.

Now donate to charities to help prevent this shit. Maybe something to act as watchdogs for this.

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u/heroicraptor Mar 24 '21

Yeah, and whose responsibility was it to vet hires? Who fucked up? What will happen to them?

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 Gold

What a laughable response.

To paraphrase, we underestimated the backlash we would receive and apologize for that.

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u/amMakerofComments Mar 24 '21

Tomorrow: Reddit hires R. Kelly..., Reddit bans all mentions of R. Kelly... what a bunch of gestapo idiots running Reddit, tell Serena's husband to get back to work

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 Wholesome I'll Drink to That

Lets not pretend like reddit actually supports freedom of speech.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

Overnight, a slew of popular subreddits seemingly inexplicably went private.

The mystery was soon solved: Redditors claim that the company hired a woman and is suspending anyone who mentions her name or her father’s conviction for pedophilia.

David Challenor was arrested for raping and torturing a 10-year-old girl in 2016. He was convicted by a United Kingdom court two years later and sentenced to more than 20 years in prison.

Around the time of his arrest, his daughter, Aimee (Challenor) Knight was a rising star in British politics. Her father’s charges ultimately derailed her political career. An inquiry by the Green Party deemed that she’d failed to properly alert them to the charges and made a serious error of judgment by having her father run her campaigns after his arrest.

Knight, a transgender activist who at the time was the party’s spokesperson on LGBTQ issues, accused the Green Party of transphobia. She later joined the Liberal Democrats. She was suspended from that party in 2019 based on her husbands’ tweets admitting to having sexual fantasies about children. She reportedly later claimed he’d been hacked.

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/reddit-subs-private-admin-suspending-mentions/

Of course. Another Social Justice Warrior hire. Great work there Reddit.

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u/Dthedaydreamer293 Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21

How did it happen in the first place? That should be what you guys are answering. It’s 2021 there is ZERO way something like this should slip under the rug. It’s not a fucking parking ticket for godsake. This is absolutely insane that one of the largest web based social media platforms would be this naive...shame on you guys all around.

Edit: my question was more rhetorical because of course they knew. I just wish they had the balls to say “we fucked up. We knew but we did it anyway”...instead they treat us like we’re stupid and it gets swept under the rug

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u/IPretendIMatter Mar 24 '21 Gold

Ok.. Now how about AN APOLOGY?

Do you even realize how many subs you have here for people who have been abused, traumatized, etc? (r/PTSD, r/CPTSD and so many more)

Do you realize by not bothering to care about the background of someone you were hiring you completely dismissed the extreme trauma that so many of your users - literally thousands- have faced?

Your words mean very little right now.

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u/BurnadictCumbersnat Mar 24 '21

Hey I get it looks good when you hire someone who is transgendered to a big fancy position, but it is extremely harmful to the trans community when you hire a trans individual who is a predator/a predator apologist, because there are a lot of people who equivocate trans people to predators.

So idk, apology not accepted, shouldn’t have hired her in the first place, whole ordeal is extremely gross.

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u/slumberingaardvark Mar 24 '21 Gold
  • Is their partner right now still a mod on subs mainly aimed at teens?
  • how did you fail to complete a background check on a person going into a position where they will have direct (virtual) access to children?
  • why was this person not immediately suspended pending an investigation as per safeguarding procedures?
  • do you even have appropriate safeguarding procedures in place and who is the safeguarding lead?
  • how are you going to immediately improve your safeguarding procedures given that they grossly failed in this situation?

This person modded a sub for trans teens, a sub of very vulnerable young people. This person given their background and the high risk concerns related to them, should have had some form of risk assessment prior to being hired surely.

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u/acabxox Mar 24 '21

Now everyone on here knows their name and has googled it even if they didn’t notice what happened.... lol. What a terrible way to handle that car crash of a situation.

Thank god they’re still not employed by Reddit. Too little too late tbh. How can they get that job in the first place?

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u/Kingtut28 Mar 24 '21

Fuck you, your protecting a CP supporter. You vile PoS.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

Do I get my account back? The 6+ year old one that was banned this morning for asking who she is? Because I’d like it back.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

Okay, can we do Spez next?

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u/CrabsForSale Mar 24 '21 Table Slap

I guess now I can do this without getting banned...

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u/ZeniTrashServer Mar 24 '21

all of you reddit mods are cringe af, retarded no life virgins, get a real job

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u/InB4All Mar 24 '21

I hear Garry Glitter is looking for a job, just don't do too much of a background check

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u/Slorany Mar 24 '21 Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

Way to miss the fucking point.

No one gives a shit that you hired a bad person. We're sure you have plenty more, anyway, and we just haven't caught on yet.

What's absolutely maddening is that you showed you have the tools to protect someone from harassment, and chose to apply them to someone with an understandably controversial past. That you chose to wield these tools as weapons, against users who understandably questioned your judgement in hiring that person. That you refuse to use these tools for regular users who do face harassment, and instead chose to use them preventively for next to no reason.

You just showed you don't give a shit about harassment on your platform until it affects you directly.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21 Gold Platinum

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u/mdj9hkn Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21 All-Seeing Upvote

Real problem with reddit is power-crazed moderators with little mini-tyrannies over every subreddit, admins unwilling to do anything about it. This was supposed to be a free speech platform but you've centralized control and shattered the entire premise. Not to mention that you've never fixed this problem where any minority opinion in a sub that gets downvotes gets auto-throttled immediately, after a decade of this going on. Frankly the only reason you haven't had a mass user exodus is because of first mover advantage plus the nasty politics of reddit alts - anyone who's used this site long enough knows users are basically treated as a unit of revenue and nothing more.

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u/WhatsMyAgeAgain-182 Mar 24 '21

Debate and criticism have always been and always will be central to conversation on Reddit

Yeah right

That’s why you get banned all the time in numerous subreddits for wrongthink

And now you admins ban for upvoting someone else’s wrongthink

That’s basically Minority Report pre-crime BS

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

We did not adequately vet her background

Sounds like y’all doing an Aimee Challenor.

“The evidence might’ve been all there, but I was not aware of what was going on.”

Soz spezzie, that shit ain’t gonna fly.

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u/PriorLuck Mar 24 '21

Can you reinstate the subs that were banned under Aimee’s tenure?

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u/CFC18662001 Mar 24 '21 Silver

WEVE FUCKING DONE IT LADS AND LADIES 🎊🥳

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u/Analretentivebastard Mar 24 '21 Silver

Was “she” a diversity hire?

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u/Blank-Cheque Mar 24 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome I'll Drink to That Take My Power

Allow me to be the first to say thank you, sincerely, to reddit for doing the right thing here. I will do everything in my power to reopen the closed subreddits as soon as possible. Managing this protest has been one of the most stressful things I've ever done but seeing the effect it's had has made it all worth it.

Cheers, everyone.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

Why did you add "extra protection" for this employee?

Why didn't you vet them before employing them?

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

Fuck you, u/spez. You're a piece of shit.

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u/oetam17 Mar 24 '21

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u/theboneapplequeef Mar 24 '21

Seeing as Reddit is rapidly growing and becoming more mainstream, this is honestly really pathetic and inexcusable. Something like this should never happen

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u/JJ_Horan Mar 24 '21

What will be done about the fact that people like Aimee Challenor and others associated with her are in fact moderating subreddits aimed at teenagers?

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u/WGiK Mar 24 '21

It's shady their name isn't mentioned in this announcement.

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u/Sorry_Slice_1470 Mar 24 '21

So when am I going to be unbanned from r/gay?

I only got banned for mentioning her

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u/Angie_114 Mar 24 '21

I don't know much about UK politics but I thought her father's case and partner's tweet went public and had caused an uproar a few years back hence why she was kicked out from two political parties? How did you guys miss that?

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u/dgsticky Mar 24 '21

you're so full of shit. You all have lost your way.

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u/cladranna Mar 24 '21

I’m very happy that you fired her, but you’re still not done u/spez. You still haven’t clarified why you even hired her in the first place and gave her more protection on March 9. I mean honestly, it took you so long to admit that you fucked up and then when you finally do the right thing it wasn’t out of choice but rather you were forced to by the public’s outrage and reactions. Don’t think posting this is going to take you and the other admins out of the blame. And this can’t be your only statement on this. You still have a lot of questions to answer u/spez!

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21

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u/gungagalungah Mar 24 '21

There’s a pretty stark difference between doxxing and holding a soon to be public company to transparency/vetting. This is someone you as a company employed and then chose to protect at the expense of unpaid community members, who probably aren’t complicit in horrid crimes against children.

What a farce of a statement, does a disservice to actual victims of doxxing.

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u/EwokalypseNow Mar 24 '21

I feel you, Spez. Of course, it's nearly impossible to do a proper background check on a person as public as Aimee Challenor was. Totally understandable, king.

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u/Tetizeraz Mar 24 '21 Helpful Hugz All-Seeing Upvote To The Stars

u/spez, can Reddit donate to Prevent Child Abuse America to show support for children and teenagers victims of sexual abuse in the United States? I believe this action would show that you really mean it.

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u/CantEv3rbeSt0pp3d Mar 24 '21

Debate and criticism have always been and always will be central to conversation on Reddit

Lolololololololololololololololol

Want to sell me a bridge while you’re at it?

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

I have to question why you didn’t think a thorough background check wasn’t needed when hiring

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u/GammaBreak Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21

Whose genius idea was the zero tolerance policy on the name and thought that wasn't going to garner negative attention?

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u/Quirkilurki Mar 24 '21

Why fire them? She fit in, just as fucking pathetic as the rest of you all. This website is nothing like it used to be, so sad

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u/Pmmebobnvagene Mar 24 '21

Why did you wait until after the backlash to resolve the issue? Reddit seemingly continues to act like all other corps - act only if the public notices.

We will do better for you.

We've all heard this before. Stop talking and fucking do something to prove it.

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u/HeyMickeyMilkovich Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21

First off, you guys are the ones that doxxed her. None of us would have known her name or that she was a reddit employee until y’all created this shitstorm. This was entirely your fault.

Second, f yes you didn’t properly vet her. at some point, you must have found out about her history way before this all happened, because you added very strict protections weeks ago to protect her. I do not believe for a single second that no one at reddit knew about her history before this week.
You’re leaving stuff out. You enabled this and you are complicit. It’s great you fired her, but clearly you wouldn’t have done that unless you got caught red handed like you did this week. This isn’t enough. You need to make serious changes.

  • thoroughly vet your employees
  • be more transparent
  • apologize when you’re wrong and make amends
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u/terraborra Mar 24 '21

/u/Spez will Reddit thoroughly check her private messages on both her mod and admin accounts to ensure she wasn’t grooming children for herself or her associates?

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u/dragonreborn567 Mar 24 '21

It's good to see Reddit respond to this, but it's troubling to see the reason for this is, in Reddit's own words,

We did not adequately vet her background before formally hiring her.

Letting someone with a potentially harmful background into a community, giving them power over that community, should always come with due diligence. I sincerely hope their hiring processes are one of the policies they 'evolve' moving forward.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 edited Sep 06 '21 Wholesome

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u/Bawdaddy Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21

Good to see the right thing was done. Now get ready to be accused of being transphobic.

Edit: this comment was geared towards Aimee making the accusations like she has in the past, not any particular community.

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u/KingJonsey1992 Mar 24 '21

So you didn't vet her properly but decided she required additional protection? To a point where her name got you banned? Why did you decide she needed so much protection in the first place? Ah well at least you addressed it, thanks.

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u/Zabrakk45 Mar 24 '21

Honestly it was super gross that this occurred at all, and made the users and especially the mods distrust the admins even further.

I’m glad you’ve made the right decision, but it shouldn’t take a site wide protest to repeal her, when a 5 minute google search would have provided you with all the information you need.

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u/orangeapplez Mar 24 '21

On March 9th, we added extra protections for this employee, including actioning content that mentioned the employee’s name

At that point, how did you not know about this users background? You had to have known. Someone had to have known.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

Perhaps r/thedonald was correct about Reddit’s admins all along.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 All-Seeing Upvote

On March 9th, we added extra protections for this employee, including actioning content that mentioned the employee’s name or shared personal information on third-party sites, which we reserve for serious cases of harassment and doxxing.

In other words, you knew full fucking well what she did, and decided to not only keep her, but PROTECT her from any kind of backlash.

Funny how you say this:

Debate and criticism have always been and always will be central to conversation on Reddit—including discussion about public figures and Reddit itself—as long as they are not used as vehicles for harassment. Mentioning a public figure’s name should not get you banned.

Yet you didn't even mention Aimee Challenor's name at any point, or even apologise for banning your users.

You are so full of shit.

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u/No-Tomatillo-5579 Mar 24 '21

" We did not operate to our own standards here."

...then you really don't have standards here.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21

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u/Actual_Lightskin Mar 24 '21

You're only sorry because you were caught. If 200 subs hadn't banded together, you would have continued your censorious rampage with no regrets. Reddit is a mockery of what it was created to be.

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u/KainoaTheMeme Mar 24 '21 Silver

We would like 😄 to give 🎁 you 👈 all 💯 an update 💰 on 🔛 the recent 🕑 issues 🙅🏾‍♂️ that have transpired concerning 😯 a specific 🐒 Reddit 👽 employee 😼👌💥, as well 😦 as provide 💰 you 👈 with context 🔎 into actions 😏 that we took 👫 to prevent 🚫 doxxing and harassment 😠.

As of today 📆🗓, the employee 😼👌💥 in question ❓ is no 🙅 longer 📏 employed 👨🏻‍💼👌 by Reddit 👽. We built 🔧🔨 a relationship 💓💋 with her 👩 first 👆 as a mod 👮 and then through her 👸 contractor ❎ work 💼 on 🔛 RPAN. We did not adequately 🈯 vet 💉🍷 her 👩 background ⏮ before 😂 formally 🕴 hiring 👌🏻😆 her 👩🏼.

We’ve put 😏 significant 📝 effort 💪 into improving ⬆ how we handle 😲 doxxing and harassment 😂🤬, and this employee 👤 was the subject 😙 of both. In this case 💼, we over-indexed on 🔛 protection 🛡⚔, which had serious 😐 consequences 🙊🙀 in terms 📄 of enforcement 👮🏻‍♂️ actions 🎭.

On 🔛 March 🚶 9th, we added ➕ extra ➕ protections 🛡⚔ for this employee 👤, including 📩 actioning content 🌍✔ that mentioned 👳🏾 the employee’s name 📛 or shared 👬 personal 👨 information 📄 on 🔛👧 third-party sites 💻🖱, which we reserve 👿👹 for serious 😒 cases 📋 of harassment 😂🤬 and doxxing.

On 🔛 March 🚶 22nd 😱, a news 📰📙 article 📄 about 💦 this employee 😼👌💥 was posted 🙀 by a mod 👮 of r/ukpolitics. The article 📰 was removed 🚫👎 and the submitter ❗ banned ✋🙅🚫 by the aforementioned rules 👑. When ⏰ contacted 🗣☎ by the moderators 😛 of r/ukpolitics, we reviewed the actions 🎭, and reversed 🔄 the ban 🚫😭❌ on 🔛 the moderator 😬, and we informed 🏃‍♀️🕶 the r/ukpolitics moderation 😬 team 🐒 that we had restored 🎆 the mod 👮.

We updated 🤔 our rules 🚷 to flag 🇺🇸 potential 💪🏼🧠 harassment 😠 for human 👤 review 📜.

Debate 💬 and criticism 😮😧 have always 🔥 been and always 🔥 will be central 🏢✈ to conversation 🗣 on 🔛 Reddit—including discussion 🤔 about 💦 public 🚋 figures 💪 and Reddit 👽 itself—as long 😩🍆 as they are not used ♦ as vehicles 🚚 for harassment 😠😡. Mentioning 💬 a public 🚋 figure’s name 📛 should not get 🉐 you 👉 banned 🚫.

We care 💅😦 deeply 😱 for Reddit 👽 and appreciate 🙏 that you 👈 do too. We understand 🤔 the anger 😡 and confusion 🤔 about 💦 these issues ⚠👿 and their bigger 🍆 implications 😏🔪. The employee 👤 is no 🚫 longer 🍆 with Reddit 👽, and we’ll be evolving 🎮 a number 🔢☝ of relevant 📈 internal 😂 policies 👨‍⚖️.

We did not operate 🔪⚔ to our own standards 🚹 here. We will do our best 👌😬 to do better 🎰😶 for you 👈.

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u/stickymeowmeow Mar 24 '21

In this case, we over-indexed on protection, which had serious consequences in terms of enforcement actions.

On March 9th, we added extra protections for this employee, including actioning content that mentioned the employee’s name or shared personal information on third-party sites, which we reserve for serious cases of harassment and doxxing.

Let's be real: you weren't protecting your employee, you were protecting your brand. And it backfired, horribly, which is the only reason this post was made - damage control.

We did not adequately vet her background before formally hiring her.

What? Seriously? Google their name, that's all you would have needed to do to "adequately" determine they were a liability.

Also, nowhere in this non-apology did you even state their name. Are you afraid of getting banned for using their name as you have banned so many others for?

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 edited Apr 17 '21

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u/three_hundy Mar 24 '21

We did not adequately vet her background before formally hiring her.

Will there be any process changes as a result of this?

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u/loki_dd Mar 24 '21

Just so you know, by continuing to support Reddit you justify their decisions.

Waahhhh, everyone's up in arms, get some sweet sweet karma by jumping on that band wagon. Get the pitchforks out, bitch and whine about evil Reddit. Y'all still using Reddit though.

Bunch of hypocrites

If you truly had any conviction in this you'd be boycotting!

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u/ihearprettycolors Mar 24 '21

Ah the Streisand Effect strikes again

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u/YmirGamera Mar 24 '21

While we're at it, how about we allow free speech on this platform and stop banning subreddits

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u/Peace_Love_Magic Mar 24 '21

You haven't addressed the fact that her husband, who posted his sexual fantasies of children having sex with adults on twitter, as well as her other sexual partner, are both mods on reddit for subs geared toward young people. Are they to be removed as mods?

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u/TuggMaddick Mar 24 '21

Stop fucking up in the first place. Shit is becoming a pattern.

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u/GDmofo Mar 24 '21

There are other mods that are encouraging and even facilitating minors getting hormone therapy without the child's parents knowledge.

https://archive.fo/hRrNz/02d5fa7727935f81fba622c79f8176e6d9bec7f7.png

Will you be offering this person the open admin position?

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u/Dravaek Mar 24 '21

About time. Y'all banned my first anti-aimee sub. r/AimeeIsAPedophile will continue to spread awareness of her disgusting past

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u/slobberinganusjockey Mar 24 '21

“We reviewed the actions, and reversed the ban”

aka. people found out that we were in the wrong so now we are going back on what we said and did

If this didn’t gain traction I’m confident that the ban would have stayed, and that the person would stay employed.

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u/SnooHedgehogs1524 Mar 24 '21

More confused about why pedophilia is more acceptable than FPH was.

But hey business is business.

Don't know your target audience 🤗

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u/TeaRoomsPutsch Mar 25 '21 Helpful Wholesome

Good. No more tranny groomers please. Reddit seemingly has a massive problem with this sort of thing.

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u/NuclearJesusMan Mar 24 '21

Talking about a PUBLIC FIGURE =/= DOXXING, Reddit.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21 edited Sep 08 '21

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u/beee-l Mar 24 '21

a news article about this employee

No, it wasn’t. It was an article about something else that mentioned her name, and not in association with Reddit. Stop lying.

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u/Fluffles0119 Mar 24 '21

Bull. Fucking. Shit.

You're telling me a politician who was under fire for multiple things never came up? You just let anyone become an admin? That's bullshit don't try to sugarcoat this. Don't lie to us and give executive speech because it won't work. Either you need to take serious responsibility and tell us WHY this person was able to become an admin with 0 background checks or you all need to step down as admins because its obvious you can't handle even the most simple job of background checking your employees

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u/MailyChan2 Mar 24 '21

Will you be fixing the damages done to subreddits/users/posts?

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u/M19Wielder Mar 24 '21

i can turn into a convertible

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u/AskMeAboutMyBandcamp Mar 24 '21

It’s not doxing if A) the employee is a bloody politician and B) if they belong on a damn sex offenders registry. This site is full of nonces. When will you crack down on that? How the hell does 4chan, alt right underbelly of the net, where you don’t even need an account, have less pedophilia and child sexual abuse material than reddit?

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

We did not adequately vet her background before formally hiring her.

A SINGLE google search would have pulled up everything you needed to know. Your website is a joke and your IPO is going to fail.

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u/b0mbatomically Mar 24 '21

This is such a half-assed announcement. You guys really fucked up here.

The longer reddit has been around, the worse it has gotten. Y'all truly only give a fuck when it affects the bottom line.

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u/narddog1939 Mar 24 '21

So y’all don’t check employee backgrounds? Sweet

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u/I_Frunksteen-Blucher Mar 24 '21

including actioning content which mentioned the employee's name

Holy euphemism Batman! You could have chosen "censoring", "deleting", "removing", etc, all of which would have been more honest and accurate.

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u/LtColShinySides Mar 24 '21

How was that person Doxxed? They were a public figure. One that was kicked out of TWO DIFFERENT POLITICAL PARTIES!!!

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u/OldMoneyOldProblems Mar 24 '21

Oh spez. You knew exactly what you were doing. Sorry it blew up in your face so soon before an IPO

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u/UnNameableName Mar 24 '21

It is not that difficult to google the name of a potential employee before hiring them.

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u/zdepthcharge Mar 24 '21

How was this person hired, when the media surrounding them was clear about their past?

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u/RevolutionaryHair91 Mar 24 '21

That is what we call damage control. What a major fuck up.

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u/Frost_Walker2017 Mar 24 '21

Shameful you hired her in the first place.

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u/zarus Mar 25 '21

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u/AtLeastOneCat Mar 24 '21

Great, now go back and vet all of the other employees. You're still not operating to your own standards.

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u/Drmite Mar 24 '21

Fuck you. Tried to cover shit up until you could not ignore it any longer.

You deserve no praise.

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u/R3DT1D3 Mar 24 '21

So you're not sorry you did it, you're sorry you got caught. Typical corporate nonsense.

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u/OddCheeseBall Mar 24 '21

While firing this person is a good thing we still have to remember that they employed her in the first place.

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u/cryotekk Mar 24 '21

She literally has a wikipedia page how did you not know?

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u/JimmySkimmy420 Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21 Silver

This isn't enough u/spez. We want a definite reason why this person wasn't looked into at all, the firing of the person/people who are responsible for looking through employee backgrounds, and a thorough audit of all references and reddit admins currently employed and of potential admins of the future.

You also need to do a through audit of heavily influential and powerful moderators on your platform. There is even one of the powerful person (who I shall not name in fear of getting banned) who has publicly stated their attraction to children online. I would understand a lack of action if this was new. But what is un-fucking-acceptable is the fact that this person was cancelled over this behavior 2 YEARS AGO. You not only refused to ban all accounts of this person, but enabled them to create accounts under different usernames to reclaim all their moderating positions. But to add even more, you have allowed this moderator to take over subreddits (Have admins put them as head mod) based on minor grievances (after their cancelling of course).

u/spez, You cannot sweep this under rug, you cannot ignore the problem until it goes away, and you cannot hide this from your IPO (which would make it a FEDERAL CRIME). We as a platform will not tolerate this anymore.

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u/Spitfire_MK_1 Mar 24 '21

It's nice to see that they were fired, but why tf did you guys not fucking vet her fully before hiring lmao, seriously? This is tarnishing my experience on reddit that this shit actually had to fucking play out.

Also, banning people on the mention of a name of a person isn't anti-doxxing, its censorship. You had to do what you had to do, but banning people for saying a fucking name is already going too far. People wanted to spread the word about what the hell was happening, and why subreddits were going private, and this wasn't the way to do it

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

Im sure if y'all managed to keep this low-key, she would still be employed. This isn't them wanting to do better, this is they fucked up and realized they lost.

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u/TsLegoAcc34 Mar 24 '21

Context? What did that employee do?

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u/DootyFrooty Mar 24 '21

On March 9th, we added extra protections for this employee, including actioning content that mentioned the employee’s name or shared personal information on third-party sites, which we reserve for serious cases of harassment and doxxing.

Were you not aware of the background of this person whom was working for reddit even by this point??

We did not adequately vet her background before formally hiring her.

I have a hard time believing no one even Googled her fucking name before you took her onto your payroll.

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u/mikefromearth Mar 24 '21

Right. That's good.

Unfortunately it seems that the reddit staff has created a culture in which people like this are accepted and protected. That is ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE.

I wonder if our subs should remain private until Reddit does more than a simple apology and bandaid.

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u/clearier Mar 24 '21

So wait, her partner is a mod on r/teens?

Nobody wants to look into that?

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u/Husky3030 Mar 24 '21

You fired Aimee Challenor, or Aimee Challenor ?

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u/AntiqueAutomaton Mar 24 '21

A young politician and transgender activist who is running for deputy leadership of the Green Party was fighting for her political life last night after it emerged that she had used her father as her election agent even though he faced charges of raping and torturing a 10-year-old girl.

Aimee Challenor, the party’s equality spokeswoman and a former parliamentary candidate, insisted last night she would not withdraw from the leadership contest after her father, David, was sentenced to 22 years for the “depraved” crimes. Aimee lived with him in a small two-up, two-down house.

A jury at Warwick crown court last week convicted David Challenor of holding the child captive in the attic of the terraced house, where he tied her to a beam, whipped her and attached clips to her body to give her electric shocks.

Dressed in a nappy and an adult-sized baby costume, the 50-year-old raped the girl and forced her to perform sex acts on him. As well as the rape he was found guilty of false imprisonment, gross indecency, assault by penetration, indecent assault, assault causing actual bodily harm, making indecent images of children by downloading them and possessing prohibited images.

This weekend Aimee Challenor offered no comment but a party spokeswoman said the candidate had been unaware of the crimes and would not step aside. “We are offering her our support at this challenging time,” she said.

Challenor, a high-profile transgender campaigner, stood as a Green candidate in St Michael’s ward, Coventry, at May’s local elections and as the party’s parliamentary candidate for Coventry South at the general election last year.

On both occasions she appointed her father as her election agent, legally responsible for running her campaign, even though he had been accused of or charged with the crimes, which were reported to police in late 2015. By the time of May’s elections he had a trial date. Candidates’ election campaign leaflets are legally required to include the name of their agent or promoter. Challenor’s leaflets for both campaigns, seen by The Sunday Times, did not show her father’s correct name, instead giving it as “Baloo Challenor”.

Baloo, a character from Rudyard Kipling’s The Jungle Book, was a nickname used by Challenor’s father in his work as an assistant Scout leader and volunteer with children’s gymnastics. He used his proper first name on the election nomination forms as Challenor’s agent.

Challenor’s father, who used the Twitter name An Old Arch Devil, also carried out design work for the Green Party’s national lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender campaign.

Challenor, 20, who was born a boy, transitioned at 16, around the time the rape took place, after a turbulent childhood that included being taken into care in about 2013 with two of her siblings after social services expressed concern about her parents. They set up a successful public Facebook campaign to win the children back.

Challenor became involved in politics towards the end of the 2010 to 2015 coalition government. “That threw out the Conservatives and the Lib Dems for me because of tuition fees, austerity and a lack of action on climate change,” she said in an interview in June.

The Green Party was also “miles ahead of the competition” on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender issues at the time, she said. She has become a mainstay of the transgender activist community, criticising feminists who have concerns about potential reforms to gender recognition laws as “transphobic” and demanding that the organisers of last month’s Pride in London event resign for allowing one such group to lead the parade.

The Green Party said it was “shocked and horrified” by the offences but was “not aware of any of these allegations until the case concluded and Mr Challenor had been sentenced."

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u/xterraadam Mar 25 '21 edited Mar 25 '21

Get woke, go broke Spez.

And the moron that downvoted me: They obviously hired this person based on their political and activism leanings. Corporations getting woke results in the types of things we have seen here on Reddit: The insane running the asylum.

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u/dr_funkenberry Mar 24 '21

Say her name you coward piece of shit

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u/INeverHaveGoodIdeas Mar 24 '21

We are very sorry you had to discover that we didn't appropriately google searched before granting this atrocity of a person a position of power

We, at Reddit ™ , are very thankful that you voiced your opinion by shutting down subreddits, because otherwise nothing would have happened

We are very happy to announce that our rules will be updated, and will silently be changed back in the next six months when all of this is forgotten

<3

(Insert glorified company goodbye here)

-Reddit team

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u/gabri333333l Mar 24 '21

should've never hired her

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u/Yabba_Dabba_Doofus Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21

I'm curious if you've considered the real-world ramifications of this situation, for people of the LGBTQIA community.

You're inability to properly vet candidates for hire, has brought to the fore a despicable person, who just so happens to be a member of that community.

At a time when LGBTQIA individuals are struggling to earn basic human rights, you have shone a light on one of the most vile members of that community, essentially creating a lightning rod for hateful bigots to strike at.

Have you considered the possibility that you have created a situation which might now lead to greater active discrimination against these people?

And if so, how do you propose to help undo the damage you've caused?

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u/Imjustboredprobably Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21

I hate cancel culture. But in this case it was the right thing to do. Pedophilia is just something we can not tolerate. We sometimes have to take a stand and I’m glad reddit choose this time to stand up for what’s right.

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u/mangotango1609 Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21

It’s nice to see companies taking responsibility and changing policy after an occurrence such as this.

ETA: /s

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u/smellynico Mar 24 '21

The fact that it took the whole site blowing up and this weak post is all they have. You should be seriously investigating your staff and why it even got this far, and what other employees might have slipped under radar as well.

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u/Lehman_ade Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21

Pretty epic to see so many subreddits from different views come together over this.

Redditors rule

Edit: redditors* thanks u/absolut_iceland

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u/Richie4422 Mar 24 '21

What about the comments deleted by Reddit and marked as "Deleted by Reddit"?

No words on that?

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u/Sendsomechips Mar 24 '21

We will do our best to do better for you.

So when mods are actually harassed and threatened with doxxing and on the receiving end of actual, legitimate abuse, will you actually help or do nothing?

My guess is no.

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u/GammaBreak Mar 24 '21

We care deeply for Reddit

I submitted physical and undeniable proof of a user catfishing other users with money scams, and was given an automated message that claimed you couldn't do anything until the actual person (not on reddit) spoke up and reported the content.

BE BETTER.

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u/freeciggies Mar 24 '21

“Specific reddit employee”. Just to be clear this is about Aimee Challenor whose father raped and tortured a 10 year old in the basement while she was in the house, and the same Aimee Challenor who married a peadophile?

Yeah, no you did not operate to anyone’s standards.

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u/Crackheadskinny Mar 24 '21

damage control too little to late

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u/Paladimathoz Mar 24 '21

You’re full of shit.