r/PublicFreakout Aug 13 '22

Utica NY mayor gets confronted by the people

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u/TheElderCouncil Aug 13 '22

At least he’s talking to them.

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u/Suspicious-Ad841 Aug 14 '22

Looked to me as if they were having a successful civilised conversation for the most part, then you got that idiot in the background shouting the same thing over both of them like a broken record

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u/F1secretsauce Aug 14 '22

CIA strikes again

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u/cheekygorilla Aug 14 '22

mock mock mock

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u/DustyDGAF Aug 14 '22

Can't hear what the fuck is going on because the dude not in the conversation is drowning it all out. Looks like the Mayor is actually trying to find a solution. Can't tell though because I can't hear shit over WHITE SUPREMACY

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u/yoshisquad2342 Aug 14 '22

You’re right. In this video at least, this man seems to want to actually solve the problems.

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u/BourbonRick01 Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

And then he has the audacity to say that he would also like to be present at the press conference. That was freaking hilarious.

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u/TheRiceDevice Aug 14 '22

Red apron needs to tell blue shirt to step off his confrontation dick. Run the mayor down on your own! Don’t ride my coattails god damn it!

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u/HanSoloHer Aug 13 '22

Lol I was expecting him to be like "my name ain't Tyrone asshole"

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u/Rudy_Ghouliani Aug 13 '22

But his wife is still getting fucked long dick style

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u/ScreamapillarAPI Aug 13 '22

Damn that's an old internet deep cut. I haven't thought about tryone in a long time. Didn't he get shot once recording a video once?

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u/Rudy_Ghouliani Aug 13 '22

It was a fake video, all that stuff he did was fake. Ig comedians always do fake stuff.

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u/suddenlycumbly Aug 14 '22

I love that you snagged the username.

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u/Dalybone Aug 13 '22

He should cut taxes on steamed hams.

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u/OlSnickerdoodle Aug 13 '22

It's more of an Albany expression

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u/symewinston Aug 13 '22

I’m from Utica and never heard of them.

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u/Dalybone Aug 13 '22

Y- Uh.. you know, the... One thing I should... excuse me for one second.

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u/ASmallTownDJ Aug 14 '22

Nyof course.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '22

Damn I despise that town.

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u/davidreiss666 Aug 14 '22

You don't want to know what to they do the Hams in Ithaca.

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u/theMezz Aug 14 '22

He should cut taxes on steamed hams.

No such thing or term like that used in Utica

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u/Dalybone Aug 14 '22

Oh, not in Utica, no. It's an Albany expression.

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u/Ok_Pomelo7511 Aug 13 '22

Does anyone have the backstory? Why is he mad?

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u/KingKalset Aug 14 '22

I work in this city, spent most of my life in this area. One example of why people are mad at this guy and his ilk includes this:

We have two medium hospitals in our area, both were fully staffed pre-covid. Prior to the start of covid, they forced a decision to build a brand new medium hospital in the middle of the downtown area of the city. Bought out or evicted all owners of property in the area, and are using a 300 million dollar grant to do the buying/building, etc...

Both of the current hospitals are closing, and the new hospital is being operated by a new organization, meaning that there will be half the capacity for staff as there will now be one medium hospital instead of two AND all tenure, seniority, etc...is out the window as this is a completely new organization, and they aren't required to carry any of that over. So for some people there's years of work toward retirement down the tubes, a completely new staff that has to start from the ground up, etc... Just the potential for massive problems in the future. This is just one example of issues here, not even a racially or ethnically biased issue, just a regular old financially based one. This city has so many issues, so much corruption, it's just unreal.

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u/Tar-Nuine Aug 14 '22

This is the dumbest decision i've read today.

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u/Nwcray Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

Because it’s way more complicated than that.

The old hospitals are, well- old. They need to be replaced. Utica is a city of about 60,000, and the (very correct) question came up “Do we need 2 hospitals? Or are there efficiencies that we can gain by making 1 better hospital instead?” Obviously, each hospital currently specializes in something, so the argument was instead of 2 OK hospitals, should we have one really good one? In addition, the cost of operating the 2 hospitals was quite a bit more than the expected cost of operating 1 better hospital. Health care costs have been rising like crazy, and are expected to into the future.

The issue went to the voters a few years back. I want to say maybe 2016, or could be 2018. Something like that. Anyway, the referendum to fund the new hospital passed.

The reason for the change in management could be to give money to someone connected, but there’s really been no evidence of that. What happened when the decision was made (and honestly way before) is that both legacy hospitals got into a pissing match about who would run the new one. They weren’t looking to work together, they were looking to take out a competitor. Eventually, as it became more and more obvious that they would each burn the whole thing down if they didn’t win, the county found a different company to assume management of the new one.

There were, and remain, a very vocal group of people who are opposed to the new hospital. They want to keep the old ones, and use the money to continue to fix them up. There are concerns about traffic (downtown? You don’t say.), and some older (blighted) neighborhoods did have to make way for the construction. It is a very different approach to health services than the city has experienced in the past.

I’m actually (despite how this post sounds) not strongly in favor of one side or the other, just highlighting that it’s not as simple as “New hospital bad!”. It’s a complex question, as these things often are.

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u/Nwcray Aug 14 '22

Apologies, I really tried to articulate that it’s a complicated question with a lot of angles. Continuing to use the existing hospitals was one path forward, building a new hospital was another. There are pros and cons to each, but the visions are pretty much mutually exclusive - it’s one or the other.

I felt that the original comment lacked some context, and attempted to round out the picture for any readers not from Utica.

I do count myself among the people who voted for the new hospital (it makes sense to me), but tried to minimize as much bias as possible.

Again, the point I was really trying to make is that it’s a complex issue. Sounds like we can agree on that.

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u/Internep Aug 14 '22

They don't need to do anything and you are free to judge their information how you please, including ignoring it in full.

Comparing 'good' and 'bad' is casting judgement, something they tried to avoid.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '22

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u/Internep Aug 14 '22

This may come as a shock to you: everyone is biased.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '22

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u/andressawant Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

Maybe you're not aware, but nurses at St E's have been fighting tooth and nail to get management to staff appropriately:

'“As nurses, quality patient care comes first, and management continues to ignore the needs of our community and our patients, said Sheila Conley, RN. “For too long, management has refused to prioritize patient care and ensure safe staffing levels. The conditions at St. Elizabeth undermine the standards of care demanded by our practice and our profession,” said Conley, a 38-year-veteran of the hospital working in the Intensive Care Unit.'

Link: https://www.nysna.org/press/2022/nurses-protest-unsafe-staffing-st-elizabeth-medical-center-0#.YvkmuXbMKUk

Also, both hospitals (as well as Faxton) are already run by the same organization, Mohawk Valley Health System. They've been affiliated since 2016 and formally merged in 2019. The new hospital will also be run by MVHS, not some new organization as some have posited.

There are plenty of legitimate issues to discuss here, but I think our primary focus ought to be focusing on maximizing efficiency to serve patient outcomes, not "honoring our history."

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u/quote88 Aug 14 '22

I know right, what a regressive and reactionary idea.

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u/Chalkun Aug 14 '22

No offense but you have proved him right havent you? Youve come on and taken the side of one hospital and insisted yours should run the new one as the other hospital is shit. So youre literally an example of what that guy just said. Massive rivalry with each hospital saying the other one is terrible and should be cut out if the process.

Plus i mean, who cares about legacy and history? A hospital is about care. And youve just admitted that you think at least one of the two hospitals is bad lol.

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u/isurvivedrabies Aug 23 '22

yo that hospital was built on neglected property, all you gotta do is historical streetview it to see how derrelict that shit was... pretty much brownfields. those property owners were holding that land hostage for their shitpiles to rot on.

the other hospitals are also extremely dated in equipment and ability, which was a common criticism of the area. i don't know why they're so underfunded, but the new one promises to stop that nonsense. "fuck utica hospitals, ask to go to syracuse" is often heard advice.

that pretty much coveres the meat of the reasoning. everything has drawbacks, but the bottom line is that the people affected most by the new hospital are the people who contribute the least. it boils down to a utilitarian approach.

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u/juggling-monkey Aug 14 '22

WHITE SUPREMACY!

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u/DEERTDONTHURT Aug 14 '22

“I GET SSI !!!” 😂

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u/Temporary-Fig Aug 14 '22

Five percenter!

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u/arnoldsufle Aug 14 '22

The least the city could do is subsidize a megaphone for methamphetamated homeboy that’s tweaking on a Nobel prize worthy thought-loop so he can amplify his poignant monologue to the masses .

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u/PrimaryYou400 Aug 14 '22

Someone should've told dude in the back to wait till the adults were done talking. How do people see two people talking and think "I know what's a great idea, I'll go talk over them to get my point across"

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u/Chemical-Reading9681 Aug 28 '22

Just saying, one can not complain about not having a job, in a professional sense, when their underwear are hanging down their ass. They can not be taken seriously no matter their race or creed.

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u/guantanamo_bay_fan Aug 14 '22

i dont know who the mayor is or what he's done but at least he's staying to talk with the dude yelling at him, trying to come to an understanding. he could have left in his car with his associates while ignoring everybody

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u/TuaTurnsdaballova Aug 14 '22

Dude has the balls to publicly call out their mayor and as soon as the mayor starts offering him a job or some special opportunity he shuts up quick. This is how these snakes work. They find the organic community leaders who can speak up and offer them individual opportunities to shut them up so the communities don’t have a voice anymore.

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u/BaryonOscillations Aug 14 '22

So the liberals find people like this and offer them spokesperson opportunities to shut them up? Just asking questions

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u/TuaTurnsdaballova Aug 14 '22

tHe LiBeRaLs!

No you cabbage, it’s any alsla in positions of power who feel threatened by people speaking up against them.

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u/BaryonOscillations Aug 14 '22

Oh, so what your saying is that both parties support black communities equally?

Im just asking questions, is the idea here that he needs to ignore the guy? What would you want him to do?

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u/TuaTurnsdaballova Aug 14 '22

Wow you’re so angry lol. I don’t engage with emotional trump simps like you.

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u/Tap_Terrible Aug 14 '22

Rob did fine..the guy yelling white supremacy over and over.. how can you have a conversation with that..I mean really..either you want to build something better or blame someone is entirely up to you..I just finished working on that corner for the last two months..there’s quite a few people that live near there with quite a few different view points..

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u/BeltfedOne Aug 13 '22

Politicians in suits and fancy shoes. Fuck all useless.

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u/aphelloworld Aug 14 '22

How do you think politicians should dress?

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u/leBry Aug 14 '22

Maid’s clothes

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u/Umutuku Aug 14 '22

Fuck it. That could work.

You have to really want to take care of your city if you're running for a job with femboy dress codes.

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u/AirColdy Aug 14 '22

No cat ears. No vote. Simple.

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u/BaryonOscillations Aug 14 '22

Dog whistles for both sides nonsense, this is pathetic

There is no both sides when the party blocking legislation as a policy point is also the most welfare dependent. Facts don't care about your feelings, get a job republican welfare states

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u/LABerger Aug 13 '22

This guys walked into a bee’s nest.

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u/daniel1606 Aug 13 '22

How did you do that

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u/LABerger Aug 14 '22

I’d like to tell you I’m a web-wizard, but I’m not. There’s embedded options on the mobile app that allow for adding .gifs

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u/chj747 Aug 14 '22

To be honest I was with him until he said "how you gonna support black business, small black business". As a Latino from LA I can say a lot of blacks feel the Latins and Asians "stole" their business

Their are tons of grants out there for small business and help but the issue is many aren't aware of if they are get mad if they don't get the grant. Lots of gra ts you have to reapply to and adjust/get proper paper work for. Just like school scholarships

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u/FreeMRausch Aug 14 '22

Its why paying attention in school and developing literacy skills and a larger understanding of how society works is important. As a Social Studies teacher, I incorporate lessons on small business ownership and the quantities business people should have to succeed in my civics and economics course I teach. I point out to my alternative ed students what resources are available for those who want to skip college and start a small trade business or retail business and what they need to do to succeed. I have family who are small business owners so i share their knowledge with them.

Problem is many students don't fully take the free gift of education and use it to their benefit, which leads to people thinking the system is always out to screw them when in reality, there are resources people can use.

Other issue is many people expect easy shortcuts to having a successful business and don't realize that to succeed, one has to often put in 80 hour plus weeks and struggle for yeara. Small business owners I know in flooring, home construction, food service, plumbing, etc all put their time in and struggled to get where they are. Same with many other business owners.

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u/luvyourself1st Aug 15 '22

Why do some Latinos always have an issue with black pride? Smh

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u/Ryankevin23 Aug 14 '22

The man wants what all men want.
I way to support his life! I job that will provide him with basic life needs. He isn’t looking for a hand out. He is looking to earn a living wage.

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u/RoyalJester96 Aug 14 '22

I can't think of an educated argument so I'm gonna just continue yelling white supremacy 🧠

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u/lilgreekscrfreek Aug 16 '22

He’s not really listening to Tyrone

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u/lakeuwood Aug 23 '22

If my numbers are correct the US has approximately 1.5 million black millionaires while the rest of the world combined around 100,000–150,000. This includes Africa, Europe, Australia, Asia, North and South America. Antarctica as well I suppose but I haven't looked into that.

Which is a big surprise to me considering only around 4% world's balck population lives in the US. So if my math is correct as a person of sub Saharan African ancestry, you're between 250 and 375 times more likely to be a millionaire in the US on a per capita level than the rest of the 🌎 combined. Of course it's somewhat skewed because the vast majority of the sub Saharan African population lives in poverty striken African countries. However I don't think those are statistics many people are aware of regardless. If my numbers are incorrect please let me know, it's been extremely difficult to find reliable stats on this question.

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u/Alchemist8810 15d ago

Typical politician move.

  1. Argue with the person.

  2. Tell him he's right and you won't just build one but build 2 community centres. Pipe dreams

  3. Get the loudest one in the group who made the most points to calm down.

  4. Then promise him a job, but make sure to do that off camera to not be accountable.

  5. Because you get the loudest one calm and under your belt he will now try to calm the rest of them for you.

  6. Nothing changes.

  7. Blame funders, banks, other city officials, red tape.

  8. Repeat

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u/atlboiscout 6d ago

he needs to ask himself why no black people open businesses in their neighborhoods? why are you mad about other people doing it, if youre not gonna do it yourself? get off your ass and put your money where your mouth is and take that risk. no one is stopping you.

you think everywhere person who started a business was rich? no you work and save, and maintain good credit to get loans , have like minded friends who trust and believe in you to invest their own time and money into you... but no you would rather just bitch and moan about white supremacy on the corner all day with the other bums and collect your check from uncle sam once a month

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u/ChocoTaco82 Aug 13 '22

I'm from Utica. Once a week the mayor and a bunch of his city employee cronies take city vehicles to a two or three block stretch and "clean up". It really is just a show and accomplishes very little. This particular block is far and away the trashiest, most gutter butt place in the city. It needs to be cleaned every week, not just occasionally. I assume this guy owns/runs one of the bodegas on this block. The type that attract a lot of the criminals and lowlifes that make the area so miserable. Frankly they're all assholes.

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u/Intelligent_Ad_6771 Aug 14 '22

It's appalling to me that you're placing blame on the owner of the bodega, instead of recognizing that systemic injustices and the failure of government policies have excluded members of his community, trapping them in a generational cycle of poverty.

The owner is trying to call attention to what he sees as the failure of the local government to address the community's problems.

Criminals are not born, they are made. Without access to opportunity, individuals will seek to create their own. It is not the bodega owner's fault, nor should he be blamed, that impoverished communities tend to have higher crime rates. So what if his store is a gathering place in his community?

Calling people "lowlifes" is dismissive and places too much blame on the individuals experiencing poverty instead of recognizing the oppressive system that dealt them a shitty hand in the first place.

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u/chj747 Aug 14 '22

Not saying the business guy is a low life but as someone who grew up close to the hood I can definitely say some are just "lowlifes". Tried the whole community beautification with my school at the time and they provided us with tons of resources and tools to clean up a city block. Took about 2 months but my school did a great job

1 month later and the fresh paint was already tagged to death, plants ripped out, and trash/litter was back on the street. You can't help people that don't care about there own community. Some of it is related to history and systematic injustices, and sometimes it's just the people themselves.

Even take for example the huge homeless problem in LA. Tons say it's a housing crisis, which to a certain extent it is, but to a much larger extent is a drug and mental health issue. I know it's messed up to like 3 families live in one home, but most people work together to make it. Vs the homeless I see are usually high or definitely off mentally

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u/ChocoTaco82 Aug 14 '22

Are you from the area? Do you have any actual stake in these people or this place? Or are you just looking for comments on Reddit to be appalled by and get self-righteous about? Genuinely curious to know, before I attempt to engage in meaningful dialogue with you.

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u/Intelligent_Ad_6771 Aug 14 '22

I don't know that one has to be from the area to understand poverty, racism, government failure, and the long history of systemic oppression in the United States.

Do you agree that the black community has historically been denied opportunity in the US?

Calling people criminals and lowlifes is dismissive and it allows you to mentally categorize people as "others" distinct from those in your in-group. Doing so helps to perpetuate many of the problems brought up in this video.

It's easier to ignore poverty if you think it only happens to "criminals" and "lowlifes." It's much easier to tell yourself, "Oh, that area is trashy because it's filled with criminals and lowlifes" than it is to confront the reality that generational poverty exists and is largely the intended result of government policy.

I'd like to hear your thoughts, though.

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u/mmofrki Aug 14 '22

It makes me think of the majority of Californians who are paying upwards of 90% of their income to basic necessities and people saying "Well why don't they just get better jobs or go somewhere else" without realizing that the people that are struggling and being criticized are the backbones of those communities that serve a large majority of people.

People that because of government failure can't afford necessities without having to shell out so much money for them, only to be told that they aren't doing enough to change their communities.

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u/apropo Aug 14 '22

Calling people criminals and lowlifes is dismissive and it allows you to mentally categorize people as "others" distinct from those in your in-group.

You are 100% correct. This is also a wartime tactic; dehumanizing the opposition makes is easier for soldiers to have total disregard for, or kill innocent civilians and "enemies."

Anytime the type of rhetoric u/ChocoTaco82 espouses is used, you can be certain "meaningful dialogue" is not the goal.

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u/ChocoTaco82 Aug 14 '22

"wartime tactic"? That's quite a reach. Sorry if my rhetoric about the place I've lived all my life, that I actually care about offends you. Actually I'm not

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u/apropo Aug 14 '22

Actually I'm not

Thanks for the confirmation.

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u/thirdsurface Aug 14 '22

Did you really just say "sorry, not sorry" 😆 c'mon man do better

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u/ChocoTaco82 Aug 14 '22

I don't disagree with the things you are talking about, in the abstract. I understand and believe in systemic racism, inequality in opportunity and how the cycle of poverty perpetuates itself.
The reason I asked if you are from here was for practical purposes, to understand if you are familiar with the reality if the situation I am specifically commenting on. There are actual criminals and lowlifes on this block all day everyday. Is it nice to say? Maybe not. Is it nice to ignore the fact and let things stay as they are, or get worse? Definitely not. There are people who are in the news one day having been charged with serious crimes, standing on this block the next. Actual criminals. There is constant traffic to these stores, many of which are people who shoplift from legitimate businesses to sell stolen goods to the people who run these places, who do god knows what with them. The shoplifters buy drugs from people the shop owners allow to sell in their stores. They don't make their money on bags of chips and cans of beer, they make it from criminal enterprise. Actual lowlifes.
Why should I care? There are a lot of great things about this city and these places and these people make it more difficult to enjoy them. There are art museums, libraries, and colleges literally steps away from this area. They are less enjoyable and less accessible as direct result of the danger these people pose. There is a nice Dominican restaurant around the corner from this shop I would love to sit down at. I don't feel safe doing that.
You can feel sorry for people in this situation, I do too, but there really is no excuse for it. This NY State. We will pay for everything to help people get on their feet. Many refuse. Many of us have lost patience for them.

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u/Intelligent_Ad_6771 Aug 14 '22

Your language just reinforces this in-group/out-group mentality. You clearly see yourself as separate from these people.

Again, many of these "lowlifes" and "criminals" are themselves victims. You want to address crime? Address poverty. Provide adequate access to healthcare. Allow for greater access to affordable housing. Offer more robust programs for childcare. Improve public transportation. Prioritize mental health.

Be mad at the government and politicians that routinely reinforce the status quo, not the impoverished community!

I hope that you have the opportunity to evaluate your belief systems so that you can see these individuals as more than "lowlifes" and "criminals" that you've "lost patience with" because you cannot comfortably enjoy a meal at a nearby restaurant. Really, you've lost patience with the government for it's failure to provide reasonable solutions, but you're transferring that blame onto these community members.

You shouldn't knock people for trying to survive in a tough situation.

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u/ChocoTaco82 Aug 14 '22

Well, thanks for the lecture. I suggest you and your strawman go hang out on the worst block in your city for a couple hours and ponder this conversation. Really easy to pretend to stand on some moral high ground when you don't have to live with the reality of the situation.

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u/Intelligent_Ad_6771 Aug 14 '22

I think you're missing the point, here.

I am not trying to attack you; I'm trying to point out that the language you're using is problematic and not conducive to finding a solution.

I'm also not saying that crime doesn't suck. I get it, crime is awful to deal with. I have also been the victim of crime. You also have no idea what my life is like, where I live, or what my experience with poverty has been, not that it really matters for the purpose of this discussion.

What I am saying is that if we want to have a meaningful dialogue about crime, which you claimed to want in your first response to me, we need to be clear eyed about what causes crime and the best ways to address it.

Branding people as "lowlifes" that you've "lost patience with" is just simply not an effective way to address crime or to have any sort of meaningful dialogue on the topic. It also ignores how systemic oppression begets crime in the first place.

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u/ChocoTaco82 Aug 14 '22

Telling people how to talk is not dialogue. You've made no effort to understand the subject at hand. You've ignored facts I've put on the table, to instead focus on what you assume to be "the real problems" (the strawman I refer to). It's fine, I hope you get some sort of fulfillment from this exchange and can rest in the knowledge that you've defended the criminals and lowlifes who I have so terribly slandered.

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u/Intelligent_Ad_6771 Aug 14 '22

The "facts" that you've offered are that crime happens in this area. I get it.

I'm not defending the criminals; I am suggesting that the language that you're using prevents you from seeing these people as more than members of some "other" group distinct from yourself.

Crime is more a symptom of a larger problem. If we can address the root cause, we can mitigate or eliminate the symptom. That's why I am talking about lack of access to affordable housing, job opportunities, etc as the "real problems." In my opinion, these are the "real problems" that exacerbate crime in the first place.

Like I said, I get it. Crime sucks. Crime sucks for everybody. But talking about a problem, in and of itself, is not a solution to that problem.

How do you think we should address the problems facing this community?

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u/Dblueguy Aug 14 '22

Talk about completely and repeatedly missing the point. People like you just ensure that there is never any meaningful dialogue about this type of situation.

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u/Umutuku Aug 14 '22

The real lowlife is always in the comments.

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u/Daguvry Aug 14 '22

Sounds like the mayor does way more cleaning of garbage in neighborhoods than I do.

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u/Boom_boom_lady Aug 14 '22

Had to roll my eyes when the mayor asked him to come to a press conference. You know… with cameras.

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u/type58 Aug 14 '22

The amount of anti white racism in this video is wild

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u/iBrake4Shosty5 Aug 14 '22

If you learn about you Utica’s history in prejudice and racism towards BIPOC people you may understand his anger.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '22

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u/andressawant Aug 14 '22

You sound like you're open to a reasonable conversation.

/s

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u/type58 Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

Well that's the pot calling the kettle black. I'm literally having a conversation but you decide to jump in with a statement that makes no sense whatsoever given the context and did nothing to contribute in any way whatsoever to this conversation. Talk about a hypocrite🥴

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u/andressawant Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

Why'd you delete your simple question?

I'm not u/iBrake4Shosty5 but I agree that learning history is a great way to understand the present. Plenty of resources out there for curious people.

Edit: Oh and now you edited your comment to reflect your new reality. Cool cool, definitely speaking in good faith...

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u/type58 Aug 14 '22

I was actually trying to edit my response to you when I realized it was two different people. I have since responded to your nonsense comment and reposted my other comment. Clearly you have nothing to contribute to this conversation.

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u/type58 Aug 14 '22

Please explain what Utica did against Indians? Or Koreans? I'd love to know.

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u/tdv100 Aug 14 '22

wouldn’t say that, just misguided nonsense

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u/type58 Aug 14 '22

why would you not say it was racism? Imagine a group of white people screaming at a black mayor, demanding a community center for white people only. while another white guy screams about how there are too many black store owners in his white neighborhood....and tell me you wouldn't call them racist?

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u/tdv100 Aug 14 '22

context matters, the context of the american story, and where this rhetoric comes from, 300+ years of racial violence, dehumanisation and economic deprivation… 99% when blacks are pro black, they’re not anti anyone else, 99% when whites are pro white, it’s anti other people … just a recent historical fact …

and he didn’t say there are too many white stores, he said there are more italian than black in black areas, again, this comes from a historical reality of economic stagnation forced on the black community via jim crow, whites can’t say the same, they’ve never been hindered based on race

you guys always wana do this “what if whites did this or that” as if white n black has been equal n has an equal history, which ignores MOTIVE in being racially driven, black motive is to empowering victims of a system, white motive tends (not always) to be about empowering already privileged ppl…

now i already said i disagree with them n they’re ignorant, but it doesn’t come from a place of hate in most cases

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u/type58 Aug 14 '22

Everything you just said is ridiculous and wrong in a number of different ways. You're just excusing their racism. And racial violence? Buddy you better take a look a years of crime stats, black people commit violent crime against white people at a rate approximately 10 times that of white on black violent crime. The only laws in place, that have been in place for decades now, are laws that benefit black people and discriminate against white people, so the only actual government systems of oppression oppress white people. Good job trying to pretend they aren't racist because people they never knew were slaves tho.

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u/tdv100 Aug 14 '22

Most of black on white crime is not racially motivated it’s just crime, white on black crime throughout most of american history has been racially motivated,

the laws now that benefit black ppl like affirmative action are so pointless that they should be ripped up, that can never compare to being denied loans, redlining, general racism in hiring etc, all recent history, elderly black ppl today were financially impeded and that’s never been corrected,

but my point is about intent, are they being malicious or is there historical truth to their complaints, objectively yes

ppl like you won’t agree, ofc you won’t, ppl like you support confederate statues and flags, we will never see eye to eye

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u/type58 Aug 14 '22

We won't see eye to eye because you are a racist and I am not. Your belief that you know the motivation of any violence committed by a white person is due to racism is because you are racist against white people, so you assume negative things about people based on their race alone. That is a prejudice you have against white people and guess what buddy, racial prejudice is what racism literally is. You can try and justify the racism in this video with all the excuses in the world, but it's still racism. If it's racist when a white person does it, then it's racist when a black person does it too, it's just that simple. (Especially when a black person does it LITERALLY 10 TIMES MORE). And the fact that you think black people are incapable of success without handouts just goes to show how little you think of black people. Truly you are an example of a typical "woke" person who doesn't understand you're just a racist yourself.

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u/tdv100 Aug 14 '22

i’m referring to the 300 years of violence, it’s fair to say most was racially motivated, im not talking about today ….

and i never said black ppl are incapable of anything without handouts, now you’re just making stuff up to fit your own agenda.

You don’t know me or my views all i did was educate you on american history and why these guys weren’t racist, i gave you clear nuanced explanations of why saying why are there more italian than black businesses is not racist in the context of black oppression….

clearly you’re just one of those ppl who doesn’t like to reckon with reality and recent history, that’s ok, it’s your right to be ignorant

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u/type58 Aug 15 '22

Lol you're not educating anyone on American history but you are clearly very ignorant of it or of the reality that exists today. Are you under some impression that there's been an ongoing 300-year genocide in Utica? Slavery has been illegal in Utica for at least the last 195 years. Utica is 61% white and 16% black, so it stands to reason that there would be more white business owners than black business owners because there's simply a higher percentage of white people. You keep saying 300 years of racially motivated violence against the black people of Utica based on what? your delusion of reality? Take a look at the crime statistics buddy, nothing you're saying is correct. If it's racist for a white person to do it then it's racist for a black person to do it. The context is that there is no black oppression in Utica in 2022, in fact by law it's easier for a black man to get a job in the Utica government than it is for a white man... So everything you're saying is nothing but ignorant nonsense based on your racist imagination of reality.

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u/tdv100 Aug 15 '22

you just don’t get it and you don’t want to, i never even mentioned slavery …. i mentioned jim crow … that has lasting effects today … you don’t care tho, and that’s your right

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u/Far-Engineer-5530 Aug 13 '22

What an intelligent conversation going on. I definitely want to listen to 5 minutes of it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '22

Sorry a conversation between a Mayor and his constituent over the state of their city isn’t stimulating enough for you.

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u/QEIIs_ghost Aug 13 '22

A person yelling and refusing to listen isn’t a conversation and isn’t helping the city.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '22

“Yelling at politicians for doing nothing isn’t helpful.” That’s so deranged that I have nothing else to tell you other than you’re some privileged person that has never felt what it’s like to be a part of an underclass. This is the least they can do to these pieces of shit, politicians only understand one thing and that’s being threatened in any way. That’s why they are just lapdogs to their corporate masters that guarantee their political careers through lobbying.

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u/QEIIs_ghost Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

The politician is there trying to interface with the dude though. If you want something done and actually have a politician listening to you rambling nonsense isn’t conducive to accomplishing your policy desires. Vote for the opposite party if the guy sucks but just yelling for the sake of yelling is 100% useless.

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u/KingKalset Aug 14 '22

I live in this area, this politician doesn't give a shit what people think, he doesn't actually want to interface with people, he is much more interested in the appearance of interfacing. If he can make people believe that he is doing things for the community, he stays in office and hands off jobs to his friends to build this park, build that hospital, tear down their business so we can make this area better. You know they 'restored' dozens of lofts in the downtown area, kicked the tenants that were paying $600 a month out because they needed to renovate, then when they were done, listed the apartments for $1200 a month. I can tell you sure as shit that the people who got evicted were not the same people that rented the space out next. They don't give a shit about people or communities, they care about the money they can full their pockets with. These assholes are straight from mafia families. Look up the history of Utica, it wasn't called the City of Sin back in the day for nothing.

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u/QEIIs_ghost Aug 14 '22

Sounds like you should vote for whoever runs in the other party.

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u/KingKalset Aug 14 '22

My Dad tried to run for the other party...lost his business, our house, etc...there isn't really another parry here. You're with them...or you've lost everything.

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u/Maximum-Gap7280 Aug 14 '22

Just vote 🤓

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u/QEIIs_ghost Aug 14 '22

Vs what?

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u/Maximum-Gap7280 Aug 14 '22

Speaking passionately directly to the politicians like in the video 👍

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '22

Once in like 10th grade Arlen Specter came to my HS in York, PA. He said a few words, took heavens knows how many photos, then questions. I was a crass and outspoken young man, which is being generous. My question was “are you here for all your pictures or because you care”? School staff was upset and embarrassed. I was reprimanded (add it to the list), and the school paper wrote an article about it. The article was positive on my end. I didn’t expect anything. I was just calling it like I saw it. I was out of line, but fuck fake ass politicians. It is 30 years later and I still hate their guts.

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u/Islanderfan17 Aug 14 '22

Hell fucking yeah

Politicians who do a shit job should be shamed like this in public. Too many of them feel like they have all the power and forget that a public who hates them will take em down faster than anything.

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u/japandroi5742 Aug 14 '22

I have been to 48 stages. I’ve lived in CA, NY, MI, NV and WA. Utica might be the biggest shithole I’ve ever visited in this country.

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u/literallydogshit Aug 14 '22

This is exactly what needs to happen any time one of these slimeball politicians show up to do some meaningless photo op. Shame and heckle the shit out of them.

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u/QEIIs_ghost Aug 13 '22

They sure like to bitch but don’t want to work with him.

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u/TheWampasCave Aug 14 '22

He wants help? I’m 40 never been helped once… Fuck Tyrone

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u/NeedleworkerIll5485 Aug 14 '22

Lol ain’t nobody listening to the guy in the back

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u/iBrake4Shosty5 Aug 14 '22

If you’re from the Mohawk Valley/Central NY you know the reputation Utica has. It is hard for me to feel sympathetic for this mayor when it seems like he’s more interested in creating publicity opportunities for the local Sinclair news stations

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u/East_Impact4101 Aug 17 '22

Its truly pathetic

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u/ASingleBladeofAss Aug 14 '22

We call that place Shootica for a reason

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u/andressawant Aug 14 '22

I didn't see any shooting in the video

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u/ASingleBladeofAss Aug 14 '22

I know but it’s to represent how insane Utica is. It’s been known to happen

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u/LazeLinez Aug 14 '22

Hopefully this mayor won’t get revenge on this guy for calling him out. I could easily see this dude’s business or house getting “randomly” inspected by the fire Marshall or some bullshit. It takes serious balls to fuck with people in power.

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u/KingKalset Aug 14 '22

Amen to this. I know plenty of people in this area that lost everything for questioning a person in power.

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u/texan_dabber Aug 13 '22

So he’s mad he has to work hard to be successful…

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u/Dragonwulf Aug 13 '22

User name checks out

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u/BurzyGuerrero Aug 14 '22

I feel this guys energy is the same energy I have as a teacher in the inner city.

ESPECIALLY on that "WHEN YOU DO HELP, YOU WANT THE FUCKIN TV THERE"

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u/nextistheEE Aug 14 '22

Is that Morton Downey Jr.??

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u/Pltr_x2-4_Tsla Aug 14 '22

Upstate ny lol what you expect

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '22

hE OUGHTA KNOW BETTER THAN TO GO DOWN THERE.

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u/HanzMurphy69 Aug 14 '22

You get what you vote for.

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u/Disastrous-Bicycle15 Aug 16 '22

I'd vote for that guy

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u/xxNapkin 18d ago

I mean…it’s a new age. Nothings stopping anyone now. Well…besides the cops but they don’t control what you choose to invest in.

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u/Danisii Aug 14 '22

Election time is when they try ensure the black vote then never follow through far too many times for many decades. Press conference??? He’s proving that guy’s point 🤦🏻‍♀️