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u/Mercybby Jul 01 '22

“But he’s not people!!!”

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u/red_team_gone Jul 01 '22

Just soylent green probably

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u/Daschnozz Jul 01 '22

Hey I get this reference

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u/AnotherCableGuy Jul 01 '22

"he's high intellect and smart now"

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u/Brown_Note1 Jul 01 '22 Helpful Take My Energy

“My son would never commit a mass shooting!” -all parents of mass shooters.

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u/RandyHoward Jul 01 '22

There's gotta be at least one or two that were like, "I knew that little shit was going to kill someone someday"

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u/Highschoolpr0nking Jul 01 '22

Yeah, those parents in Michigan that bought their kid and gun and fled town after said kid murdered kids at his high school. They probably weren't too surprised.

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u/GentleOmnicide Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

Much deeper than that as well. He asked for mental help and his parents wouldn’t do anything. The day prior to the shooting the school called the parents about disturbing drawings and they ignored the call. The day of the shooting his parents insisted he stay in school over another incident. During the shooting his mom texted him to stop before anyone knew who the shooter was.

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u/waka_flocculonodular Jul 01 '22

I hope those fucking parents rot in hell.

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u/Netflxnschill Jul 01 '22

Can you please link where the info is about the text from his mom asking him to stop? I hadn’t heard that part.

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u/GentleOmnicide Jul 01 '22

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2021/12/22/oxford-school-shooting-ethan-crumbley-jennifer-crumbley/8978836002/

Here is a semi updated from what I could find. She texted “Don’t do it”. Appears the parents through their lawyer meant not to kill himself and were unaware he was shooting up a school.

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u/Mellrish221 Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

Fuck, hes probably the kid that tells my party to go kill themselves in ff14 too! /s lol.

But yeah fuck this kid. In my 30 years of gaming i've said some pretty crass and tasteless things. But i've somehow managed to avoid saying, without much effort, "hey im gonna go take this ar15 and go shoot up my school and make sure i get X amount of people" in the middle of a game... SEEMS KIND OF SPECIFIC IF YOU ASK ME JERRY.

Believe people when they show you who they are.

edit* I plead the 5th and I have the very best people, the biggly-est people telling me, what I said was perfect, absolutely perfect and not illegal. It was the most perfect statement anyone has ever made and it just came off the top of my head. Those guys those? Yeah real trouble makers

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u/BondageKitty37 Jul 01 '22

Dude, you avoided saying it all this time and then just blurt it out in a Reddit comment?

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u/Scorpusen Jul 01 '22

Yah. He's definitively properly fucked now.

Insert Straight_to_jail.meme

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u/dragon_bacon Jul 01 '22

"hey im gonna go take this ar15 and go shoot up my school and make sure i get X amount of people"

-Mellrish221

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u/Mellrish221 Jul 01 '22

Damnit... i've been had!

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u/The_Damon8r92 Jul 01 '22

“Roger blue 4, we got him”

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u/lgowrie Jul 01 '22

Uh-oh, you just said it

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u/allistoner Jul 01 '22

He didn't say it he wrote it. which I just learned is a class 2 felony in florida

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u/Mdizzle29 Jul 01 '22

But u/mellrish221 is only 38 years old! Why, he’s just a boy, he would never do anything, not my Lil’ Mell!

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u/notbad2u Jul 01 '22

He's not a person, just a little boy, and it's just us. He says this sort of thing because of the boomers he meets on Reddit.

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u/voltek2108 Jul 01 '22

Well, ma'am those boomers arent the people we're arresting today. He doesnt need Reddit to eat or be warm, so you should take it from him.

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u/Plazman888 Jul 01 '22 Silver

"Do you have a gun?"

"I own a gun, yes." But...but...but...

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u/alertbunny Jul 01 '22

“He has hands & feet, he can go and get your gun”.

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u/Entire-Dragonfly859 Jul 01 '22 Spit-take

But it's not locked up. I don't think he's gonna walk all the way to my bedroom, open the drawer, and then walk to school. That's too much walking.

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u/CaptainKurls Jul 01 '22

Hes just a little boy! There’s no way he could do all that

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u/Spillmill Jul 01 '22

We’re this close!

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u/Xtasy0178 Jul 01 '22

If he is a little boy with 15, should he be able to get a drivers license at 16?

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u/Spadeykins Jul 01 '22

Special boys license of course.

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u/EmeraldLevinbolt Jul 01 '22

That shit legitimately pissed me off. He's 15! That isn't a "little boy," lady. He's damned well old enough to know not to say shit like that, and he's absolutely old enough to know how to steal and fire a weapon.

These cops shouldn't have pussyfooted around with her. I wish they'd told her straight up: he made a threat, he broke the law, and both he and you should have known better. Maybe next time don't allow your asshole kid to say stupid shit online.

"High intellect and smart" my ass.

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u/MajGHOB Jul 01 '22

The cops handled that just fine. That is his mother, she hasn't done anything wrong and she's also trying to come to terms with what her son has said. To her, he's just a child.

Imagine if this was your mother, how would you want the cops to treat her? Enough said.

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u/DodgeDozer Jul 01 '22 Narwhal Salute

“You can make no mistakes and still lose. That is not weakness, that is life.” -STNG

A huge chunk, perhaps even the majority, of redditors don’t have children themselves. You spend years of blood, sweat, and tears raising them. Being a parent consumes you. There’s no blueprint. No magic formula. It’s trial and error, while balancing your own bullshit as well. It’s really hard and even if you do everything mostly right, your kid has free will and will make some terrible choices. You just pray like hell they aren’t life altering ones for them or anyone else.

She knows how fucked his life is now and she’s trying to advocate for him, however she can. I feel for her. I really do. However, the cops have a job to do and I think they handled this just fine. It’s just a shitty situation.

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u/Lolplzhelpmeomg Jul 01 '22

Whoa! A level-headed and empathetic response in the wild!

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u/NinjaGrizzlyBear Jul 01 '22

"He's not people, he's a child"

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u/surfnporn Jul 01 '22

As my favorite saying goes: you are not in traffic, you are traffic.

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u/RedEyeFlightToOZ Jul 01 '22

"Kids say stuff like that all the time"

No ma'am, they do not. Your kid is not normal. You know this and you're lieing through your teeth.

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u/account_for_norm Jul 01 '22

Yeah... I have been a kid. I have been around kids. I have never heard any kid say that.

Kids actually dont say that. What kids say is, "i fucked your moma last night and she liked it", thats the kinds of jokes kids make.

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u/razerzej Jul 01 '22

"Kids say stuff like that all the time"

Name one, ma'am. Other than your own, I mean.

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u/East-Difficulty-3214 Jul 01 '22 Helpful

Mom should be charged too so being so f*cking clueless.

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u/loco64 Jul 01 '22

She wasn’t clueless, she’s trying to prevent her son from being arrested. She knew what he did was wrong but she didn’t have a leg to stand on. Also, it’s her kid so she won’t care if he’s right or wrong.

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u/cjmar41 Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

I think it’s in a lot of parent’s nature to plead in a situation like that.

And he might actually be a good kid that said dumb shit. Saying stuff for shock value is pretty commonplace now.

He 100% should face consequences. We live in a day in age where we, as a society, need to support the investigation and prosecution of these kinds of threats. We’re well beyond a zero tolerance policy at this point.

But I think the mom was just doing what a lot of parents would do. Maybe she’s wearing blinders, or maybe he really a good kid that said dumb shit.

Maybe I’m getting soft in my old age but I’d imagine it would have to be heartbreaking for a decent parent to watch their child be arrested for a felony/making terrorist threats. People plead when their desperate. Right now she’s thinking her son’s future just came to a screeching halt.

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u/Dinner-for-none Jul 01 '22

Definitely heartbreaking, but I would say just listen to that threat. I would have more sympathy for the fella if he had said something like “I’ll kill u noob I hav gun!!!” Yknow like if it was just some trash talk on a game that’d be a more understandable kind of threat, but if you invoke yourself by name and follow up with a declaration of intent and a projected body count? Damn. Man that’s a heavy threat lol he really picked his words poorly.

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u/cjmar41 Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

I don’t really have sympathy for the kid. It’s really more the mom I felt bad for.

I mean, he might be an okay kid but he still needs to face the music here. Hopefully an investigation into who the kid really is yields a measured punishment.

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u/fishee1200 Jul 01 '22

The only thing I feel bad for the mother for is having to spend countless dollars defending that kid. She didn’t turn to the kid once and scold him or nothing. Just defending what he said is terrible parenting.

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u/Irishknife Jul 01 '22

i think its the denial phase. She doesn't believe her son would make these threats and if he did, it was just a harmless joke he'd never actually act on. Once she has some time to process, cool down and look at the situation from an outside perspective, she will realize that they tracked the ip address to the house and her son admitted to his username saying those things which are not ok things to say. The law is doing their job to protect the public from threats they deem vaguely credible and you now need to follow the investigation/legal process of getting your son back. Most likely he will not be charged that harshly if there is evidence it was a really bad joke but community service and restrictions from owning firearms until hes in his 20's would probably be wise. Just like with people getting speeding tickets for speeding, you need a deterrent if you want them to learn.

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u/Debaser626 Jul 01 '22

I was a latchkey kid who grew up with little parental supervision (about 30 years ago… Jesus) and I’d say a decent percentage of the stupidity I sometimes got up to would land you in a ton of hot water today.

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u/sheused2Bnormal Jul 01 '22

Same. So glad I was a kid before the Internet.

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u/cjmar41 Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

Oh yeah. For sure. I was born in 1983. I vividly remember being a real clown in the late 80s and through the 90s. A big one that comes to mind is making prank phone calls around the time The Jerky Boys came out, my friend called in bomb threats to gas stations on more than one occasion.

I wasn’t a terrible kid and I’ve grown up to be a productive member of society, but I’ve certainly said and done things that would have derailed my life pretty hard back in the day had there been technology logging everything I did.

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u/desrever1138 Jul 01 '22

No shit.

One year, in the early 90's, me and my friends skipped school for my birthday to get high and paint the walls of my bedroom black and, as a "prank", they all decided to call in a bomb threat to the school during lunch period using my home telephone without informing me first.

Thank FUCK my school didn't have caller ID at the time. Even back then, half stoned, I was absolutely furious.

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u/cjmar41 Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

We’re lucky we didn’t get nabbed for the bomb threats.

But right around the time star-69 came out my brother had called someone and left a threatening message on someone’s answering machine (we were calling random people in the phone book with dumb names) Anyway, he did this Arnold Schwarzenegger voice pretending to be the Terminator. I’m sure it was lame but it was the 90s and relevant and we prob thought it was hysterical.

Fast-forward to later that evening… the phone rings and my mom picks it up. It’s Mr. Lipschitz (or whatever this particular person’s hilarious to a bunch of kids name was) who tells my mom he’s returning the Terminator’s phone call.

Needles to say my mom was brought up to speed with what we’d been doing while she was gone.

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u/XelaNiba Jul 01 '22

So many prank calls, and we toilet papered mercilessly. We were actually caught at it once, about 12 of us, and the cops just made us clean it up. Today we'd be charged with vandalism and God knows what else.

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u/kynthrus Jul 01 '22

I dunno what prosecution would entail, but I'd be all about investigations and mandatory therapy/mental health checks.

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u/iwasonlsd Jul 01 '22 Silver

well too bad, if my son was making "jokes" like that i would beat his ass.

as edgy as i was when i was a teenager I never pledged to bring my dads m15 to school and kill 7 people at minimum, alot of shit is taken as a joke but the people behind it are serious.

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u/boblobong Jul 01 '22

Sometimes you don't know. The mom of one of the columbine shooters gave a really good TED talk

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u/XelaNiba Jul 01 '22

At the time of Columbine, my mother said that the only fate worse than being a mother of a victim was being the mother of the shooter.

I'm a mother myself now and understand what she meant. I feel for that woman

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u/Liph Jul 01 '22

As a dad I’m scared every day of being in the situation of the mom. You never quite know what raising style, be it with yelling or no yelling, allowing video games or not, will cause children to say and do.

I think to myself, when I sternly chide my 4 year old son for being rude to his mother, am I raising a gentleman, or is this going to backfire on me and will he be a screamer and a fighter ?

I can only hope I’m doing the right thing and he doesn’t say something stupid later.

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u/Cconn Jul 01 '22

No? Don't care if you're being hyperbolic, it's a traumatic experience and no one should be jailed or charged for not immediately going "Ok officer your the boss:P"

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u/electrojesus9000 Jul 01 '22

"He's not THAT person."

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u/Ramps_ Jul 01 '22

"MY son would never!" - Every parent ever

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u/patriclus_88 Jul 01 '22

I couldn't understand why they didn't just reply "what do you think the parents of every school shooter said?"

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u/IUndisputedI Jul 01 '22

The plain clothes officer sounded like he was about to, then cut himself off. He stepped away after the correction, then the other officer started talking to her.

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u/sillyadam94 Jul 01 '22

And what the other officer said was something along those lines as well… just articulated it a bit more… delicately.

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u/go_comatose_for_me Jul 01 '22

"Oh, what did that little a-hole do this time" <- My mom

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u/Alex_Rose Jul 01 '22

tbf the vast majority of them are right, most people's kids WOULDN'T shoot up a school even though a lot of kids would chat mad shit online. but because of that handful of certified lunatics you have to take it seriously. 99% chance this kid is just a dumb kid but that 1% is enough to warrant his arrest

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u/bk15dcx Jul 01 '22

Don't do it Ethan

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u/TxSilent Jul 01 '22

Its natural to want to protect your children, but anyone is capable of anything.

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u/splepage Jul 01 '22

"He shouldn't be treated like a terrorist"

She thinks terrorists get sent to juvenile detention?

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u/Joliet_Jake_Blues Jul 01 '22

What color terrorist though? White ones get Burger King

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u/react_cursive Jul 01 '22

“You’re not that guy, pal.”

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u/NuclearEnt Jul 01 '22

You’re not that pal, buddy.

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u/fender123 Jul 01 '22

You’re not that buddy, friend.

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u/Imaginary_Extreme_26 Jul 01 '22

Uvalde shooter was “just” making violent threats towards women online before deciding to murder a bunch of kids. When someone shows you who they are, maybe stop making excuses for them.

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u/Chrissttopher Jul 01 '22

Its actually crazy they’ve done studies to show that like 80 percent of the shooters start off with killing a woman or hurting a woman.

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u/DRRB Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

As a parent I plan to show this to my kids to reiterated the consequences of saying something dumb in the heat of the moment and showing the end result. I've had these talks with them before but actual footage of kids getting arrested for saying stupid stuff helps nail the point home.

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u/NickNash1985 Jul 01 '22

I was thinking the same thing. My son is 7 and plays dumb games online, and we watch him like a hawk, but kids have far more access to shit than we ever did.

I bookmarked a few courtroom scenes on YouTube of people getting sentences for doing stupid shit. Hopefully I’ll never have to sit him down for a binge-watch, but it’s there.

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u/DRRB Jul 01 '22

Same here we watch what he plays and listen to other kids who say stupid stuff. I would hope my son who is also 7 would never say anything but just have to be extra safe and nail these points home before it ever becomes a problem. We haven't brought up school shootings with him yet since I don't want to scare him but it might be time to touch on the subject this summer with recent shootings around his age group so he knows how to respond. Always better to be proactive than reactive they say. Good luck with your little one!

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u/whodatbugga Jul 01 '22

The M15 must be ghost gun version of the M16

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u/OhSoSorryWrongHole Jul 01 '22 Helpful

I (M15) got my (M15) mom's (F38) M15(M15) to shoot up my (M15) school, but the police (M32/M34) took me (M15) to VJJ (i'M fucked)

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u/ExoCakes Jul 01 '22

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u/thatyeetgod Jul 01 '22

Mf didn’t even go with an m17

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u/hlorghlorgh Jul 01 '22

I have an AK-48 at my grandma's house

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u/Lord_Umpanz Jul 01 '22

Which is funny, because that's a special kind of weed

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u/lemmong Jul 01 '22

He couldn't decide between a 14 and a 16 so he split the difference.

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u/Combest94 Jul 01 '22

Actually the m15 is a Browning Automatic Rifle based off of the m14 but with a heavier barrel and stock, a hinged buttplate, a selector switch for fully-automatic fire, and an attached bipod. It was later ripped off by Armalite to produce the ar-15.

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u/Explosivo666 Jul 01 '22

Ha, you said buttplate

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u/realityGrtrThanUs Jul 01 '22

The officer in the video said Vee Jay Jay!

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u/M4sharman Jul 01 '22

Technically there was an M15. It was a modified version of the M14 that was planned to replace the BAR. In the end the US military just used the M14 to replace both the Garand and the BAR.

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u/Rambo_Sr Jul 01 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Those officers were empathetic and explained everything to that mother. Good on 'em for being human beings trying to protect other human beings.

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u/MeltAway421 Jul 01 '22

Yeah they were extremely decent to the mother as she was breaking down.

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u/ingenjor Jul 01 '22

Getting it on film and raising awareness among parents is also a good move. They don't want to go around arresting kids either.

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u/Goalie_deacon Jul 01 '22

I hope teachers start warning kids about making these threats, and say the kids can come to them for anger problems. Parents should, but an adult needs to for sure.

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u/splinks66 Jul 01 '22

Sometimes it's easier for children to talk to an unrelated party such as a teacher rather than a parent, friend or relative so giving them the option is key

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u/SeedFoundation Jul 01 '22

Kind of wish they slipped in a reality check though when she claimed the stuff he said is just video game stuff. If the kid is making those comments and you pass if it off as normal video game stuff you failed as a parent.

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u/AviatorOVR5000 Jul 01 '22

massive fail.

As a parent and a gamer, this would be one of my biggest nightmares.

I'm going to talk to my son today.

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u/BubbleGumPlant Jul 01 '22

Agree but that also might be a conversation to be had when the kid is not present. I’m not a behaviour psychologist so I can be wrong. But I like that the cops put ownership on the kid’s actions. I think it will sink in more for that kid on how he f’d up. Diverting partial blame to the parents in front of the kid will just have the kid think he’s not 100% to blame for his actions. If the parent then tries to have a talk and discipline their kid after they are released from Juve, not sure the impact will be as effective.

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u/Nightbynight Jul 01 '22

Yeah this was a good job by the police, however rare it seems, and I'm glad they arrested him. Anyone who makes threats to carry out mass violence should be arrested.

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u/Barcaroli Jul 01 '22

Yeah. The only thing I would say they missed is to tell her it's not up to them as police, they just enforce the law (it's not like those officers had an option); and tell her she is within get rights to a legal defense (plus Miranda rights)

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u/spootymcspoots Jul 01 '22

Scotus just said cops don't have to Miranda you anymore

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u/Flashy_Anything927 Jul 01 '22

Great job by the police.

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u/DontStopNowBaby Jul 01 '22

You can tell it's not their first rodeo with stuff like this.

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u/hostidz Jul 01 '22

he even said it himself, but damn was he good.

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u/Taint-kicker Jul 01 '22 Helpful (Pro)

Threats like this are serious and should be taken seriously. But on the other hand don't fucking talk to cops conducting an investigation without a lawyer. Tell them you will fully co-operate with their investigation but you want an attorney with you.

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u/Aerik Jul 01 '22

Don't Talk to the Police

Regent Law Professor James Duane gives viewers startling reasons why they should always exercise their 5th Amendment rights when questioned by government officials

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u/Iheartinetprivacy Jul 01 '22

Yup, I get why the parent would be frustrated, and it does need to be case by case, but you and an attorney can put together a coherent case. When you're arguing you try to make concessions to help reiterate your point. Those never play out well.

If the kid meant it, they just saved countless lives, if the kid didnt mean it, they all learned an extremely valuable lesson.

I'm guessing this will plead out to a non felony if it was just a kid being dumb.

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u/Baldr_Torn Jul 01 '22

I get why the parent would be frustrated, and it does need to be case by case

And it is. And each case goes before a judge. That's where this kid (and his mommy) will be able to argue "he didn't mean it".

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u/svc78 Jul 01 '22

yeah, they need to prove that the username and ip belong to him.

"falcon920, who's that?"

"me"

congratulations, now you just admitted to a felony in front of 3 cops

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u/Fast_Situation4509 Jul 01 '22

This is a tough situation/issue for me. Because I'm 100%, don't talk to the cops, fuck the police, etc. At the same time, if the Buffalo Jackass, or the uvalde dipshit had gotten brought in for questioning just before the attacks, WITH their lawyer, who made sure their client made it out of the interview as unscathed as possible.... Do you feel 100% confident they would not have, eventually tried to carry out the attack later on, after shaking the cops?

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u/Errohneos Jul 01 '22

No, but my confidence goes up that the near miss with jail time (consequences of their actions) enough to scare off at least some.

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u/klop2031 Jul 01 '22

You do not have to cooperate at all. Just dont talk to them.

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u/Baldr_Torn Jul 01 '22

You don't have to cooperate. But that doesn't mean they are just going to go away.

"Well, we tried, but that kid just wouldn't cooperate, so there isn't anything we can do."

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u/GlitteringDingo Jul 01 '22

I don't understand parents like this at all. My parents love me, care about me, and believe I'm a good person. But when I was a teenager, if I said something like that and cops came to their house, they'd have said "take him. Maybe this way he'll learn to watch his mouth."

Parents who try to protect kids from the consequences of their own actions are doing them a disservice.

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u/octopop Jul 01 '22

Yeah my parents would have let the cops arrest my dumb ass lmao. they were always saying that if any of us got arrested, we'd be spending the night in jail.

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u/1950sGuy Jul 01 '22

when I was around 15 or so, I threw a pack of firecrackers in the road. As soon as I did, a cop came around the corner, where the firecrackers then proceeded to explode three feet in front of his car.

He got out of his car and put his hands in the air in the universal "what the fuck" way because what had just happened was so stupid as I stood there like an idiot. My dad saw it happen from the living room, walked out onto the front porch and just yelled "he's a dumbass do what you gotta do."

In my dads defense he thought he had confiscated all the fireworks and he actually did I just stole them back because I was a teenager.

Anyway I got yelled at by a cop for 20 minutes and he threatened to make me go to fire safety school if he caught me out here doing stupid shit again. This was also a very, very long time ago and also a very small town where everyone knew each other and all the four cops we had. A year or two later he pulled me over for speeding and was like "aren't you the dumbass that threw fireworks at my car?" lol. I got a ticket that time.

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u/CompetitiveServe1385 Jul 01 '22

A good parent should also make clear to their child that spoken and written statements online can lead to consequences. Not necessarily just terroristic threats, but anything potentially illegal.

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u/cybKoz Jul 01 '22

Exactly. I can't imagine my parents defending me here. "Serves you right." Woulda been said a lot to me.

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u/vivst0r Jul 01 '22

As a grownup playing video games I'd like to strongly disagree about her statement about who's goading whom.

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u/OutlandishnessAny256 Jul 01 '22

As a 19 year old the amount of 9year old shits I hear harassing women, being racist, making threats to adults is crazy

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u/zayoe4 Jul 01 '22

Where do you think these 9 year olds are learning it from? I assure you they don't come out the room alt-right.

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u/Broken_art15 Jul 01 '22

Gosh I am ashamed to see the COD lobby behavior hasn't changed from the OG Xbox live days.

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u/activeseven Jul 01 '22

She’s just looking for a scapegoat. So much easier for people to blame something else rather than face an uncomfortable truth. Which in this case, is the FACT that her little angel was just arrested for terroristic threats.

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u/thecarguru46 Jul 01 '22

First rule of parenting.... starting when they are 3. Don't ever think your kid isn't the one. All kids can by bullies, victims or just dumb. I was always amazed when my kids were growing up how parents blamed everyone else's kids or teachers or friends....when their kid was the problem. I just assumed it was mine... whatever they did was usually waaaay less than what I did when I was their age.

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u/hardatit39 Jul 01 '22

When I was growing up, my mom just assumed I was the problem until proven otherwise. Lol So I mostly stayed out of trouble.

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u/tabitalla Jul 01 '22

haha my parents love me to bits but always just assumed preemtively that i fucked up in someway

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u/australian_girly Jul 01 '22

I complained about a kid in my childs class who was bullying him. The teacher replied, cc’ing in the bullies mother, and said…’Please dont think Ryan is singling out your child, he is equally a bully to many children.’

The mother of Ryan doubled down saying her son was definitely not the problem….

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u/ExcitementOrdinary95 Jul 01 '22

Gotta say these cops handled this well.

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u/IllustriousStorm5730 Jul 01 '22

While I get that it’s a lot for a mom to take in that moment… every mass shooters parents are always so shocked their kid shot up a school. Especially the ones with fucking guns.

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u/Nitelyte Jul 01 '22

Well, not those Michigan parents

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u/Joliet_Jake_Blues Jul 01 '22

Boy, they really owned the libs though...

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u/gustavocabras Jul 01 '22

The cop may be saving their lives.

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u/bigchicago04 Jul 01 '22

I could not imagine being like “oh all kids making threats are just joking, he was just joking.”

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u/Bluebird0020 Jul 01 '22

I’m curious about the process after the kid is taken away.

A few days in juvie is fine if you’re going for a “scared straight” approach, but I’m less interested in punishment than reformation. I hope kids like this have to be analyzed by a psychologist to determine which ones are shit heads who don’t understand the consequences attached to their words and which ones are actually in need of legitimate mental help.

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u/Xmager Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

It's a felony, likely fucked his whole life up. Unless they remove it when he becomes an adult.

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u/Obee91 Jul 01 '22

80% of all cases end in a plea agreement. He can cop to making a threat and get a misdemeanor and DA will likely require counseling or therapy as part of the agreement. DA's want to avoid trials most times.

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u/WommyBear Jul 01 '22

He is a juvenile. It will be sealed once he reaches adulthood.

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u/mcs_987654321 Jul 01 '22

Yeah - was generally on board w with the police taking the threat seriously (especially w a gun in the house), and impressed with their calm and professional demeanor throughout the process…then heard “felony” and my jaw dropped.

Bc a bit of “scared straight” + looping the kid into counselling/social services could well have a positive impact (especially since his mother comes across as less than impressive)…but a felony charge at such of young age, even if plead down is a hell of a thing to lay on a teen.

Also mindful of the “cash for kids” clusterfuck and would be worried that an influx of kids presents a tempting scam option for any judge/facility that’s corrupt enough to give it another try.

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u/Diddlemyloins Jul 01 '22

I’m 28 and have played video games since I was 10. I’ve never heard anyone make terroristic threats. That’s not normal.

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u/Twerkatronic Jul 01 '22

Only target was your mom

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u/aTaleForgotten Jul 01 '22

Tbf it's a huge target, so it's easy to hit. In fact, everybody hit it.

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u/surfnporn Jul 01 '22

Weapon of ass destruction

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u/CASHERNSIN Jul 01 '22

No deadass even back in the toxic aws MW2 days and playing Halo Reach in hindsight even with all the smack talk and vulgar insults not once did I ever actually hear someone make jokes like that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22

Yup just heard a lot slurs

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u/Big-Sherbert2511 Jul 01 '22

Quit letting your shit talking son play video games if he is that influenced by adults playing 18÷ rated violent video games. He's not smart enough nor mature enough obviously.

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u/RustyRapeAxeWife Jul 01 '22

Right? She kept saying “he’s just a little boy!”

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u/BathofFire Jul 01 '22

That really irked me. Even as a little kid I knew better than to say I was going to shoot up a school and that was before the internet. A 15 year old in this day and age in America should definitely know better.

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u/wronglyzorro Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

I guarantee she has no idea what her son types in-game chat. My parents never once saw anything I typed in a game. Yours probably never have either. She probably just knows him as her son who gets in good grades and doesn't get in trouble. This very likely is blindsiding her which would be devastating for any parent.

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u/b95455 Jul 01 '22

Either is she based on her argument. Turd didn't fall far from the asshole.

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u/AnalogDogg Jul 01 '22

"It's the adults that goad him into saying these things!"

Like that kid hasn't claimed to fuck everyone's mom who dared to best him in a video game. There's also a nonzero chance he dropped the n bomb a few times, I'm sure.

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u/Bootybandit6989 Jul 01 '22

MW2 lobbies flashbacks intensifies. Let's see if it'll happen again this year with MW2 LOL

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u/PhotoOpportunity Jul 01 '22

What do you mean, it still happens in the latest MW, lol.

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u/FizzlePopBerryTwist Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

Parents: You don't ever know what your kids have hidden from you!

One of my brother's "friends" stole a PS2 memory card from our house during a visit. It was mine and they thought it was his I guess or didn't care, I don't know. I went to the kid's house, gave him the benefit of the doubt, just asked for it back so I could finish Metal Gear Solid 2. Promised not to rat him out. Instead he shows me that he's carved his initials in to it so that means it is his. Uh huh. Then he tried to fight me. I'm like 3 years older than this kid and I know some basic orange belt karate at the time. I just get out of his grasp, give him a slight push to make space. Then he goes full drama queen, throws himself in to the couch like I had tossed him across the room or something.

This is the part where he cries for his dad, who has no idea what is happening. The dad comes in and lifts me off the ground and literally tosses me out of the house, told me his boy would never steal anything and he keeps money on the side of his bed all this nonsense. The more I tried to reason with him and explain his son is clearly had stolen it and I saw it and I didn't come to fight, just get it back, he got angrier and more "machismo".

Then a cop shows up at my house. I thought my parents had called the cops on that other kid. Nope. The thief kid's father called the cops. The police officer starts yelling at me about assaulting a minor and I'm super confused for a moment, but then it clicked what was really happening. I explain what really happened and that I can prove its my memory card because there's a custom Skatepark with a specific name on the memory card. Basically, rolling the dice that this thief kid was too short-sighted to delete any incriminating evidence.

The cop goes back to the kid's house, makes him pull up the memory files. He was arrested on the spot. The father reacted pretty much the same way this lady did and couldn't believe his boy did something like this. That thief kid went to juvey and got raped. Yes, someone literally sexually assaulted this kid. He was eaten alive in there. The father apologized to my parents but wouldn't talk to me directly. The game was held for 30 days as evidence.

So imagine if that dad had taken one moment to sit everyone down. Ask about this. Not just put blind faith in his son. I would have beat the game 30 days earlier and his son wouldn't have gone to prison, gotten ass raped, and lost many years of his youth.

Edit: This is the memory card with his initials This was probably circa 2002.

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u/Thos_Hobbes Jul 01 '22

Wow dude. Ass-fucked over a PS2 card. America is harsh.

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u/FizzlePopBerryTwist Jul 01 '22

Imagine being a father and knowing your son was raped in prison because you called the cops on the wrong kid instead of just taking 5 minutes to look at the situation. I did not even have the option to drop charges because the police officer witnessed the evidence of the crime.

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u/randyflagg416 Jul 01 '22

They gave that mom far too much time. Your son threatened to kill his classmates, she’s fortunate police are intervening now before her son is a) an actual mass shooter, and murders his classmates Or b) before he goes further down this line of thinking and she loses him to a shootout with police later, either before or after he commits an act of violence.

No room for these threats and glad police were able to intervene before anyone got hurt. The moms in pain, but her feelings matter nil in comparison to the lives of children.

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u/baglee22 Jul 01 '22 Helpful

Florida? How is it that 15yo boys making violent threats of murder are “still just little kids” but 15yo girls who are raped “are old enough to be a parent”

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u/CASHERNSIN Jul 01 '22

Fucking bullshit man I can't stand parents like this. No god damn accountability.

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u/JackwithaMac Jul 01 '22

So at first he’s a little boy, then it’s just a joke, then it’s just a game, then he isn’t that type of kid, then it’s the adults fault who also play games… I mean god damn. Your kid didn’t say “I could sh**t up a sch00l” that motherfucker had a plan of action. And the parents are gun owners, which makes it all the more likely that little Timmy will enact his plan the next time his game is taken away or he gets called a dumbass at school or whatever. Even the kid shut the fuck up and accepted his fate but mommy dearest clearly isn’t familiar with taking responsibility for actions..

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u/SuperSpaceCan Jul 01 '22

it's always cringy when they use your screen name irl. It's even more cringe when they use it while identifying you as a suspect in a threat to shoot up a school.

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u/Bailey-of-neptune Jul 01 '22

My mother would have thrown me in that cop car herself and said enjoy jail

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u/Hoz85 Jul 01 '22

Mine would do the same + probably bitch slap me.

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u/SnooDoughnuts7315 Jul 01 '22

"But it's just a joke" until it fucking isn't! Tell that to all the fucking CHILDREN that have died in school shootings since fucking Columbine! Shit ass mother trying to get her pweshus wittle boy outta trouble. Fuck this kid and his mom. lock him up and send him to intense therapy for a few years and then we'll see about letting him back out into society.

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u/Substantial_Fail5672 Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

People say thst all the time about shit and I always ask them "what's the joke? What's actually funny about rape/assault/shootings/etc?"

It's never a joke, it's a test to see how far they can go

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u/n4ughty_ Jul 01 '22

Finally some backbone

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u/Nerdiestlesbian Jul 01 '22

Smh.. I have a son, I constantly monitor what he does on-line. We have had many conversations about what is and isn’t appropriate to say. This is lack of parenting at it’s finest.

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u/maybedank420 Jul 01 '22

I got in trouble for talking about blowing up a building in Minecraft.

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u/Suddenly_Something Jul 01 '22

Tbh the first thing he will learn to do is dodge whatever monitoring you have on his computer.

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u/wontholdthedoor Jul 01 '22

Facts. Zero tolerance for kids mouthing off with violent threats on the Internet. The next generation just might be better because of it.

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u/1Hollickster Jul 01 '22

But he is just a kid. They play these games we buy them. That say warning 17+ mature, violence and use discretion. Smh

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u/micats Jul 01 '22

This mother is part of the problem

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u/ThriceFive Jul 01 '22

I hope consequence videos like this get widely circulated among young people. Threats of school shooting are terrorism too....it doesn't matter what medium it was said in; Fortnite is their town hall, Minecraft is the town hall, VRChat - same thing. It is still social media even if you can play a game while you are chatting with your peers.

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u/UnderTheMuddyWater Jul 01 '22

Her precious little baby boy, though!

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u/Joliet_Jake_Blues Jul 01 '22

To any normal person this would be devastating. I'm assuming she feels like a failure as a parent. Regrets not paying more attention to what he was doing online, or correcting him if she ever heard him saying shit like this on Xbox live. Worried about the cost of a lawyer or fines. Worried about his ability to lead a normal life with a felony arrest. Embarrassed about what her family and peers will think about her and him. Mad that the father was a piece of shit who wasn't around to help. Mad that she probably had to work and wasn't around enough to supervise his upbringing more.

This one of the worst moments in her life and she's in shock

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u/smoomoo31 Jul 01 '22

Thank you for providing some damn logic to what she’s feeling. She’s probably in a grieving process too. Denial is a real thing, folks. She’s not automatically a bad person. She’s a fuckin human.

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u/gonzaloetjo Jul 01 '22

It’s quite a normal reaction tbh. Better to know the kid has a parent that cares than one that doesn’t.

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u/Cyradus_Hateborn Jul 01 '22

I have zero sympathy. In these times, parents need to sit kids down and talk to them about what to say and type and what not to say or type. I bet this is one of those parents that doesn’t communicate with their kid, just buys them a video game to keep pacified for hours so they can get out of doing actual parenting.

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u/ScoobyDoobieDoo54 Jul 01 '22

Playing a video game has nothing to do with making a claim/statment to shoot up your school wtf

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u/Spud788 Jul 01 '22

I don't recall saying anything like that when I was a kid because you know... Because I'm not a psychopath...

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u/Random_act_of_Random Jul 01 '22

"he didn't do anything wrong."

Uhhh yeah he did. Glad they're doing something TBH.

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u/BadPsychNurse Jul 01 '22

Credit to the officers patience and time to explain stuff. Speaks volumes

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u/Revolutionary-Fox-47 Jul 01 '22

The first person he'd shoot is his mother.

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u/kimjongk80 Jul 01 '22

“That’s not my son!” “I understand kids are being shot and killed in school!” Well then teach your degenerate piss stain of a “little boy” not to make fun of mass shootings and joke about doing one you failure of a mother.

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u/Loki_the_Jeeb Jul 01 '22

Fuckin oath lol got em

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u/Longjumping_Pin6702 Jul 01 '22

Context BEYOND and how this kid got these people here to arrest him....the statement we heard on this video alone, I pretty much guarantee was NOT the only thing this dumb kid boasted and maybe multiple times in different variations to different people. It was NOT just one statement made and bam the feds are at their door.

That being said, if my son or daughter EVER was caught saying or doing what these officer's told that mother....I would have been SCREAMING at my child and probably trying to slap them silly as their parent - because that's NOT how I taught my children to behave/act....this woman is standing there making EXCUSES instead of making her son take responsibility for his own actions and she sure as hell isn't getting brownie points for her reactions to this horrible situation either..........and that's the recipe for a school shooter or a school bully: Not my kid........BULLSHIT....just my opinion and I'm a drop in the pond....

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u/aversimemuero Jul 01 '22

She totally lost me when she said "he didn't do anything wrong". I understand she loves her son and doesn't want anything bad to happen to him but come on

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u/Joliet_Jake_Blues Jul 01 '22

You're very virtuous, but you do your kid no favors by telling your kid to own up to their actions to the police.

No matter what they've done, you tell your kid to shut the fuck up and not say a goddamn word without a lawyer.

And as their parent you don't consent to any search without a warrant, and you don't allow any questioning.

This is a pivotal moment in their life and one little fuck up on your part, you allowing your pride and "I didn't raise my son this way" to get in the way, and you can end any meaningful existence for them.

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u/Key_Initiative_8838 Jul 01 '22

The mom is so annoying. No accountability at all. I'm glad they arrested the little shit.

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u/BallPtPenTheif Jul 01 '22

"Do you own a gun?"

"I have a gun, yes."

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u/noonaboosa Jul 01 '22

notice how theyre arguing with the woman as they arrest her kid and reasoning with her- thats white privilege right there

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u/AlienDarwin Jul 01 '22

I have been doing comedy since I was a kid,write some dark comedy here,it's all over my profile . I have never considered saying anything as screwed up as what that kid wrote anywhere anytime.Hell yeah arrest him and keep on a list.That kid has issues or at least is stupid to not understand consequences today get serious for making threats .

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u/teztikel Jul 01 '22

Yeah it makes sense not to say shit like that because it just isn’t funny. No punchline or set up. Literally just a blatant threat.

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u/SonOfAstaroth Jul 01 '22

"he's 15 he's just a boy!" mam I've arrested 13 year olds in stolen cars driving on the wrong side of the road at over 100kph.

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u/Maximum-Excitement58 Jul 01 '22

“He’s not people, he’s a child.”

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22

"OMG, he thinks hes people!"

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u/Maximum-Excitement58 Jul 01 '22

Everyone knows that only Soylent Green is people.

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