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A Doberman with non-docked ears and tail. Image not mine.
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u/LoveDeathandRobert 7d ago
They’re super cute in their natural state. That’s why they cut their ears, cause without the procedure – they look like giant puppies… which they are.
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u/TexanInExile 7d ago
Great Danes too. We didn't crop our dog's ears and they looked so goofy, which matched their personality
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u/Adamtess 7d ago
Our Dane is just an overgrown puppy clown, funniest dog. Easily the most gentle and we owned bichons prior to this
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u/ShpongleLaand 7d ago
I love big dogs that act like little dogs. A childhood friend of mine had a gigantic French mastiff named otis who was like over 120lbs. He always wanted to lay on me while I was on the couch, one time i woke up and he was laying on me length wise with his jowls draped over my face and I could barely breathe.
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u/DemonDuckOfDoom666 7d ago
Honestly I’ve never seen a dog with cropped ears other than on the internet, is this just some deranged fashion in America or is it weird that we don’t do it in the UK?
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u/RissaCrochets 7d ago
It's not weird you don't do it, it's a mercy. It's a completely unnecessary cosmetic surgery to make the dogs conform to breed standards. Outside of medical reasons there are no justifiable reason to dock a dog's tail or ears, it's just mutilation.
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u/DemonDuckOfDoom666 7d ago
I understand that, I meant is this common everywhere or just in America because I don’t think I’ve ever seen a video of a dog with cropped ears when the owner didn’t have an American accent.
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u/jobthrowwwayy1743 7d ago
There are definitely places other than america where people will preemptively dock the tail of a working dog (herding, hunting dogs, police/military dogs, etc) to prevent it from getting injured or caught on things. Some places where docking is illegal have an exemption for working dogs. But I’m not sure there’s great evidence working dogs actually injure their tails often enough that we should be cutting all of them off, it seems like overkill tbh
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u/ShuttlecockShshKebob 7d ago
We had a dalmatian & we didn't dock his tail & he smacked it on everything. It was like a whip & it was constantly bleeding from it being unconsciously smacked on walls, etc. It's called a "happy tail" & they sell vet tape (essentially athletic tape) to keep it covered. I love the name, but I'm afraid that if any crime is ever committed in this house, the luminol blood splatter spray will light up every wall under 3 feet tall.
Also, RIP Dommy, he was just a "big dumb goofy dog," but we loved him for 12 years!! (He's been gone a good amount of time, but damn he was a good old boy)
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u/OmegianLord 7d ago
I’ve met dogs with whip tail that make other things bleed when they wag. Very friendly, very cute, but they gave me a few bruises on my legs.
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u/demortada 7d ago
It's certainly common in the U.S. for people to have dogs modified immediately after birth. People will give you all sorts of BS reasons but I and many others are disgusted by the practice.
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u/Turpitudia79 7d ago
It disgusts me and makes me very sad to see. Dogs are perfect the way they are intended to be!!
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u/queefiest 7d ago
It’s breed standard in North America, the kennel clubs push these practices, it’s sick
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u/DemonDuckOfDoom666 7d ago
Honestly I don’t think I’ve seen a Doberman IRL either as they aren’t a popular breed here but I’ve seen dozens of Great Danes and not one of them had cropped ears.
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u/Aetra 7d ago
My mum has a Great Dane x Irish Wolfhound. He’s the easily the biggest, meanest looking dog in our house but he’s the friendliest goofball.
It’s the little border collie you have to look out for. Her nickname is raptor because she stalks you and hides in the garden to jump out like the Clever Girl raptor from Jurassic Park.
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u/Winter-Plankton-6361 7d ago
Great Dane x Irish Wolfhound
Good grief, how does it fit in your house???
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u/Aetra 7d ago
His nickname is actually dumb-horse because he isn’t very bright and we thought he’d be huge, but he grew up to be much smaller than anyone expected. We asked our vet do a DNA test to check for health issues and she did a breed one as well and turns out he also has some bull terrier in his lineage so it kept him smaller than expected.
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u/Owlfeathers15 7d ago
Raptor sounds so mischievous 😂
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u/Aetra 7d ago
Oh, she’s a freaking demon with the stuff she gets into, but then she does her little head tilt with her big brown eyes and wags her big fan tail and its like the neuralyzer from Men in Black.
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u/Owlfeathers15 7d ago
Oh yes the head tilt is their superpower for cuteness and they know just when to use it for maximal effectiveness 🤭
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u/AwesomeDragon101 7d ago
Currently playing as an awakened Doberman in a DnD campaign, he’s currently like a year and a half old and fully grown but I’m basically playing him as a big puppy. And he is natural, making this character made me look up uncropped/undocked dobermans for art reference and tokens and my god I love them.
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u/I_need_a_backiotomy 7d ago
That sounds awesome! I’ve been trying to get a local DND group going for 3 years now, but nobody is willing to commit.
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u/chinchenping 7d ago
Giant dachshund!
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u/Dave-the-Flamingo 7d ago
This is what my mini-Dachshund sees when she looks in a mirror hence why she always barks at the big dogs.
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u/Other_Cat5134 7d ago
Beautiful dog, ear and tail docking should be illegal!
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u/lady-ish 7d ago
Ear cropping is illegal in the UK and has been for a long time.
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u/Snoo_63187 7d ago
Can we also ban inbreeding of dogs? The French Bulldog and the Pug are the first two that come to mind as prime examples.
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u/bmobitch 7d ago
they’re not inbred anymore. i mean, they absolutely are, bc that’s how they were made, but they don’t mate relatives to continue the breed. the fucked up parts of them are basically the point. it’s the breed standard. apparently people like the faces of dogs so smushed they can barely breathe.
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u/Snoo_63187 7d ago
My aunt and uncle have a French Bulldog. When my Golden Retriever plays with it the little guy can only run around for 5 minutes before it falls over and almost passed out from lack of oxygen. I'll admit Goldens have become cancer magnets over the years most likely from irresponsible breeding but at least they can still act like a healthy dog up till the big C gets them.
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u/wildcat2015 7d ago
Seriously, my friend and his fiancée got one and it's just sad, the thing is so loud when trying to breathe, always sounds like it's choking on itself
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u/itchy_bitchy_spider 7d ago
My ex was a veterinary technician and she told me that they didn't have to sedate French bulldogs when putting tubes down their throat because they calmed down purely from being able to breathe properly for the first time ever
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u/bmobitch 7d ago
yeah, cancer sucks but at least they’re not suffering every second of every day their whole lives as their standard existence. i work at a vet and we have pugs that quite literally will turn blue from the stress if they’re there for more than maybe 30 minutes. there are 2 pug siblings that are not allowed to come later than 2 hours before close in case we literally need to give them oxygen and fluids and things because they get so messed up when they come.
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u/Snoo_63187 7d ago
At what point does it become animal abuse?
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u/Strike_Thanatos 7d ago
There are some breeders who are working to reintroduce the original Frenchie snout to a larger population of Frenchies. I'd say that breeding them outside of that project is irresponsible nowadays.
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u/Chubbybellylover888 7d ago
That's good.
I went looking for how dog breeds look compared to 100 years ago and some of the differences are stark.
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u/ericbyo 7d ago
I think it's one of those things that people in the future will look down on us for.
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u/ElectroSpider_2000 7d ago
Labs too. My family has had 5 of them and all but one died of a spleen tumor. The only one who didn’t was a lab mix and he lasted until the ripe old age of 15.
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u/xlusciniolax 7d ago
Both of the goldens I grew up were put down a couple years apart because they had each gotten cancer. They made it to 13, and 15. They were super playful right up until the end. I miss those fluffy goofs. My daughter likes to look at pictures of them, and show them to our corgi.
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u/whatcenturyisit 7d ago
I saw a French bulldog (or pug, I don't know dog breeds much) with a normal snouts last year for the first time and was so surprised at how foot it looked ! At the beginning I was even confuse like "something isn't quite usual about that dog". Nope he was actually able to breathe and that was good.
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u/Odd_Suggestion_5897 7d ago
The gene pool of most KC approved dogs is so small that effectively they are all inbred, regardless of how related they are. The Kennel Club and their ‘standards’ are responsible for disgusting, premeditated and preventable cruelty
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u/bmobitch 7d ago
yeah i mean like i said, breeds as a whole were made by inbreeding so they’re literally inbred, but most are not continuing to inbreed.
edit: and agreed about the kennel club. low german shepherd backs, brachycephalic snouts, ear cropping and tail docking, excessive amounts of skin that cause infections and discomfort….it’s all disgusting
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u/Odd_Suggestion_5897 7d ago
Ah, I missed that second sentence on your post, I get so pissed off on this subject, my apologies!
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u/bmobitch 7d ago
no worries! if there was ever something to be pissed off about it’s forcibly (since a lot of these breeds can’t mate or give natural birth) reproducing animals that suffer for our own visual preferences…
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u/Odd_Suggestion_5897 7d ago
I don’t even understand the visual appeal- to me, beautiful is healthy and by and large, wolf-ish shaped. I ran 4 miles with my 14 and a half year old collie this morning. He used to run much further with my husband, but now he tires me out, and if I missed a Saturday run he’d be gutted. That’s one happy dog, the deliberate breeding of dogs for a life of suffering and inactivity is so messed up. And they would call themselves dog lovers.
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u/Aetra 7d ago
I never understood the love of smooshed face dogs. I don’t think they’re cute and honestly just feel sorry for them.
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u/bmobitch 7d ago
i don’t think they’re cute either. especially once you hear them, kinda ruins any visual cuteness. the congestion and snoring and wheezing and struggling to breathe…. lots of them dripping constantly saliva from their severe underbites not even allowing their jaws to close all the way.
even if i found them cute, i would never buy one. i don’t need to support cruelty. but i would never buy a dog in general
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u/Aetra 7d ago
Yeah, my old coworker has French bulldogs and when she’d show me videos of them it just made me sad because all I could think was “How is this cute? They can’t even breathe”
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u/fallingintothestars 7d ago
I saw someone mention the deformity of English bulldogs and someone commented ‘once you have an English bulldog you’ll realize why you can never live without them!’ Blows my mind
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u/ChiliTacos 7d ago
The breed in the picture are almost as inbred as the average pug. When tested against other dogs for one research project, the Doberman was the single most inbred breed.
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u/anonbcmymainisold 7d ago
I took my pup to the vet for routine vaccination and a mild yeast infection in the ear, and someone brought in a maybe 6 month old pug. The poor thing was wheezing and snoring and using accessory muscles to breathe, and other pet owners were laughing and Aww’ing at it. I wanted to cry.
It’s not fucking cute, it’s horrifying
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u/Mini-Nurse 7d ago
Tail docking has been mostly illegal for about 10 years too, though it's still allowed in special circumstances it is not done routinely anymore.
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u/kinezumi89 7d ago
Wow I had no idea, thanks for sharing. I assumed tail and ear cropping were equally bad
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u/DanceWorth2554 7d ago
I always used to, until I met someone with two retired and happy greyhounds. The poor things had bandages around their tails so much because they’d wallop them on shit while wagging. The house would look like a crime scene and these gorgeous goofballs would still be wagging - docking was the kinder thing in the end!
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u/PossessionAshamed372 7d ago
Yeah a lot of larger breeds like pits labs mastiffs and so forth have no pain receptors in their tails but a lot of blood vessels so tail breaks are very common and can be dangerous
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u/ResoluteClover 7d ago
We had a mastiff for a while. She was so happy there was a trail of blood at about 2.5 feet around the apartment.
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u/paperwasp3 7d ago
Our German Shepherd Charlie would clear the coffee table with his tail wagging.
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u/darthvadercake 7d ago
I would say tail cropping should be done if medically necessary at recommendation by a vet, but not done by breeders to puppies.
Happy tail syndrome is absolutely a thing and some dogs need it, but there aren't a lot of breeds where all dogs have that exact issue. Some dogs do, some don't. And when it becomes a problem, like in your example, cropping it can really help.
Dogs use their tail for body language though, so if you have a dog who doesn't injure their tail (this is the majority) you should leave it on.
I say this as an owner of a VERY enthusiastic labrador who loves to do tippy taps and other displays of pure joy, who hasn't injured his tail ever. I grew up with labradors and same thing. Even though retrievers are like, prime candidates for happy tail syndrome.
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u/SuperRette 7d ago
Cropping the tail should still only be performed when it's been proven to be necessary. Doing so as a "preventative" measure is simply justifying a practice that might be needed, and gives an excuse to people who will do so simply for aesthetic reasons, while arguing disingenuously they did it for their dog's health.
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u/Column_A_Column_B 7d ago edited 7d ago
Is this a perception issue?
If cropping the tail preventatively is usually beneficial for the breed why do we care if it's done for aesthetic reasons?
edit: The assumption I made that this could be considered usually beneficial in some breeds cases seems incorrect. So I would like to retract my suggestion that it's a perception issue.
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u/darthvadercake 7d ago edited 7d ago
It's not always beneficial.
Dogs use their tail for body language, they don't communicate as well without the tail fully intact. Tails breaking or getting injured is definitely a thing, I believe it's called happy tail syndrome, but it's not a universal thing that happens across all dogs of that breed. Dogs across several different breeds can be afflicted and many dogs in those same breeds won't get those issues ever.
It's fine to take steps to fix an issue once it's diagnosed, but having a dog undergo a process that requires them to undergo surgery, heal, and then be somewhat limited in body language, shouldn't be done unless you know if it's even an issue for that dog.
Edit to clarify: that last sentence means it's fine to do surgery once your dog has been diagnosed with the issue - it's not if your dog doesn't have happy tail syndrome.
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u/idle_isomorph 7d ago
It is illegal where i live in canada, and you wont find a vet who will do it. But unfortunately people still have cut dogs from elsewhere. And worse, they still dominate the dog show circuit, which pisses me off. Look at how regal the good boi in OP's pic is!
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u/IcyDev1l 7d ago
I had an all natural dobie growing up, but she got so excited when our parents got home that she’d open up her tail on the wall and spray blood everywhere everyday. We finally had it docked when she actually broke it. Sometimes tail docking serves a purpose, but that bs with the ears is just whack.
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u/rosetta-stxned 7d ago
tail cropping is sometimes recommended by vets for dogs that break their tail often
source: my corso
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u/C_M_Writes 7d ago
God I love these dogs when they’re not docked. They just look like the big goofballs they really are.
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u/IndependentLie9694 7d ago
Having grown up around these in the 90's with crops and docks seeing them with floppy ears and tails always seems kind of goofy looking. Not in a bad way or anything. They seem like they're about to tell you a stupid knock knock joke.
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u/Squrton_Cummings 7d ago
I love Dobies and hate ear cropping but I can't deny they are totally goofy looking with natural ears. It just exaggerates how undersized their heads are compared to their bodies. Super deep chest and then this ridiculous tiny beagle head on top. I used to have a Dobie-Rotti mix and the big ol' Rotti blockhead genes evened it out and she had perfect proportions.
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u/azizen 7d ago
Oh you don't have any pictures? I'm super curious about that mix!
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u/TinySpookyGhost 7d ago
Here's my childhood Dobe/Rott mix
He's about 10 there, energy slowing down but not his appetite!
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u/Squrton_Cummings 7d ago
Don't have any pics handy, that was over 20 years ago. She was a red doberman/rotti mix so she looked like this but with a head that was bigger and less pointy (and no cropped ears). And she had one blue eye. Very pretty girl.
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u/Effurlife13 7d ago
Ear cropping does wonders to make them go from looking derpy to looking like the devil's dog. I love the way it looks, but I can't agree with ear cropping and wish it was phased out completely.
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u/Illustrious_Two_5385 7d ago
I interviewed at a vet office when I lived in New Orleans 2 years ago and they asked me what I think of ear and tail docking. I told them I think it is cruel and heinous and shouldn't be done and they told me that "it's better for us to do it than people to do it at home" and I didn't get the job.
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u/laviniademortalium 7d ago
That sounded like they wanted you to fail. What a weird double edged sword that was. You might've dodged a bullet.
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u/FullofContradictions 7d ago
Sounds like they like justifying things to themselves in order to make money.
Though I can get on board with tail docking in some very limited situations. My friend had a lab mix who had a very long, skinny tail with no fat at all... He'd wag his tail so hard he'd actually break it when it hit things. After the second time they came home to their entire house covered wall to wall in blood spatters because he hit the corner of a wall with his waggy tail and then continued to wag it while bleeding profusely, they went to find a vet to dock the tail. He had a very waggy nub after that and spent so much less time in cones or with bandages bugging him.
But just doing it for cosmetic reasons? Gross. I just don't get it.
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u/Illustrious_Two_5385 7d ago edited 7d ago
For valid medical purposes, it should be amputated, of course. If that's the right answer in the situation which all vets and owners have to decide off the science and morals that are relevant to each case. However to cut off tails, ears, and claws off a healthy animal for no reason other than the owner asked for it because it looks better to them or makes their life easier they don't deserve a pet.
Back when docking became a thing people used it for fighting purposes. Without a tail or ears there is less for another animal to get to. Secondary beliefs were that it prevented rabies (I'm assuming based off the same thought for fighting. Less to bite. Less chance of rabies) and that it made dogs faster (also based off fighting I would think). I'm not talking just about dog on dog fights either. Many people used them for fighting off other predators from property and for hunting. Many livestock dogs are also at risk for injuries with their tail due to the job they have however I don't believe it should be removed as a preventative measure in a working dog. Humans have jobs that can cause injuries to limbs as well and we don't recommend cutting off that pinky before it breaks.
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u/JRocFuhsYoBih 7d ago edited 7d ago
My first dog I got as an adult was a Rottweiler and I refused to dock his tail. Surprisingly turned a lot of heads and got a lot of questions, more than I would’ve imagined.
Mutilating a dog in the name of aesthetics is fucked and should be illegal
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u/xfaux13 7d ago
Whoa! Never seen an undocked doberman, beautiful dog
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u/Kristyyyyyyy 7d ago
It’s weird; I’m Australian, and this is just… what a Doberman looks like.
I think I remember seeing a couple that had been docked, probably back in the 80s, but now they all look like this. I saw this photo and thought “this is a pretty boring post, that’s just a dog” and then I remembered that some places still allow them to be mutilated.
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u/InadmissibleHug 7d ago
Yeah, exactly. It’s been illegal to crop or dock here for decades.
All these comments about the necessity of it just seem weird to me. Our dogs manage just fine with their natural ears and tails.
No cat declawing either!
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u/TransFemby 7d ago
Frick Im Australian too and just googled Doberman and saw the ears that are cut to be pointed?!? What the fuck is wrong with people?
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u/Yawrant 7d ago
Docking/cropping of tail and ears is illegal in many countries, as it should.
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u/lady-ish 7d ago
I've had three Dobies and never cropped their ears, its cosmetic and absolutely unnecessarily cruel. Tails are usually docked before weaning, and in all honesty it's much more a preventative move than not - Dobie tails are very vulnerable and easily injured just by dogs being dogs. Based only anecdotally on my experience with the breed, I would not support tail docking if the inevitability of serious injury wasn't the case.
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u/JokerWhiskey 7d ago
People who want to crop the ears of their dogs should have their ears cropped first. Then see what they think about the idea
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u/catssandwhatnot 7d ago
People that dock and pin will tell you why it’s “necessary”. They brainwash themselves to prioritize aesthetic over the suffering the animal endures while they are subjected to the cruelty for the owners sake.
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u/ctaylor0128 7d ago
That is something that should be illegal. Cropping ears and docking tails. All to make the dog look “cool”. The owners should be punished. I love seeing this pic
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u/gcbassu 7d ago
I previously had a dobie which was docked because my parents got him when I was 7. Thankfully, I knew better when I got my dobie puppy last year. His natural ears and tail make him look like a big goofball, which he totally is. Dog tax: https://postimg.cc/HcMyjdxq
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u/CrochetNerd_ 7d ago
Hate that people saying docking and cropping. Call it what it is - cutting parts of their limbs off. Its disfiguring and dismembering.
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u/madame_ray_ 7d ago
My friends Doberman had undocked ears and tail. She was a lovely, silly girl and her ears were so soft.
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u/CherryCherry5 7d ago
Gosh I love them. And Rottweilers. Their coats and colouring are so gorgeous and glossy.
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u/killerkozlowski 7d ago
Tail docking and ear cropping are both illegal in Australia. All dobermans look like that here now.
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u/Jolly_Quiet2196 7d ago
-insert second hand reasoning why the dog should be mutilated due to "health" concerns-
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u/liaisontosuccess 7d ago
wow, way less intimidating looking.
still wouldn't want to come to fist a cuffs with him though.
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u/Childofglass 7d ago
My girl is all natural - her tail curls more than the one in the photo- and when she’s playing and snarling you can see just how big and pointy her teeth are.
She looks sweet right up until she isn’t.
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u/Jcrollin06 7d ago
Dad had a 95lb "fawn" dobie (rescue), natural ears, docked tail, total sweetheart
Never seen a dog get sadder than when two kids (idk 5-10ish) came running up, my dad introduced Bear to them.. pets, doggo kisses, kids' mom says "oh, weimaraner are just the sweetest things" "oh, ma'am he's a Doberman"
Mom GRABS kids away
Bear didn't freak out, just looked sad af
RIP buddy, miss you 💕
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u/Violator361 7d ago
This is literally the first time I’ve ever seen this in my life and I’m 39 wtf